I don't think I saw Cherie say anywhere in this thread that she's afraid Trans people will attack her......but maybe I missed that post?

What a great article :clap1: and by a trans woman

also quoting the equality act 2010 which has been completely ignored by the men in this thread

Women are concerned with their own protections from abuse, violence, discrimination and their right to single-sex provision enshrined in the Equality Act (2010

I don’t want half the people on this thread to be on this thread tbf. I’m sure most people here feel the same (but with different people in mind).

do pull up that post if you can use the quote feature, I would love to see it myself given I have written nothing of the sort....I will be waiting for you to do this or issue an apology

Anybody know where I can hire a trans person to attack Cherie?

So you deny people a voice because you don't like what they are saying, howe very inclusive and tolerant of you

:laugh:

You’re reading a lot of this with your angry eyes switched on. Take a breather.

You have no idea who she was assaulted by so you are just presuming

Well the biggest problem is that one day a man says I want to be a trans man.

So he must be a pervert after a chance to get her into a hospital bed

I suggest that it is you who needs to back out as you can't handle alternate views

I'm waiting for you to pull up that post you claim I have written

:oh:

a man saying he wants to be a trans man would be uncommon I'd imagine

Thats not at all true, I’m not even invested enough in this thread to care about specific views. Actually, I knew everybodys views before I even entered the thread because this exact topic exists in about 50 different threads. Same argument, same arguers.

:joker: think u mean trans woman sheriff

If you have no interest in the thread, back out, its very easy, but don't suggest what other forum members should do in your baity voice

You are literally doing exactly what you are telling me not to do, whereas I have never done what you are telling me what not to do.

Seriously, take a breather.

No I am not I never suggested you take a breather, I suggested if you are not interested back out, two different things. Honestly all those masters are going to waste

The article Livia posted Withano is very good though if you do get a chance to read it. I think people are being jumped on for voicing any concerns and labelled as bigots for daring to speak when mostly it's not coming from a place of intolerance at all. Even in here a narrative has been written that Cherie is afraid of being attacked by trans women in hospital beds when she said nothing of the kind

Oh true I did say that... twice i think. its a good advice for you to take rn. It seems like you’re getting agitated a little too easily is all.

Are you missing Brillo, got no one to pounce on...what a shame :pat:

I’d swap her in for you, at least she made it interesting.

now who is agitated :joker:

...still you...

Anyway back to the point, has anyone bothered to read the article Livia posted?

Ok stop bickering and get back on topic :oh:

posting this again for those who can't read back

Yes Miss

have it saved ill read it in a bit!

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Stopped reading the article pretty early because of the context of this thread

The argument in this thread is that a rapist might think to themselves one day ‘oh how I want to sexaully assault somebody but how will i ever... unless, i pretend to identify as a woman, and I pretend to be sick, i get myself into an all womans ward and bingo. Nobody will even check on me and my victims for weeks probably, its not like they have busy 24 hour staff and a wide open door’.... instead of the same bloke realising he could assault a woman in minutes if he wanted to, there are several private places without cameras in any town right now and you wouldnt have to sign in with your nhs number to get there

The argument is stupid

Also the same people seem very fine with mixed sexes wards, as in say 5 men and 5 women, but **** off will we have 9 women and 1 transwoman!

Something tells me nobody was really ever talking about the article.

The article (and a sound argument) is that things are going to be difficult for transwomen if they don't work alongside women to alleviate women's irrational fears about what will happen to them / their rights if they accept trans.

The argument on this thread is that those fears are not irrational, but realistic.

:shrug:

Not interested in the thread, knows everyone views, but comes in to ensure the label bigot gets an airing …..now who is predictable.

Just took a quick glance over your 74 posts (more than double anybody else) not one seemed productive, its just arguments and baits. Look closer inward maybe.

For me it's the broader issue of Self IDing, if it's allowed in some cases is it allowed in all?

*again who said people will be attacked in hospitals?

crazy hysterical women eh?

Off the top of my head, Livia.

What exactly is the issue with Self-IDing for you Niamh? If we were to allow it for every case in every place, what would your issue with that be?

Also, I don't think the author was saying that womens fears are irrational at all considering she says :

I am horrified by the number of trans women threatening extreme, misogynistic violence. I see, almost daily, violent threats on social media aimed at women demonised as TERFs (trans-exclusionary radical feminists). Last September a 60-year-old woman in London was punched by a six-foot-tall trans woman (pictured above) more than three decades younger. The woman, Maria MacLachlan, was there simply to attend a meeting to discuss the self-identification proposals. An art exhibition in April in San Francisco featured T-shirts printed with “I punch TERFs” and smeared with fake blood, and baseball bats, axes and sledgehammers painted in the colours of the trans flag. (These exhibits were removed after protests.) By contrast, I’ve yet to see one instance of women threatening to physically attack trans people. It raises a question: is the biological and socialised sex of trans women relevant and more predictive of some individuals’ behaviour than gender identity