No you are right, there are definitely a few things in the real world that men are disadvantaged by

I need all remaining episodes to just be Jury House footage of Da'Vonne/Zakiyah/Bridgette/Michelle/Natalie dragging Paulie on a daily basis :love:

He's not a feminist, it's laughable and very insulting to actual feminists if he calls himself one

I don't know the member, but I'm pretty sure hes joking about calling himself a feminist?

I hope Nicole gets booed on her way out

She hasn't done anything evil to be booed lol. a bit OTT

It'd be fitting since she morphed into Christine, but yeah it's never happening bc she and James are so ****ing protected by the edit.

Natalie: If I stayed and win HOH I would put Paul and Nicole up and play russian roulette and say in my speech “If you win veto your partner goes up. Enjoy motherf,ckers.”

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Nicole is awful and I'm convinced she's going to win. I don't want her to but she would be a fitting winner (crap season, crap winner)

yeah after last week I've resigned myself to a Nicole win, she really is a living example of what Grodner and Kass want women to be like.

I can't believe I'm about to say this but I think I'm rooting for Corey?!??!?! Vic has no shot and I think he's starting to realize how ****ed he is for next week, and I'm pretty sure Corey would have to either cut Nicole at F3 or just outright beat her at F2, both of which would be delicious.

Natalie is definitely the target this week?

Victor wanted James out but Nicole and Paul spend all their free time taking **** about Natalie and plotting to make her cry on live TV by blindsiding her and leaving her nasty goodbye messages and other nice stuff. Victor's realizing he has no way to stop this, and he's also starting to realize that he's probably screwed for next week too.

I can't deal with a Nicole win, just no.

Anybody but Nicole at this point

Victor, Paul and Natalie are the only acceptable winners from this dire season tbh.

and they're gonna be the next two boots lmfao :love:

There's nothing to edit her poorly with tho

Also *sigh* at James probably sliding by another week. But it honestly makes sense for Nicorey I guess since James has a thing for them.

Didn't Christine only get booed for the Cody thing and not her gameplay?

I don't like Nicole but she hasn't done nothing wrong to be booed :joker: she is a rat/snake but that's big brother and not offensive to anyone, Nicole bitches etc but still not offensive and pretty much everyone does that lmao. Nicole isn't evil in any way.

^ sounds like you like Nicole based on that description :laugh:

Exactly. She has done nothing 'bad' that warrants any hate really. If she wanted all the males out she'd be loved. It's ridiculous how unfairly guys get judged on this show.

Like if the guys want girls out they're 'sexist' but if girls want guys out they're 'legends' :facepalm:

It matters when the guy she's besotted with is a scumbag!

gender politics kinda matter on a show like this when it's been a decade since a woman won without the help of production. Only two women have won since Grodner took over and they only won bc she tried to rig for a golden boy, it didn't work, so then one of the closest females was beneficiary.

but i don't she's annoying and let me down this season but i'm saying she hasn't done anything evil to be booed, being a rat/snake/siding with the boys is part of the game so it's not even that bad and she hasn't been up for eviction this season and is the only HG not to so it's working for her and she bitches about the females and have random dislike towards them again that's not evil because pretty much everyone does it:laugh:

Maybe the guys who have won have just had better gameplay? :shrug:

I just can't understand the mentality of wanting girls to stick together and take all the guys out but being against it the other way around and thinking it's okay. I get that it's the viewers' preference widely but it doesn't make them 'bad people' for it or whatever I see them getting accused of if they team up against the girls.

I ****ing hate nicole if i was on the jury i would vote COREY over that dumb bitch

i am very hopeful that davonne will poison the jury against her women hating ass

Same, I'm not watching anymore but from what I've read I can't see anyone but Nicole, possibly Paul, winning :laugh:

I agree, it doesn't make them bad people at all.. I would do the same only if It helps me not because i'm being horrible.. but I don't view females and males differently they both human and no different to one another so I will treat all sexes the same and treat them as people not over their gender.

Well whenever a group of girls gets any leverage by their own doing, Grodner steps in and intervenes. That's how we ended up with the Coup d'Etat in BB11 and Pandora's Box in BB13.

Part of the reason such a mentality exists is that we've seen a group of guys bro down and steamroll through the season numerous times, and it usually results in the worst seasons like BB12 and BB16. Part of the reason is that Grodner and Kass seem to almost exclusively cast codependent women in order to guarantee that they're a number for the men. Part of the reason is that the production ideal is a bunch of dudes in the endgame with maybe one female, as evidenced by BB12 and BB16 being held in high regard by production and being two of the most common seasons given in sequester to new HGs before the show. Part of the reason is that Survivor, a fundamentally similar show, has a near 50% statistic of women winning while Big Brother doesn't even have a 30% statistic.

I don't think anyone actually thinks Nicole is an evil person, but she is an incredibly frustrating one. She perpetuates the show's worst tropes about gender and is more concerned about being the last girl standing than anything else. She presents herself as wholesome by censoring herself from saying words like crap and damn, yet she lets Corey defile her on the live feeds. The edit tries to present her as the goofy, lovable girl next door, but on the live feeds she's proven herself to be whiny, needy, critical of other females like clockwork, and frustratingly delusional. Basically, the TV show goes out of its way to present Nicole as how she wants us to see her, but anyone who has seen the live feeds sees that she isn't anything like that at all.

It's fair enough to always root for women to stick together & win for that reason. I find that kinda weird anyway but it makes some sense at least.

But, like, the same mentality happens with Survivor where we see much more of a mix in all of those areas (all girl alliances, girls' winning percentage, etc.).

I don't think it really is though? We don't see nearly as many attempts at an all girls alliance partly because they don't need to be made out of necessity like they do on BB. The girls that get on Survivor are ready to play and are a lot more mercenary and actively playing the game and trying to win. There's a huge difference between Survivor women and Big Brother women.

I also think it's fair to just have a preference for the women that are casted just from generally liking their characteristic traits more... I'd probably say I prefer the males a bit more on a general basis for that reason... but to ALWAYS want to see the girls sticking together and NEVER liking the males sticking together (or for a girl to side with guys) is pretty ridiculous regardless of past statistics and gender politics. :shrug:

Eh, I guess I could see this. The girls are generally more aggressive/smarter players on Survivor. :idc:

However, it doesn't change the fact that many love the all girl alliances and hate the all guy alliances on Survivor as well despite the show being very balanced in gender roles, winners, and what not...

Alliances in Survivor usually aren't as homogeneous as they are in Big Brother, so I think comparing the two is apples and oranges. The only ones that come to mind are the Black Widow Brigade, which most people love due to the star power of Parvati and Cirie more than anything, and Kim's alliance in One World, which I don't think anyone can muster up any sort of opinion about.

And again, the past statistics and gender politics behind BBUS is the reason that some people appear to blindly root for women just because of their gender. The show and its fanbase wouldn't be in this position if women were cast as more than token showmance filler, if there wasn't always a girl in the cast ready to cannibalize her gender in attempt to be the last woman standing, if a woman was able to win the show by her own merit (which again, hasn't happened since 2005), etc. The attitude is a product of the circumstances of the show, not the other way around.

I actually agree with this and one of the most annoying things about this forum is its blind support of women just for the sake of it under the guise of some kind of faux feminism, but that isn't actually the reason I dislike Nicole. She's whiny as hell (I actually think she's like the male Cody), her showmance is nauseating and any of the mildly endearing aspects of her personality there may have been in BB16 have completely evaporated this season.

All that being said, she doesn't deserve to be booed. One of my favourite things about North American BB's are the warm reception 99% of the houseguests receive upon their exit, and if they're booed you know (most of the time) they've been a real ****. It's a much nicer atmosphere than BBUK with its incessant booing and nasty chanting

The US crowd are amazing but I still can't forgive them booing Christine lmao, she had more booes than Aaryn :umm2:

I wish we had different returnees tbh. I liked Nicole and James from their original seasons but they have annoyed me and I'm pretty sure James is playing for AFP instead of 500k :umm2: it seems like those two have stolen 2 peoples places.

I did tell you they were pretty disappointing choices :laugh:

I thought positive that they were going to do better but they have disappointed me.. I have no idea out of James and Nicole though who is the most disappointment

Nicole has no social game at all and spends all her time with Corey :umm2: I don't get the rat/snake hate because "welcome to big brother.gif" :laugh:(twitter aim) but I get the showmance hate which is what put me off her. Some showmances work but some are gross, he doesn't even like her lmao

and there's James who yet again desperate for a showmance and he's obsessed with being loved by America and he thinks he will be top 3 for the AFP I think he wants AFP more than $500k :laugh:

Da''Vonne did better this season and Frank 50/50 but I prefer him to those two lmao (hated him on BB14)

To give Nicole her credit she is doing something right to have lasted this long, and I do wish I'd actually posted pre-season that she'd be my prediction to win because she genuinely was, but she hasn't gone about it in the way I expected nor one I find at all entertaining or endearing :laugh:

I actually preferred James more this season until he tanked his and Natalie's games in the last couple of weeks. It's interesting people bring up AFP because I'm sure I read that it went to his head last year and he thought he was a much bigger celeb than he was and above interacting with fans, so God help him if he gets it again

I didn't know Frank before this season and didn't like him initially but in hindsight I'd have taken him over eight weeks of Paulie or whatever it was. And I enjoyed Day just as much but we got more of her so :love:

I think it was just way too soon for all the vets and siblings. I don't think Nicole or James were really that different to how they were in their original seasons, it's just that their circumstances and positions within the house changed. Both of their appeals were being underdogs in seasons that desperately needed them at the time. It's interest at a conceptual level how Nicole came full circle and morphed into Christine, and how James served as the Meg to Natalie and talked her out of her accurate intuition, but in practice it resulted in a bunch of gross outcomes I didn't want to happen.