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arista 05-12-2023 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11399900)
Why is only showing "one side" a problem all of a sudden?


He just posts Tweets.
thats like LT


Admin asked LT to do
more on that

Nicky91 05-12-2023 01:29 PM

Hamas are evil


no one says otherwise though


defending palestinians isn't defending hamas :umm2:



Hamas needs to be wiped out, but more like the correct way, the cleanest way without too much loss of innocent life


i can fully understand the criticism around Benjamin Netanyahu from the israeli people (but thankfully he'll only remain in power until Hamas are gone) maybe under a new government, things could change for the good in terms of israeli-palestinian relations

user104658 05-12-2023 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 11399922)
Hamas are evil


no one says otherwise though


defending palestinians isn't defending hamas :umm2:



Hamas needs to be wiped out, but more like the correct way, the cleanest way without too much loss of innocent life


i can fully understand the criticism around Benjamin Netanyahu from the israeli people (but thankfully he'll only remain in power until Hamas are gone) maybe under a new government, things could change for the good in terms of israeli-palestinian relations

That's the real crux of the issue. Putting aside the various reasons that terrorist organisations form and exist... it's hard to define Hamas as anything but a terrorist organisation. However, then remembering those reasons that terrorist organisations exist, it becomes ludicrous to accept that Israel's bombing campaign is an attempt to eradicate or even reduce terrorism: this sort of military action bolsters terrorist recruitment and increases the threat of terrorism. That is a simple fact.

Thus you immediately have to look for the simplest explanation: that they're using a "war on terror" to further other goals. In this case, the clear intent is to depopulate Gaza entirely. As I've said before, I dont think it's as "simple" as a religious genocide, it's not that they want to kill Muslims, they just want that land emptied. They do not care if the people there die, or simply leave, they just want them gone.

That sort of action - killing or displacing millions of civilians - is hard to justify, and thus there's been an absolutely massive propaganda campaign to create justification. It is ABUNDANTLY clear to anyone with any vague interest or knowledge of global politics or history, that the Israeli response to 7th Oct is at this point massively disproportionate. I find it odd that more people aren't asking themselves why.

bots 05-12-2023 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11399927)
That's the real crux of the issue. Putting aside the various reasons that terrorist organisations form and exist... it's hard to define Hamas as anything but a terrorist organisation. However, then remembering those reasons that terrorist organisations exist, it becomes ludicrous to accept that Israel's bombing campaign is an attempt to eradicate or even reduce terrorism: this sort of military action bolsters terrorist recruitment and increases the threat of terrorism. That is a simple fact.

Thus you immediately have to look for the simplest explanation: that they're using a "war on terror" to further other goals. In this case, the clear intent is to depopulate Gaza entirely. As I've said before, I dont think it's as "simple" as a religious genocide, it's not that they want to kill Muslims, they just want that land emptied. They do not care if the people there die, or simply leave, they just want them gone.

That sort of action - killing or displacing millions of civilians - is hard to justify, and thus there's been an absolutely massive propaganda campaign to create justification. It is ABUNDANTLY clear to anyone with any vague interest or knowledge of global politics or history, that the Israeli response to 7th Oct is at this point massively disproportionate. I find it odd that more people aren't asking themselves why.

It reduces the direct threat to Israel from Hamas, which is here and now. So, obviously its different to what may happen in the future. Now, as we speak, the terrorist organisation want to wipe out Israel. Any action taken against them by Israel will reduce the threat

arista 05-12-2023 03:02 PM

Israel IDF
are going to Flood the Tunnels
killing all the Hamas in them.

user104658 05-12-2023 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11399932)
It reduces the direct threat to Israel from Hamas, which is here and now. So, obviously its different to what may happen in the future. Now, as we speak, the terrorist organisation want to wipe out Israel. Any action taken against them by Israel will reduce the threat

I disagree and the entire history of the effect of taking disproportionate conventional military action in response to terror attacks suggests otherwise as well. Did the US' "shock and awe" campaign reduce terrorism?

bots 05-12-2023 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11399942)
I disagree and the entire history of the effect of taking disproportionate conventional military action in response to terror attacks suggests otherwise as well. Did the US' "shock and awe" campaign reduce terrorism?

Your not listening to me. I am not talking about terrorism in 1, 5 or 10 years. I'm talking about now. Destroying hamas and its infrastructure removes the threat Hamas poses to Israel now. That is simply fact

arista 06-12-2023 04:10 AM

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cp...01-nc.png.webp

Oliver_W 06-12-2023 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11399945)
Your not listening to me. I am not talking about terrorism in 1, 5 or 10 years. I'm talking about now. Destroying hamas and its infrastructure removes the threat Hamas poses to Israel now. That is simply fact

Eliminating Hamas and allowing Palestine to hold legitimate elections, without interference from outside, would be the solution in a perfect world.

But people seeing attacks from outside, especially people who have been radicalised (brainwashed) from birth by everything and everyone around them, including the education system etc etc, is only going to radicalise them further.

arista 06-12-2023 07:32 AM

"hold legitimate elections"

Yes only if Hamas has gone from Gaza.

But many are saying that could take years?

Oliver_W 06-12-2023 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 11400111)
"hold legitimate elections"

Yes only if Hamas has gone from Gaza.

But many are saying that could take years?

And who's to say whatever took their place wouldn't be as bad? Getting rid of Hamas wouldn't de-programme their people.

But they should have the choice.

arista 06-12-2023 10:41 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12...1861750415.jpg


IDF getting the Water Pumped into the Hamas tunnels


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/12...1861780434.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...umps-Gaza.html

arista 06-12-2023 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11400121)
And who's to say whatever took their place wouldn't be as bad? Getting rid of Hamas wouldn't de-programme their people.

But they should have the choice.


Yes

that goes back to 9/11
When that Evil Terrorist group
beat America.

The Weapon of a Plane full of fuels

2 Rich Arabs took Flying lesson in Florida
all they leant was how to fly steady
not take off or land.

They paid, in full, so all was in order.
A report went to someone
in the FBI, who never followed it up.

Ninastar 06-12-2023 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11400106)
Eliminating Hamas and allowing Palestine to hold legitimate elections, without interference from outside, would be the solution in a perfect world.

But people seeing attacks from outside, especially people who have been radicalised (brainwashed) from birth by everything and everyone around them, including the education system etc etc, is only going to radicalise them further.

They need to be eradicated and then we need troops from all over the world to stay and help rebuild and keep an eye on things. They still have people stationed in Germany and everything there has been stable for decades

bots 06-12-2023 04:54 PM

We used to have a UN peacekeeping force over there and all that happened was they got shot and blown up without taking any defensive action

Liam- 06-12-2023 05:23 PM


Ninastar 07-12-2023 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11400211)
We used to have a UN peacekeeping force over there and all that happened was they got shot and blown up without taking any defensive action

Killing peace keepers should be a war crime

Nicky91 07-12-2023 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 11400327)
Killing peace keepers should be a war crime

Israel never commits war crimes though



more antisemitism in here

Ninastar 07-12-2023 10:28 AM

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that but ok cool I guess??

Nicky91 08-12-2023 07:46 AM



many hamas terrorists captured :clap1: :clap1:

Oliver_W 08-12-2023 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11399885)


There’s a certain word for this.. but I can’t quite remember what they told us this entire thing wasn’t about :think:

The word is Annexation. Which no-one would reasonably deny is what Israel wants to do with the Gaza Strip.

Were you thinking of another word?

Nicky91 09-12-2023 08:02 AM

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/08/12183...sefire-veto-un

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The United States vetoed a resolution calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war at the United Nations Security Council on Friday.

The Security Council vote on the resolution, backed by Arab states, had 13 in favor and one — the U.S. — against, while the United Kingdom abstained.

After the vote, the U.S. deputy representative to the U.N., Robert Wood, said the resolution was rushed and ignored U.S. diplomatic efforts to get more aid into Gaza and free hostages taken by Hamas militants in the Oct. 7 attack on Israel.

"We propose language ... that would have reinforced the life-saving diplomacy we have undertaken since Oct. 7, increased opportunities for humanitarian aid to enter Gaza, encourage the release of hostages and the resumption of humanitarian pauses and laid a foundation for a durable peace," Wood said.

"Unfortunately, nearly all of our recommendations were ignored."

Arab countries urge the U.S. to push for a truce
Several foreign ministers of Arab countries that have been pushing for a cease-fire met U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken in Washington shortly after the U.S. veto.

While Blinken's aides say he wanted to talk about the future of Gaza, once Israel defeats Hamas, Jordan's foreign minister, Ayman Safadi, rejected that approach.

"Today's failure to support the call for a humanitarian cease-fire is an endorsement of further killing of Palestinians, further violations of international law, further commitment of war crimes," Safadi said.

"Israel is basically doing whatever it wants, in defiance even of its allies, creating a horrific situation in Gaza, and then wants us to come in and clean the mess. We will not do that."

He was joined by the foreign ministers of Qatar, Egypt and Saudi Arabia in calling for a cease-fire in Gaza.

The draft didn't condemn Hamas
Wood said the resolution's authors declined to condemn Hamas' Oct. 7 attack that killed 1,200 people, including women, children and elderly.

In response to the Hamas attack, Israel's two-month military campaign has killed more than 17,400 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, most of them women and children, according to the territory's Health Ministry, which does not differentiate between civilian and combatant casualties in its figures.

Wood added that the draft also "failed to acknowledge that Israel has the right to defend itself against terrorism."

Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Gilad Erdan thanked the U.S. "for standing firmly by our side."

Writing on X, formerly Twitter, he said: "A ceasefire will be possible only with the return of all the hostages and the destruction of Hamas."

The U.S. has previously vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution on similar grounds. Russia and China vetoed a U.S. resolution to condemn the Hamas attack, call for the release of hostages and allow aid into Gaza.

Earlier this week, U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres invoked a rarely used article of the U.N. Charter to urge the Security Council to "press to avert a humanitarian catastrophe" and pass a resolution for a "humanitarian cease-fire between Israel and Palestinian militants."
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user104658 09-12-2023 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11400698)
The word is Annexation. Which no-one would reasonably deny is what Israel wants to do with the Gaza Strip.

Were you thinking of another word?

Annexation does not involve the removal of the current civilian population.

Nicky91 10-12-2023 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11401034)
Annexation does not involve the removal of the current civilian population.

palestine isn't a country so they do not have own rights of that territory


;)


that territory is rightfully israeli ground, but yeah first all palestinians have to go

arista 10-12-2023 04:17 PM

Look Nicky

Once HAMAS has gone

The IDF are out of there.

Some have put up a white flag,
and are now locked up.
Others are dead.


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