Jesus ***ing christ at this entire thing. I'm at an absolute loss for words to describe how I feel about the commons. A shower of snide, petty school boys playing games and it couldn't be any clearer. How are we still putting up with this excuse for "government"? HOW?

That's right... get angry TS :fist::fist::fist: ANGER is active, depression is passive.

I am Glad the Old Fool
was Ejected

That was a Set Up



He is a Old Fool

Whatever else may have come about from it, whether he was right or wrong to refuse to withdraw the comment.

He pulled even greater attention to it by being told to leave the Commons,with a very sad faced Speaker to have to tell him to do so and the apparent cheering from the govt benches at an 80 year old man being forced to leave the chamber just for what he said.

Brought back memories of the elderly man ejected from a Labour Conference some years back, which was also thought shameful and pathetic.
I think with the wider audience and getting on the national news reports too, the sympathy here will be more with Dennis Skinner than the smug looking Conservative front bench.

You'd think Skinner would appreciate protocol after all his time in the Commons rather than play the naughty kid in the schoolyard role

The good thing that came out of this is, lots of people are talking about it. That little outburst had no end of conversation going on within my workplace today; even people who normally have zero interest in politics were taking interest.

Just his normal attention seeking attitude. He does not improve with age.
More Bellend than legend.

Labour has, according to the Mirror http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...arebar_twitter published the following ten point tax plan:

1 An immediate public inquiry “to establish the harm done to the UK’s tax revenue and consider detailed proposals for reform”. These could include forcing firms and trusts to publish more information.

2. Change the register of MPs’ interests forcing members to publish all offshore holdings, no matter how small.

3. Create a ‘Specialised Tax Enforcement unit’ in HMRC, doubling the number of staff who scrutinise the affairs of the wealthiest individuals and firms.

4. Force foreign firms to list their owners and beneficiaries if they are bidding for public sector contracts.

5. Negotiate an EU deal forcing to multinational firms to file public reports on their dealings, country by country, and protecting whistleblowers.

6. Introduce a “General Anti-Avoidance Principle” and extend current rules to cover offshore abuses.

7. Crack down on accounting tricks, including telling courts to ignore “artificial steps” inserted in transactions to try and reduce tax.

8. Work with banks to find out more about who owns the companies and trusts they work with.

9. Introduce ‘strict minimum standards’ on transparency for crown dependencies and overseas territories like the British Virgin Islands – where more than 100,000 Panama Papers firms were based. That includes a public register of owners, directors, major shareholders and beneficial owners.

10. Draw up plans for a register of trusts which transfer trustees’ residence offshore and tax avoidance schemes involving trusts which are disclosed to the HMRC under the current law.

I think it is time Parliament was brought into the 21st century,it is perfectly fine to make insults to other MPs even leaders as to their dress sense, to even call them idiots as I believe the PM did as to Ed Balls on more than one occasion.

However the term dodgy was so out of order on this occasion that an MP of decades standing in the Commons in his 80s was told to leave, yet the word dodgy has been used many time to describe a dossier presented by a PM which seems acceptable.

People miss the point, Dennis Skinner made a point his way, he has often strayed from the dafter stricter parliamentary procedures.
Had it been passed over, it would have had no effect but the way it was handled by the Speaker in the end brought even greater attention to it and the issue in fact.

It will not have done Dennis Skinner any harm in the slightest and he will not lose a second of sleep worrying about it either.
Clearly he may have struck a raw nerve it seems with the term dodgy in my opinion.

yet these idiots are allowed to heckle scream and shout and make animals noises to silence questions and kill proper debate yet never get thrown out for it?

Exactly.
That is the biggest likely turn off too for most viewers when watching any House of Commons debates.

I literally can't watch them at all. 10 second clips infuriate me. A bunch of posh little boys sat on their mouldy old green benches, smirking and guffawing and bleating and yanking on their little willies... The embodiment of smugness, snideness and privilege. The entire thing is a national embarrassment. It makes me genuinely angry.

It doesn't need "some reform" it needs tearing to the ground and rebuilding from scratch.

I now think you are right,parliament really needs to be more democratic and far more representative of the multi party system we have and therefore the voters of all those parties too.

More accountability that is relevant and not just about arrogance a great deal of the time,more humility and true consensus on all sides being made the norm.

Yes Skinner was the First item
on Live USA Red Eye comedy Hour 3AM USA
8AM UK.