Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4029429)

well, innocent until proven guilty....

but thats just my hunch having read some details about where she was found and what she didnt have on her etc. She didnt have her mobile with her and thats the first thing people grab these days when going out. And if it was somebody she knew that narrows the suspects down massively. It's easy to tick them off as suspects....except those without alibi's. He obviously doesnt have one.

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4028889)

Now this raises a question in my mind.

Never mind apologies...... if he is released without charge - I wonder if he is able to sue the newspapers for printing defammatory and libellious stories?

What I also find strange is: he worked at that school from 1967 to 2001 - if pupils found him so odd and he had anything 'suspect' (not killer wise, I mean in the way he is now being portrayed as some sick weirdo) - I doubt any private school would have retained his services. He worked there for 34 years - eccentric or not, he clearly wasn't that 'odd'.

It is all trial by media at this stage and it really is bang out of order. All this kind of nonsense should be embargoed until a final decision is made - ie: if and when he has been charged, placed in court for trial and found guilty (based on facts and forensics and not just circumstancial evidence - something I find a complete enigma).

Originally Posted by babycakes (Post 4029444)

Happy New Year Mids :xyxwave:

There's a guy on DS that was a pupil of CJ, who has nothing but praise for him, as an interesting and diligent schoolmaster. He's basically said that everything he has read in the tabloids is BS in regard to his character and I must admit all that jazz about Rossetti and films about the Holocaust (er, hello, anyone received an education that writes for the gutter press ??)

Like you, I understand the PS system, and agree that is pretty normal to be invited to a masters house/flat for pizza, or philosophy discussions, or to listen to music. Their life is entrenched in the school and therefore the pupils.

And everyone using these pages, or FB etc really should be cautious in what and how they write. If a person of interest to the press (not just the LL, for all we know there may be others in the frame) is discussed in an inappropriate way, it could be used by a defence team to show that they cannot receive a fair trial. Not wagging fingers, it is just something everyone needs to be mindful of.

I am embarassed to say that I find myself ghoulishly intrigued by this sad mystery. My son lives a mere stones throw away from the flat so I know the area very well, but there is definately a whodunnit quality that makes me feel a bitashamed of myself for my interest.

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4029488)

To be fair, when someone is a killer, family pretend to be shocked but they aren't. If they are a Psychopath the parents will know early on that there is something now quite right. But usually they'll pretend it's nothing or come up for other excuses for their behaviour

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4029498)

just because a family know their child is a bit odd or a bit of a loner doesn't mean they think they will go out murdering and cutting heads off every thursday. Thats a big stretch.

So yes, they certainly will be shocked. Especially if they have no history of violence.

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4029499)

And you know a family that's been in that situation do you?

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4029553)

No because serial killers dont frequent my area.

But Ive watched many docus and used to read books on famous murders and stuff.

And you don't know families either. For you to imply that theyre not shocked to learn their child is a serial killer is just a typical InOne statement. *rolls eyes*

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4029557)

No point getting into something like this with you. You just harp on and can't admit when wrong.

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4029569)

I'll just keep on topic and ignore your idiocy

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4029484)

nobody who knew him can say he's innocent. None of us know what lurks in the minds of others or what theyre capable of in certain situations.

Why do you think parents are so shocked when their child is revealed as a serial killer? Those closest are often the last to suspect. It's complex psychology. And murderers can be extremely complex people....with many sides.

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4029498)

just because a family know their child is a bit odd or a bit of a loner doesn't mean they think they will go out murdering and cutting heads off every thursday. Thats a big stretch.

So yes, they certainly will be shocked. Especially if they have no history of violence.

Originally Posted by babycakes (Post 4029444)

Happy New Year Mids :xyxwave:

There's a guy on DS that was a pupil of CJ, who has nothing but praise for him, as an interesting and diligent schoolmaster. He's basically said that everything he has read in the tabloids is BS in regard to his character and I must admit all that jazz about Rossetti and films about the Holocaust (er, hello, anyone received an education that writes for the gutter press ??)

Like you, I understand the PS system, and agree that is pretty normal to be invited to a masters house/flat for pizza, or philosophy discussions, or to listen to music. Their life is entrenched in the school and therefore the pupils.

And everyone using these pages, or FB etc really should be cautious in what and how they write. If a person of interest to the press (not just the LL, for all we know there may be others in the frame) is discussed in an inappropriate way, it could be used by a defence team to show that they cannot receive a fair trial. Not wagging fingers, it is just something everyone needs to be mindful of.

I am embarassed to say that I find myself ghoulishly intrigued by this sad mystery. My son lives a mere stones throw away from the flat so I know the area very well, but there is definately a whodunnit quality that makes me feel a bitashamed of myself for my interest.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4029579)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12103905

"Jo Yeates murder suspect Chris Jefferies freed on bail"

Originally Posted by Former OC (Post 4029651)

I was at Clifton during the late 70s/early 80s and was taught by Chris Jeferries for 5 years. I would entirely agree with the viewpoint that he was an excellent teacher whose character has been largely misrepresented. Some of the gutter press reporting has been laughable. For instance to state he was obsessed by death is a gross overstatement. He sought to teach us the whole gamut of human emotions from grief to joy through literature and the arts - death was merely one instance of this, he was just as interested in more life affirming subjects - I spent far more time laughing at Chaucer, marvelling at Ted Hughes poetry than I ever did watching Night and Fog (this also misses the point that Night and Fog wasn't a sensationalist Channel 5esque Nazi documentary but a major artistic piece of work by a renowned French film maker in collaboration with two surivors of Auschwitz). Todays headline in The Sun argues that this so called obsession scared the children - well I hate to break it to you but the entrance age for public schools is 13 - the so called children were all teenagers perfectly mature enough to deal with such subject matter. In addition there has been much prurient reporting of his lewd statements to pupils - well i was taught by him twice/three times a week for 5 years and I can categorically state that not once did he ever say one improper word to me or anyone else I knew. H emay have been flamboyantly threatrical in his teaching style he was actually very reserved in his attitude to pupils - he did not want to be your confidante.

As others have said there was nothing unusual in going to a masters house - I went to many, again not once did anything improper go on or was even suggested. Oddly this was actually proved by the Sun in their non story that a pupil and his friends (surely a weird predatory paedophile would ask pupils individually) were inivited to his house, strange though the pupil thought this (I would dispute this) he had to admit nothing happened!

Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys (Post 4029659)

The press will be absolutely gutted because they already had him hung drawn and quatered.

If he is innocent I do hope they have to pay him substantial compansation.

Originally Posted by Former OC (Post 4029651)

I was at Clifton during the late 70s/early 80s and was taught by Chris Jeferries for 5 years. I would entirely agree with the viewpoint that he was an excellent teacher whose character has been largely misrepresented. Some of the gutter press reporting has been laughable. For instance to state he was obsessed by death is a gross overstatement. He sought to teach us the whole gamut of human emotions from grief to joy through literature and the arts - death was merely one instance of this, he was just as interested in more life affirming subjects - I spent far more time laughing at Chaucer, marvelling at Ted Hughes poetry than I ever did watching Night and Fog (this also misses the point that Night and Fog wasn't a sensationalist Channel 5esque Nazi documentary but a major artistic piece of work by a renowned French film maker in collaboration with two surivors of Auschwitz). Todays headline in The Sun argues that this so called obsession scared the children - well I hate to break it to you but the entrance age for public schools is 13 - the so called children were all teenagers perfectly mature enough to deal with such subject matter. In addition there has been much prurient reporting of his lewd statements to pupils - well i was taught by him twice/three times a week for 5 years and I can categorically state that not once did he ever say one improper word to me or anyone else I knew. H emay have been flamboyantly threatrical in his teaching style he was actually very reserved in his attitude to pupils - he did not want to be your confidante.

As others have said there was nothing unusual in going to a masters house - I went to many, again not once did anything improper go on or was even suggested. Oddly this was actually proved by the Sun in their non story that a pupil and his friends (surely a weird predatory paedophile would ask pupils individually) were inivited to his house, strange though the pupil thought this (I would dispute this) he had to admit nothing happened!

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4029674)

JFTB: I would love him to be innocent and to take this matter further - reporting on facts is one thing, but hanging somenone out to dry in the manner they have done so far, before any legal proceedings have actually taken place as far as determining guilt - has been nothing less than shocking.

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4029686)

The people who believe it are worse than the people who write it

Originally Posted by babycakes (Post 4029681)

Thanks so much for your input; this backs up everything the poster on DS was saying, but I think most of us are bright enough to realise the ridiculous spin and appalling journalism that is most often served up by the sensationalist media (not just the tabloids, sadly).

I just find it frightening that the media can get away with publishing such utter drivel; and for all they knew at the time of writing, they could easily be putting a judicial procedure at risk.