Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9853468)

I may well have used it describe James Jordan, his treatment of Gary Busey in CBB was just horrible. He and Dee at the time reminded me of the employees in one of those abusive mental care homes that sometimes get secretly filmed. I still have trouble looking at his face and am likely to switch off if hes on. However that is CBB. I have no idea who Aubrey is.

And you are rather missing the point. Which was why stronger posts like scum were fine on the thread while other relatively tame posts referring to Corbyn were deleted. Its about double standards not the word.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 9853456)

As a mod, though, and if there are all these members complaining about other members derailing threads with Corbyn mentions, why would you use language that is pretty well going to inflame members to respond in a similar vein? You aren't stupid. The word 'scum' isn't really the issue for me, it's the way felt you could use it and then delete posts when you got comeback. You should be setting an example, not using your position in an blatantly unfair way.

It's saying 'Ha, I can say what I like, and so can anyone else who wants to name call Ree Moggs, but if you say anything about Corbyn, I'll zap your posts'!!!

Because of your position as a mod, you got away with doing that, and its disgusting.

You also said that mentioning Corbyn was off topic and not relevant, and it was not. A critical post about a possible future PM should be open to comparative critical posts about his opposite in the opposition party. To say otherwise is censorship.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9853468)

I may well have used it describe James Jordan, his treatment of Gary Busey in CBB was just horrible. He and Dee at the time reminded me of the employees in one of those abusive mental care homes that sometimes get secretly filmed. I still have trouble looking at his face and am likely to switch off if hes on. However that is CBB. I have no idea who Aubrey is.

And you are rather missing the point. Which was why stronger posts like scum were fine on the thread while other relatively tame posts referring to Corbyn were deleted. Its about double standards not the word.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9853469)

I explained my opinion that he is scum because of the way he voted against the interests of the vulnerable in favour of protecting his own interests and class in the thread itself, as a response to Brillo rather strangely accusing me of disliking him because he is white and educated? (I don't get it either) In a thread highlighting his dubious voting record no less. his voting history is common knowledge, you don't need an article, you just need google to find out the official voting histories of MPs.

1. You are entitled to call Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser, I'm entitled to call an MP scum, unless you're saying that I don't deserve an equal right to free speech as you do? Because you aren't arguing against what I said, you're arguing that I shouldn't have said it.

It's about you and the rest coming for me for 'inflammatory remarks; about a politician when you have a nine plus page thread calling Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser and 2. Brillo regularly uses her terms to insult people that think differently to her. Of course it's relevant because it highlights your 3. hypocrisy on the matter. It's okay for you and your friends to use the language you use but when it comes to me calling a politician scum which is ****ing tame compared to calling another a terrorist sympathiser, it's suddenly not okay. That is hypocritical no matter how you cut it.

What exactly do you know about the decisions I've made when it comes to moderating? You don't know anything you've just seen that I have an opposing opinion to you and you've taken that to mean that I can't be impartial although that logic makes no sense and it's based on nothing but a baseless assumption. I'd honestly say that I'm one of the most impartial moderatora on this website, when it comes to moderating people get the same treatment from me regardless of who they are, in fact I'm more prone to infracting friends then people I don't get on with so I completely resent what you said there and what you insinuated especially considering you haven't mentioned any other moderator who comments in debates and have strong opinions and I think that's proof that the issue is not with Moggs or Corbyn or the word 'Scum', it's because people have an issue with me. Always remember that no members aside from the mods are privy to the decisions we make, to make assumptions based on nothing and present them as arguments is pointless.

You might say you wouldn't be impressed with someone calling Corbyn scum but would you truly bring it up as you have here against me? Let's say, for example, Jet said that Corbyn is scum, would you try to pull her up on it like you did me? I don't think you would at all. You would remain silent at best. The problem about the remoaner stuff is that it's not just you, other people still say it and some of those people have gotten up in arms over me describing a politician they like as scum. It's hypocritical for them to take issue with me and it's hypocritical for you to call me out on saying 'scum' not about another member but about an MP in a thread about that said MP but not having a problem when your friends use, ahem, 'inflammatory language'

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9853501)

Ah, more jibes aimed at the fact that I'm a mod.

Nobody would be infracted or punished for saying that the subject of a thread (unless it was a forum member) was scum especially if they explained why, like I did. As Jack has mentioned, your friends have also used the word 'scum' to describe BB housemates. Not people making decisions that would lessen the quality of life for vulnerable people in the UK but z-list celebs on a reality TV show. Can you explain why that is okay but what I said isn't?

As for the deleted posts, did Vicky not post in this thread multiple times confirming that the posts deleted were as I said? Why are you trying to rewrite history to make out that I deleted posts because they were critical of me? Considering this thread has turned from the 'I hate Jeremy Corbyn' club to the 'I hate Dezzy' club in the last few pages, that's obviously not the case otherwise we'd have a lot of deleted posts in this topic alone.

A lot of your assumptions about my modding in this thread come from nothing more than your vehement dislike of me rather than anything factual.

You accused me of a lot in this thread and it's all directly from how you feel about me, not about my moderating, not about my opinions, it's about me. You suddenly aren't holding other moderators to the same standards you are trying to hold me to, you don't bring up the fact they are mods if they disagree with you in topics and I've seen other mods get into fiery issues without the accusations I have to deal with from the same people over and over.

It's okay to dislike me, I don't care if you do but don't try to drag me through the mud with baseless claims just because you don't like me. I ****ing reject that.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9853529)

1. No Dezzy I'm arguing that I had he same right to my opinion that you had to yours but you deleted my opinion. Even though I could argue your use of words was more aggressive than mine in that thread.

2. I am not Brillo, nor Brillo's keeper. I am talking about my posts being deleted. Not Brillo.

3. And so your resort to accusations and name calling. How would you know who I am friendly with or not? You don't know anything of the kind so don't presume. And again with the Brillo.

I don't mention any of the other Mods because they are fine. I don't think any of them have deleted my posts and any disagreements are dealt with civilly. None of the others feel the need to call me names like hypoceite, at least not to my face!

It was you who had a strong opinion then deleted my posts, not Vicky, or Naimh or James or anyone else. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9853377)

On the issue of the scum thing.

Does anybody that has taken issue with me calling a politician scum take issue with the fact that there's members accusing another politcian of being a terrorist sympathiser?

Would these people take issue if the thread was about Jeremy Corbyn and I called him scum? They wouldn't, they'd probably agree with me.

Lastly, it's been said that calling a politician scum is inflammatory but has anyone that's tried to come for me ever pulled up say, Brillo on her frequent uses of terms such as lefties, snowflakes and Remoaners? Why is what I said unacceptable yet you are all silent when one of your own uses apparently 'inflammatory language'?

I'll tell you why, because it's me, that's what the difference is here and it's completely hypocritical and until you can resolve those hypocrisies then I completely reject what you've said on the issue of me calling a politcian scum (and then explaining why afterwards, something that has been conveniently forgotten about in this thread).

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9853557)

But if you're going to make a big fuss about me calling an MP scum then why aren't you bothered about other members using way worse inflammatory language that is used to insult other members? That's the point I'm trying to make, you try to drag me over hot coals yet there's nothing but silence if someone else happened to do the same (let's be real calling someone a terrorist sympathiser is way worse than anything I said).

I've explained why your posts were deleted, Vicky backed that sentiment up, what more do you want?

Namecalling? Pointing out hypocrisy and explaining why it is hypocritical is not name calling.

Do you honestly think that I'm the only person who deletes your posts? Again, you know nothing about who moderates what so blaming me for it just because you dislike me is not logical.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9853601)

i will state my thoughts for what its worth, and its not a direct attack on anyone.

This is a left leaning forum, the majority are young members with left leaning views, some extreme left wing. In the run up to the GE, while things were said about Corbyn, the majority was attack upon attack at the conservative party. This I really don't mind because it reflects the membership and its good to debate. However, when a unilateral decision is made to protect a political side by deleting the views of perfectly valid posters, its wrong, and if that is going to be the forum policy, then i won't contribute to the debate, because it's not even and fair. So for me until this is cleared up, I shall stay well clear of any political threads. If rules are going to be applied to political debate, they should be applied fairly and evenly

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9853377)

On the issue of the scum thing.

Does anybody that has taken issue with me calling a politician scum take issue with the fact that there's members accusing another politcian of being a terrorist sympathiser?

Would these people take issue if the thread was about Jeremy Corbyn and I called him scum? They wouldn't, they'd probably agree with me.

Lastly, it's been said that calling a politician scum is inflammatory but has anyone that's tried to come for me ever pulled up say, Brillo on her frequent uses of terms such as lefties, snowflakes and Remoaners? Why is what I said unacceptable yet you are all silent when one of your own uses apparently 'inflammatory language'?

I'll tell you why, because it's me, that's what the difference is here and it's completely hypocritical and until you can resolve those hypocrisies then I completely reject what you've said on the issue of me calling a politcian scum (and then explaining why afterwards, something that has been conveniently forgotten about in this thread).

Originally Posted by jet (Post 9853613)

I totally agree with this, and I'll do the same meanwhile and steer clear.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9853601)

i will state my thoughts for what its worth, and its not a direct attack on anyone.

This is a left leaning forum, the majority are young members with left leaning views, some extreme left wing. In the run up to the GE, while things were said about Corbyn, the majority was attack upon attack at the conservative party. This I really don't mind because it reflects the membership and its good to debate. However, when a unilateral decision is made to protect a political side by deleting the views of perfectly valid posters, its wrong, and if that is going to be the forum policy, then i won't contribute to the debate, because it's not even and fair. So for me until this is cleared up, I shall stay well clear of any political threads. If rules are going to be applied to political debate, they should be applied fairly and evenly

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9854256)

..the thing is though, who are ‘they’ that would be given exactly what they wanted..?..it’s often said..’this is where the cause of members not wanting to post on SD is’...but that ‘cause’ isn’t a fixed thing, its what an individual thinks it is and where the issues lie...over time I’ve had private conversations about why a person feels put off from posting in SD and those conversations have all differed in their reasons, although some have been similar...and some members even saying, oh I’m off now because ‘that group’ or that member is ‘shutting down’ and it’s just not worth it etc..and some would rather discuss topics by PM, rather than in a thread atm for the reasons they have which also can be different...but ‘that group’ or ‘that member’ is so interchangeable as well, depending on perceptions...so far as modding is concerned, we must be a nightmare ..:love:...and I do totally agree with Dezzy in the ‘do we only take issue because of the person’, who we might personally just not feel any connection of thoughts with or conveyance of thoughts whatsoever...anyways, none of that’s helpful but what I wanted to say is...jet, you’re pretty amazing, you know that..?..:love:...you felt a potential ‘pack’ in the thread vein toward Dezzy might develop...which you immediately ‘withdrew’ from having any part of...I think I like you a lot actually..:laugh:..(...btw jet, Dezzy is pretty amazing as well and a great and devoted moderator also ..)...

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9854065)

Me too.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9854256)

..the thing is though, who are ‘they’ that would be given exactly what they wanted..?..it’s often said..’this is where the cause of members not wanting to post on SD is’...but that ‘cause’ isn’t a fixed thing, its what an individual thinks it is and where the issues lie...over time I’ve had private conversations about why a person feels put off from posting in SD and those conversations have all differed in their reasons, although some have been similar...and some members even saying, oh I’m off now because ‘that group’ or that member is ‘shutting down’ and it’s just not worth it etc..and some would rather discuss topics by PM, rather than in a thread atm for the reasons they have which also can be different...but ‘that group’ or ‘that member’ is so interchangeable as well, depending on perceptions...so far as modding is concerned, we must be a nightmare ..:love:...and I do totally agree with Dezzy in the ‘do we only take issue because of the person’, who we might personally just not feel any connection of thoughts with or conveyance of thoughts whatsoever...anyways, none of that’s helpful but what I wanted to say is...jet, you’re pretty amazing, you know that..?..:love:...you felt a potential ‘pack’ in the thread vein toward Dezzy might develop...which you immediately ‘withdrew’ from having any part of...I think I like you a lot actually..:laugh:..(...btw jet, Dezzy is pretty amazing as well and a great and devoted moderator also ..)...

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9854287)

The thing with Dezzy’s comments is that he himself is quick to take issue because of the person - something that has not gone unnoticed by others in a thread on many occasions. He is quick to dish it out but not so keen to be on the receiving end of it it seems. It is not nice for anyone on the receiving end - something maybe he should think about before being so quick to give it.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9854285)

..I have to say as well, I do find it personally quite heartbreaking with jet, when his personal experiences and pain are so obvious in ‘anti Corbyn’ posts...and he’s asked for ‘proof’ when that ‘proof’ is right there in everything he writes of his thoughts...and I do understand the need for ‘absolute proof’ also...but there are so many of us who have shared painful, emotional experiences in our lives over time and we can all relate and we can all feel and we do relate and we do feel... but ‘proof’ isn’t always asked for on other topics beyond Jeremy Corbyn...the ‘lack of objectivity’ as it were, isn’t always attached to and applied equally either...

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9854285)

..I have to say as well, I do find it personally quite heartbreaking with jet, when his personal experiences and pain are so obvious in ‘anti Corbyn’ posts...and he’s asked for ‘proof’ when that ‘proof’ is right there in everything he writes of his thoughts...and I do understand the need for ‘absolute proof’ also...but there are so many of us who have shared painful, emotional experiences in our lives over time and we can all relate and we can all feel and we do relate and we do feel... but ‘proof’ isn’t always asked for on other topics beyond Jeremy Corbyn...the ‘lack of objectivity’ as it were, isn’t always attached to and applied equally either...

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9854293)

...but then all of us are quick to dish it out but not so keen on receiving, Brillo..:laugh:...I mean, our faults make us human and they’re there in all of us...it just feels, and quite often actually to me...that it’s more of a dash it’s Dezzy thing, as opposed to any other moderator who may sometimes be open to criticism also...I hate this whole ‘hypocrisy’ vein of thought anyway in terms of the forum specifically because we’re all hypocrites, each and every one of us...because we’re human and one size doesn’t fit all in every topic or individual stories we tend to discuss...anyways, I must go and start my day, Brillo..

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9854313)

Jet is a girl :fist:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9854304)

To be fair Ammi, I think most people have been sympathetic to jet's experiences. I know I have and have said as much, and I've never seen people ask him to prove his OWN experiences or provide proof to justify his OWN feelings about Corbyn. However, on top of his own personal feelings, jet can become quite frustrated / annoyed when other people don't join him in his feelings about Corbyn... and that's where people might express a need for some sort of more concrete evidence before making their own minds up.

I mean - I personally was prompted to look at Corbyn more critically due to his posts and now don't particularly like the man... but I still can't find evidence of the more extreme things.

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9854313)

Jet is a girl :fist:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9854318)

Microaggression!

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9854314)

I do agree with much of that Ammi and agree we are all hypocrites at one time or another because as you say we all come with the flaws that come with being a human being.

But as someone who has felt singled-out by Dezzy and ‘friends’ on several occasions I have refused to be intimidated by it and, as such, am not as inclined to be so gracious on this.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9854325)

Jet is a real woman ( I am saying that in India's voice in my head)

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9854322)

I thought she was a he for ages as well, sorry Jet :worry:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9854282)

#metoo they touched me on the...

Oh wait this thread is about some other thing. Some kinda whingey nonsense. Never mind. Me too about that as well I guess. What is it we're talking about?

Actually I guess my two cents is what it always is; this is a private forum, the people running it pick the mods, if you don't like their policies then by all means complain about it but if the status quo has been decided then :shrug:. If the forum staff don't want every SD thread to become a Jezza Corbz thread then that's their business. If the forum staff want to force every thread on every topic to be about a micropiglet wearing a monocle that's their business. No one is being oppressed here. This isn't a public space. You're in someone else's house and if you don't like the game they're playing, you are free to go home. This applies to all of us and is well worth remembering.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 9854367)

I really can't post as I have a hell of a migraine, but I just want to say a big thank you to Ammi. :love:

....and to clear it up I am ALL MAN. :fist: Even though I cry a lot and Mrs. Jet wears the trousers in our house. :laugh: