If I was wrong, it wouldn't be hard to prove so. You wouldn't have to resort to insults because you would be able to operate on even footing to me.

If I'm wrong, prove me wrong, no point blaming me if you can't come up with a good response. Again, childish behaviour.

So the one thing you can watch to try and understand why her popularity went downhill fast...the true testament with words falling out of their own mouths...its not fiction...its not gossip...it justifies why some people dislike her.
Its called burying your head in the sand.:laugh:

The Lizzie Cundy stuff will never get old. :joker: Pissing myself.

because is key to why people suddenly sat up and began to see what was going on, prior to that there were tabloid headlines and snippets but I think most people dismissed them as gossip especially the rift with William

this is where is was confirmed by the couple themselves against a backdrop of unimaginable poverty and abuse of females

:laugh2:

I don't need to watch it, I understand why people use it as a reason to hate her. She got emotional about finding things hard and people thought that she had no reason to find things hard because of who she is.

None of it really relates to my arguments about how the media presents them, it just shows that people think that the rich can't suffer mental health issues or struggle with parenthood because money apparently fixes everything.

Trying to make out I'm burying my head in the sand won't work, it just makes you look like you're looking for reasons to invalidate my views without putting any effort into it. 'If you haven't watched something I want you to watch then all your views on the subject don't matter!' A weak way of trying to win a discussion.

It is not key to the reason why I'm opposed to their treatment though, you would have to deny reality to make out that Meghan and Kate got different reactions when they were both engaging in the same behaviours.

It's just a way of you trying to discount my views without with effort, like I said to Rustic.

...I have seen the South Africa interview and it’s always heartbreaking to see someone struggling in the way Meghan obviously was...obviously that’s my own interpretation and how I saw it...but interestingly, I was reading an Article from a New Zealand magazine so more neutral/unbias as the uk media has always been, if you like ...the negative U.K. media/social media attention given to Meghan began a lot earlier than their SA visit and it built and it built in intensity, according to timelines...and actually, it seems that there was more warmth toward her at the time of and just following the SA interview when it was realised how the extremity of it all was impacting her and her mental welfare...her more popular time in actuality we could say....and real support for her but sadly it didn’t last because the tabloid media are very relentless...



As clips of Meghan's heartbreaking confession that she "wasn't doing OK" surfaced on social media, a viral hashtag called #WeLoveYouMeghan started trending on Twitter, with fans rallying around the royals.
"If you're watching #HarryandMeghan right now and still have something negative to say, you don't have a heart," one fan wrote.
Another said: "I like them even more after watching... didn't think that was possible. Substance & style. An amazing couple. They're authentically themselves."

Hold on, let's not reframe the hate they receive entirely around the African Journey documentary, because that's flat out false.

A quick search of this very forum proves those kinds of threads LONG predate that documentary.

...the timelines of how she was treated by the U.K. media seem to be well documented from world views as well, so no bias applied as U.K. articles appear to have...and actually, the SA visit and her interview that was so raw and emotional marked a surge in her popularity and support ...sadly not long lasting ...

I am taking about my own experience and the experience of a few forum members who said the same, only you appear to be able to talk for everyone

maybe quote the threads, lets see who said what

Who have I spoken for? :joker:

You're the one claiming the "experience of a few forum members".

I'm simply pointing out the threads on this forum date back further than the broadcast of that documentary. Clear to anyone who cares to actually look.

Please quote them so we can all have a look see ta

Right, so you can make claims that the documentary changed things for everyone on the forum, because you say so. :joker:

But I have to search the forum for you? :laugh:

You have hands, use them. The documentary aired October 2019 to save you the hard work of googling for yourself too.

this is what I said

I am taking about my own experience and the experience of a few forum members who said the same

why should you produce evidence? because you need to back up your claims, I don't need to do that

Yep, whilst it was no doubt a huge opportunity for people to questionably spit even more venom at two people who were mentally struggling. It was also the point a lot of people who weren't particularly interested in them before (myself included) took notice of how they were being treated and refused to tolerate it.

Back up my claims that there's threads on this forum full of hate for Meghan Markle that predate the documentary? This is the forum.

You're. on. the. forum. Go look Cherie, I have full confidence in you.

The exact opposite to what I seen and read at the time. Polls at the time saw her drop dramatically in popularity after the SA interview - Harry's popularity didn't just then even though he spoke out about his difficulties with William, though he has dropped way down currently.

Its called 'Putting your money where your mouth is'....:hee:

Magazines and social media stuff are looked down upon on here though as worthless (see previous posts upthread). Don't go by them myself much.

As a matter of interest Ammi did you think it was the right platform to air their woes? there is no doubting they were upset but personally I didn't think that was the time or place tbh

I repeat. We are on the forum.

I'm not quoting Lizzie Cundy here... looking. on. the. forum.

...yeah, I guess that my own thoughts would be quite reflective of the support they appeared to have got in the timeline of negative media against Meghan and that surge of popularity at that time...Royal awareness raising is a multi layered thing and they spoke of a very personal thing to them as well which was reflective of their own mental struggles at the time...it didn’t have to be and never should be an ‘either /or’ of any other spect of their visit...mental health is always a very important thing to to talk about openly for many people who will relate and when it’s a Royal/celebrity etc, it touches and inspires others to speak about their own experiences and to help recognise themselves when they’re struggling...

...it’s documented in many timelines that it enhanced her popularity and not related in any way to the biased U.K. tabloid media, I’m not sure what else to say...

I totally agree.

I saw no wrong in how it was handled either.
Sometimes there's criticism of the Royals being more robotic and not like everyone else.

To open up so personally as was done there, it endeared them more to me rather than see them more negatively.

..that’s a huge change with the Royal family, Joey...that they’ve become more personal and relatable over time and hugely inspired others...

Okay...I didn't see this great surge in her popularity though... far from it, quite the opposite. Not saying you didn't....:shrug:

I didn't think there was anything wrong to be honest either. As I said earlier in the thread, there would be women sat at home watching it, struggling with their own mental health and thinking they were wrong to feel that way as there are people.in the world worse off so they should just shut up and deal with it. But seeing Meghan saying she is struggling even with her fame and fortune, with the backdrop of what she had also seen might have allowed women here to think they were ok to be struggling and possibly open up and seek help.

Just my personal opinion of course as the way I saw it when I watched at the time and I haven't changed my mind. Yes there are people in the world living horrific lives, but there are people here too who feel they have nowhere to turn too

https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politic...ty/royalty/all

A recent poll. Camilla and the little seen Sophie Wessex are more popular then Meghan. Maybe people should ask themselves why this is so without the usual resorting to 'she's mixed race'!!! 'she took poor Harry away'!!!
Maybe some people think like that, a tiny minority I would guess, but its just a too lazy and convenient way of brushing off peoples valid opinions and perceptions.

I think most of the GBP see through her abject BS

i mean its not hard to

"im so caring, woe is me"

This devious woman is after one thing


and one thing only

POWER

They aren't Royals anymore. Unless you have an interest in them or the family (or come on this forum lol) a lot of people probably don't give them a thought anymore.

Too be honest Annie, I don't think many woman sitting at home struggling needed a hugely privileged Duchess to tell them it was all right. They would more likely be thinking 'What the hell has she got to complain about with all the best mental health care available to her at a click of her finger and anything else she wants or needs, if only I had her resources!"
But I respect your personal opinion on it of course. :)

They are Royals until they decide to give up their very Royal titles, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex.
I think people give them more thought than they do Camilla or Sophie, as they put themselves out there constantly. They have been in the papers or news or discussed on morning tv, etc many times since their break from the UK relating to some drama or other. :hee:

Thanks you

I would have thought well if a hugely privileged Duchess is struggling with all the money and fame and help she has, then maybe its ok for me to feel like that. Is what I took from it.

Everyone views things differently I guess and that what makes for these debates.

Two things LT -- POWER and LOADSA MONEY - BILLIONS!

Exactly! Thanks for debating civilly with me, its a nice change! :hee: :love:

Annie is always a respectful member and a great debator
(even is she is often wrong:joker:)

:love:

...it might be how you ‘debate’ and speak to (some..)..people as well, Jet...yesterday I felt quite targeted and tag teamed in your references to me with another member/making comments as if I wasn’t there ...and you questioning me of my thoughts on you on a personal level...and giving your personal thoughts about me without being asked, which is obviously not a ‘forum debate’ thing...it’s good to look inward as well, I feel...

I am never disrespectful to anyone for no reason, never...sometimes I get pushed too far, I am supposed to take it over and over and be a little mouse eh?
Things got to me yesterday and got out of hand.
I apologize sincerely if I upset you.

I would have preferred it if you had PM'ed me privately though, Josy asked us to keep personal stuff of this thread.

...but you were, though, disrespectful and personally insulting when I hadn’t been and wouldn’t ever have been... so any reference to ‘pushing’ or being pushed too far has no bearing to my part in any discussion...and to in any way excuse unpleasant personal behaviour toward me...