Here we go again! :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

I have already acknowledged that there were many other MPs who opposed SSM but they're not in the BBH. Ann is! Hence us discussing HER and not the other 175.

There are 650 MPs in Parliament and only 176 (27%) opposed SSM. Not a huge number and many were old Tories who'd been in Parliament since 1066 - or so it seems!

But in none of my posts did I in any way mention or condone verbal abuse of Ann. I was merely discussing her bigotry and homophobia and terrible voting record on LGBT rights.

I don't take it personal either. I know this has been a heated debate but as I and I'm sure others are from the LGBT community themselves then naturally we'd be quite vociferous in defending our equal rights and pointing out those, like Ann as an MP, who have tried to deny us those rights. That's all.

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I thought that the numbers involved made a valid point backed up by the statistics.

Yes, they lost, we know that

However, why is Ann being hounded as if it was all down to her.

It should come out, just as much as her political career has been discussed on here as well.

It is not hear we go again either, it is the first time, in my knowledge that these stats have been used on here.

Ann isn't being hounded on here, well not by me, but she is being singled out because of her prudish behaviour in the BBH. Even the HMs themselves have at one time or another complained about it.

She used a vote to nominate Andrew pointing out to the disgusting behaviour by Andrew and Shane when they were play-fighting. She then made comments to the effect that Andrew's relatives would have been shocked and disgusted at the play-fighting??? Why???

The only reason why is because Ann equated the play-fight as some Gay hanky panky which it was not!

We just seem to be going around in circles now so this will be my last comment about Ann made on this Forum thread to you. Sorry about that.

I agree, it is fine to agree to disagree, thank you for the discussion

Discussing a big brother housemate on a big brother forum is bleating?

Oh dear.

Thing is though, its Ann who is on BB. If any of the other MPs who voted against were on the show, I am sure they would also be being criticized for it.

That is fair enough although imo you should only be judged on the house but the op suggested Ann was been homophobic in the house which other's argued she wasnt then others brought up her past and then :devil: :joker:

Yes of course I understand this but felt if it was stated when she was getting all the blame leveled at her, a fairer comment should be Ann along with 175 other MPs voted to oppose Gay Marriage.

Her being on CBB has brought the subject up, so shouldn't it be fully disclosed that she wasn't alone in her views.

Why are you shocked. You are on a big brother forum where people, more often than not discuss big brother housemates.

I really dont understand how this is confusing so many.

Yeah I do see a lot of people saying they do not care what people do outside the house, they judge them on how they have been in the house. I am usually in that camp tbh. I vaguely remember when I was supporting Harry in one BB and people kept saying 'but he is a fox hunter' and such...but he had not killed any foxes inside the house so :shrug:

With Ann though, she has spoke about her voting against equality inside the house so I can definitely see why its discussed. I think she explained herself pretty well though.

I think also,on CBB,some and at times most people, know the celebs.
So it's hard to disconnect from what is known as to them,unlike with civilian BB where we know little or nothing before they go in.

Such as Linda Nolan,I dreaded another Nolan in,I hadn't liked her before.
In the first week or so I quite liked her.
Then her true colours appeared,taking me back to my thinking on her before.

Jim Davidson, I hadn't liked much before he went in then as a housemate did and got behind him.
As I have Ann too.

I still don't care for her out the house,in it she's good viewing.
It is difficult to keep out your mind what is known about her though,especially when she chooses to reinforce it in the house.
That is Ann, how she is and some of it is blatant prejudice and religious,selective bigotry.

:laugh:Which reminds me why has no one picked up on Daniels remark "Fooking lesbians" IF Ann had said Fooking gays" this place would have gone into meltdown(but it would have been hilarious) This isn't aimed at you Vicky,you just reminded me.

:nono: Ann would have said fudging gays

Yeah, I was kind of expecting a thread on that if I am honest. Didn't particularly care enough to make one myself though :laugh:

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Ann is the topic of discussion as she is on big brother. The very purpose of this forum.

Another basic fact you're either not understanding or purposely ignoring.

Glad to see Rylan take this topic on head first last night

AND ABSOLUTELY RUBBISH IT AND THOSE WHO PROPAGATE SUCH ARRANT NONSENSE

Rylan probably didn't even know who she was before she went in.

I don’t think Ann has showed any hate or predjudice towards anyone because of their sexual preferences in the house.
She’s equally prudish with language,different topics of conversation,partying,staying up late etc.

Saying "Disgusting" is as homophobic as "poppadom " is racist ,but don't let facts get in the way of a good moan ,Isn't it silly Ellen ?

Maybe if you evaluate those words objectively.

However, for bigotry people tend to look at the actual situation and people involved and the intent between them.

Any fool can see the word "disgusting" is not homophpbic. The context within which it is used can be. Emphasis on "can" be before I get jumped on.

Its not the word, its the context. Plus I am sure they actually called Shilpa a P*** also. I know Jack did, possibly Danielle too. And were singing rhymes were obviously the missing word was P***

Yeah if your only argument to say Shilpa was not racially bullied is "Poppadom is not racist" then you clearly didn't watch much of CBB5. Thee racism in that series was abhorrent. Especially from, as Vicky said, Danielle and Jack.

To deny that you have got to be wilfully ignorant.

No she didn't Vicky

Yes. She did.

Don't tell lies.

Most Ann fans clearly agree with her views but hide behind the usual "she tells it like it is, she's so honest!!!" excuse. No, just be honest and admit you agree with her views on things like gay marriage.

I am surprised this forum has so many homophobes. I would have thought a show like this would have a more liberal audience but I guess I was wrong.

Jack definitely did. It seems the other person may have been Jo, not Danielle

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ofcom.channel4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xas5uDLd4N0

[edit]
The fifth UK series of Celebrity Big Brother began on 3 January 2007. On Day 1, eleven celebrity housemates entered the Big Brother house, including model Danielle Lloyd, singer Jo O'Meara and Bollywood actress Shilpa Shetty. Then, on Day 3, former Big Brother housemate Jade Goody entered the house, accompanied by her boyfriend Jack Tweed and her mother Jackiey Budden.

During Budden's relatively short stay in the house, she and Shetty clashed on numerous occasions. Budden claimed that she was unable to pronounce "Shilpa", and referred to Shetty as "Princess" and "the Indian". Budden insisted that it was "not her fault" if she were to say Shilpa and it were to come out wrong.[8] During her eviction interview, after Budden used the term "the Indian", presenter Davina McCall coerced Budden into saying "Shilpa" and Jackiey pronounced it properly.

After Budden's eviction, Goody's boyfriend Jack Tweed called Shetty an expletive, with the bleeped-out expletive variously reported as "****"[9] and "****"[10] who should remove objects from the toilet with her teeth. The night that Carole Malone was evicted, Lloyd was heard to refer to Shetty as a "dog".[11]

However, the first large upsurge in complaints occurred after a conversation between Lloyd and O'Meara was shown, during which O'Meara generalised that all Indians were thin because they were "sick all the time" as a result of undercooking their food, following their belief that Shetty had undercooked a chicken.[8] Lloyd also mentioned that she didn't like Shetty touching her food because she didn't "know where her hands have been".[12] Lloyd, O'Meara and Goody repeatedly maintained a belief that Shetty was "fake", and "a mole".[13]

The tensions in the house came to a peak on Day 15, when an explosive argument between Shetty and Goody erupted, seemingly over stock cubes. During this argument, Goody told Shetty that she was "not no ****ing princess here", "normal" and needed "a day in the slums", while Shetty told Goody that her "claim to fame was [Big Brother]". Witnessed by a giggling O'Meara and Lloyd, Lloyd said afterwards she thought Shetty should "**** off home".[14] She also said Shilpa "can't even speak English properly anyway".

The next morning, Goody referred to Shetty as, 'Shilpa ****awallah', 'Shilpa Daroopa' and 'Shilpa Poppadom'. She later insisted that she had done this with no intention of racism. She later apologised if her actions had offended anybody.[15][16] After Goody apologised to Shetty for her behaviour, Tweed stated that he was very disappointed with Goody for apologising, and called Shetty a "dick" after previously describing her as a "wanker".

And NOT Jade !!

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/big-bro...n-bb-race-row/

This also.

The poppadom thing was dodgy. But this is undeniable really.

The limericks..though not explicitly saying the word P***...thats very obviously what was meant.

Its a food Vicky,want she meant ( we will never know ) and what she actually said are 2 different things

P*** is not a food.

Yes but its the context. And when added to that ridiculous limerick game..it looks seriously bad.

Like a curry is a food, but if I called an Indian person a curry, especially if I had been (basically) making jokes of racism terms around the same time, and my mates had been telling the person to 'go home' and such surely you can see why a lot of people would view curry as not just a food, but an offensive term?

I always remember that year of CBB with Jade shilpa etc we all will..

I will never forget Jermaine calling Jade & family 'white trash' there was no outrage for that though was it acceptable.. no but it happened

RIP Jade

Wow the straws have been clutched so bad they are threadbare.

Now just imagine they called him ‘black trash’.

And yes i know ‘white trash’ is basically the US term for ‘chav’ but inserting the persons skin colour is either right for everyone or wrong for everyone.Anything else is racism.

I'd never read that before, thanks. I'm confused as to why they were telling them to switch off their microphones though?

And it's fine for you to stereo-type

Maybe some people just respect other people have the right to THEIR opinion. It doesn't mean we agree with it necessarily.
This is a democratic country...we are all entitled to a ****ing opinion...Ann has said nothing wrong but she clearly feels uncomfortable around certain behaviour between 2 men. She doesn't care what people do in private but personally finds it hard to watch in public. She has every right to feel that way...