"Its okay cos Danny did it worse"

So you get to arbitrarily decide what words are homophobic and unacceptable.

I see gay people calling each other such words. Are they homophobic and unacceptable when gay people use them?

That isn't what I said.

hahaha yes it was, youve said it all night.

So look at the context within the tweets, and try several words to see which ones could replace the problematic one :evilgrin:.

Try these, replace :evilgrin: with neutral word like "late", positive word like "batman", or negative word, such as "fu ckatard"

Which one do you think fits intended meaning best? So clearly he used the word :evilgrin: as an insult, and that's the context, the context is damning.

And I get it, he likes his friend, it's all banter, yadda yadda yadda, but if calling a some girl a manbeast is meant as insult, then all manbests are gonna be "hey, hang on a minute..."

Same goes for Danny's tweet, but in his case, it's unclear if his buddy is gay indeed. If he is gay, then Danny called him gay, which he is, no harm done. But if his friend is being called :evilgrin: as an insult for not giving him a call, despite actually being straight, well then, if it's used as an insult, then Danny clearly thinks it's insulting to be gay.

Marc is guilty of Homophobia now then? Marc would be the first person to watch Danny & Christen get it on, and not care, also ask Christen in the morning how was it last night with Daddy Danny?

That would make sense if I was a fan of marc but I'm not.

I don't like either of them. But seeing that Danny is worse is obvious to all neutral observers.

no the dictionary and common opinion does.

The fact that you disagree is so ****ing gross.

Out of interest if we swapped out the homophobic slur for the N word, would you defend it if others called it a racist tweet?

Marc called himself a homosexual a few nights ago.
Would homophobic people use it about theirselves?

OP is clutching at straws, Marc would probably be least offended by sexual preferences. I think he has done striping in gay bars in Dublin also.

Im just posting facts

Well, I am one of the people who think Emily's ejection was disgraceful. So take what you want from that.

Let me ask you this:

If a black rapper releases a record with the N word in it. Why shouldn't I, as a white person, sing it?

Do you get to tell me what songs I can sing now?

Honestly, I think this is enough to get your ban.
Racism and homophobia is never okay, to use racist or homophobic slurs is never okay.

It is a disgrace that you disagree and you are willing to publicly share it on a forum.

I haven't said anything of the kind.

The fact you want to "get my ban" speaks volumes though.

I think Emily's ejection was a disgrace. As do many people.

I hate the way people queue up to take offence at the slightest thing.

I don't view Marc's tweet as homophobic. I don't view danny's that way either. If you think that I should be banned for that then quite frankly I think you are getting hysterical.

Just put me on ignore if you don't want to read my posts. If it makes it easier for you then I will ignore you.

Um. I asked you how you would have felt if Marc used the N word, and you defended both yours and Emilys right to use it freely.
This is simply disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Please stop lying.

I asked you if it is wrong for me to sing a commercial released song with the N word in it. Is it wrong?

And while we are about it, are the words you deem homophobic still homophobic when gay people use them?

If the questions are too difficult then please feel free to put me on ignore.

If you can't then say the word and I will put you on my ignore list and I will actually stick to it and not read your posts.

I don't know why you are getting so stressed over this and trying to get me banned.:shrug:

He/she was talking about a rap song...Are rap songs racist now?

Emily sang a song. That is all she did.

If people can release songs with those words in then throwing someone out of a BB house at 3am for singing the song is utterly ludicrous.

Yes, they were very sensitive about it after the shilpa race row but I thought emily was treated abysmally.

I also believe is these racist and homophobic words are so terrible then black and gay people should not be saying them.

but he kinda failed to use either racial, or homophobic slur in his post so no grounds for ban I think. He also seems to be fond of both gays and other races, just thinks he can call them same as they call them selves.

One of my gay friends is very adamant that usage of homophobic slur is best thing ever - I'm from regressive country, lots of homophobes here, and they actually beat people up, full on assaults in public when they know the person is gay, every gay pride ended in blood except for last one, where they actually didn't update anyone there'd be a gay pride walk, on wendsday in 11 am when all the HP were at work ><

Anyway, my friend tells me when someone uses slur he knows to be careful in front of that person he'd rather be "slured" at, then be beaten up.

In normal countries that argument is pretty much removed, but there you have it, lots of it depends on lots of it. It's way more important for people to be acceptant of the fact that not everyone is like them, then to use pre-approved nouns in given circumstances. Like how you don't use slur but are very judgy of him for having different opinion to yours :shrug:

As far as I'm concerned, I'm pretty sure that in 50 years time we'll have completely different set of forbidden words while these will be back in regular usage but it is a good idea to stay away from them for now. After all blacks have been first enslaved then discriminated against for way too long (someplaces even today), I don't think it's that much of a problem for whites to give them the right to discriminate by usage of that word (we can use it, but you can't) for a while. Just as long as we don't get to feel like equals again. One more time, whites killed, raped, enslaved, burned, tortured, and discriminated against black, and blacks are asking whites not to use one word. And same logic applies to gays, feminists, atheists, and whoever else is being discriminated against.

Come on. Anyone can do it.

I am concerned at why withano is so keen to get me banned.

It is all rather odd. Almost as if I am besting him in debates.

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And racist too...

https://twitter.com/OnceBBFan/status...767296/photo/1

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Why are we digging up 2 year old tweets?

it's funny, cause they are really hard to find using advanced search (so far I haven't managed to find not one of them, both for Marc and Danny, and all we see are pictures, rather than links - are any of them even real?)

It wouldn't surprise me if they aren't. Though I did just provide a link myself I find it all rather distasteful. But Marc's fans did start doing all this so it was bound to escalate. Helen seems to do a lot of this sort of thing as well I've noticed.

Problem is though that nothing really nasty has been found on marc. Danny's stuff is in a different league IMO.

The tweet in my sig was this year and is outrageous,

Well, I've just posted one example of Marc using a racial slur.

Two years ago. He may have changed since then.

Perhaps he was provoked with such slurs. Do you have the conversation in context?

To me, this appears as though Marc is tweeting it in a non-serious context, hence the usage of 'mate' in there.

Honestly, I'm done now. I have a firm idea of your opinion on homophobic slurs and racial slurs and I think that your opinion is ****ing gross.

Sometimes words are offensive.. obviously. I can only imagine that you're, middle-classed, cisgendered, heterosexual and white... And actually you've even said in this thread that 2 of the above are true. You obviously have no idea what discrimination feels like and you've made it clear that you have a lack of empathy for those that do.

You've made several posts in this thread and others which defend Marcs behaviour by comparing it to Dannys and its awful that you assume it makes either of them okay. You've also said that its okay to use the N word because other people use it more often and its okay to use the f word because some homosexuals say it to their friends. Your rationale behind excusing disgusting behaviour is something that I will never wrap my mind around. It is disgusting. Not only are you generalising all gay and black people by claiming that they typically use these words and none of them are offended by them, you believe that neither you or them are ever in the wrong for doing so.

I hope this post will give you some sort of perspective about how your words in this thread appeared to be written but I fear it will just spur you on to look for more of the attention that you are clearly craving.

I don't think marc means anything in a nasty way.

These individual tweets taken out of context tell us nothing. If we see the whole context then we would probably see the other person tweeting similar things to marc.

Is rap music racist if white/asian people hear & sing it if it includes slur?

Are LGBT members bigots if they use certain language?

This is being blown out of proportion...

I'm disabled. I know exactly what discrimination feels like. I just don't want to play the victim and feign offence at every little thing that anyone says.

Now, because you are trying to make this so personal, and because you have asked me to, I am going to put you on my ignore list.

Toodle pip.

Withano you lucky bastard how have you managed that :joker:

By saying someone is indifferent to racism & homophobia...

This entire topic is becoming toxic.

My recent post wasn't in reply to just one of theirs, it was the way the came across throughout the thread, and several others. It was disgusting and unsettling. I'm not going to find all of the posts that this member has used which appeared incredibly nasty and I don't expect you to search for them but in this thread and others, the member has defended simply disgraceful behaviour and consistantly used the examples to apply to their own life. The user quoted me at least 100 times in the last week, genuinely not exaggerating, in these posts, I personally believed the user actively attempted to offend either myself or others and I have found their behaviour in this thread alone to be no different. Hopefully Thriceshy was true to their word and put me on their ignore list because I have lost my patience with their blunt a cruel attitude.

:joker: I'm relieved, but credit where its due, thriceshy can take a hint.

These are the pertinent questions and I doubt anyone will answer them.

How dare somebody release a song with a word in it then cry racism when somebody sings the song, just because they are white?:shrug:

The PC brigade are ruining this country and they ruined BB years ago.

I don't really know about others but from what I see this forum is full of funny people with opinions that make me laugh about BB & the HM's.
Not everyone can agree, that is the joys of a ignore button I suppose...

If people are violent or actively being racist/homophobe then there is a problem.
But when innocent people who for the majority of their life are law abiding citizens are acused of horrible things it is injustice.
Or when something is said in jest or provoke thought.

I don't think Marc is a homophobe/racist
I don't think Danny is a bully/sexist