Originally Posted by Zee (Post 4405494)

:rolleyes: No, I am not "start that car" - it is quite obviously far more shocking that a man disguised himself as a police officer and killed 80+ teenagers in cold blood than the death of somebody who struggled with addiction for at least four years in the public eye. People are quite obviously entitled to be interested in the death of a celebrity, but my point was that she's not actually done anything of note for half a decade; there were empty promises of new material for a few years and then apparently recently she had actually been working on new material - but going by her abysmal performance in Serbia, I'm not sure I believe that she was in the frame of mind to be producing all that much in the way of music. I care about Norway, it shocked me and I'm stunned that people are disregarding it so soon after it happened in favour of this. It's not like her death was out of the blue, when someone's that messed up it's more a case of predicting when rather than if, is that something that anyone can seriously deny? She's been all over the media for four years because she has problems, now she's dead because of her problems, so what's left to talk about? There's no new music to show (at the moment - I expect they'll put out posthumous stuff) - I'd be more understanding if she was on the promotional trail at the moment. Maybe I'm just cold hearted when it comes to her, I just have no respect for people who CHOOSE to play with fire like she did and who then suffer for it, and I guess that's been exacerbated by the fact she's famous for being, well, a mess, and is now going to receive even more attention for it. Leave the poor woman alone, I guess that's my thought on the matter ultimately.

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 4405477)

''...take it to PM''.

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 4405516)

Yes, leave the poor woman alone by tweeting "who the **** cares" and "Norway >"

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 4405477)

I'm not angry at all. Frustrated I guess that I have to respond to such an absurd point, hence the high volume of question marks and exclamation marks. Two friends whom you know very well.

Why are you responding to this post and not the argument I gave you? Why are you responding to my posting style and not my posts?

''If you want to go down that route, take it to PM''.

Originally Posted by Zee (Post 4405513)

What's the need for being patronising?

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 4405522)

Paragraphs.

What do you mean leave the poor woman alone? You don't think it's right that people are paying respect to the art she has left behind? I don't really understand any of that. What does it matter how out of her face she was recently or how much material she has had recently? Her death would be worth more if she had a new LP? Give her a chance to compete with those crafty Norway strangers your heart goes out to?

Are we really getting this banal about it? Bloody Nora. I'll leave this one until the morning because I'm getting merry now and I don't want to compromise my own arguments nor yours by offering up substandard responses but ... Jesus.

Honestly you sound way out of your element.

Originally Posted by tmi (Post 4405558)

People are highlighting the fact she had drug problems, I think they should concentrate the music she left behind rather than her faults.

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4405547)

oh I understand your frustration - that comes over loud and clear.

It's a shame you seem to have taken it so very personally. I'm asking quite simply why you seem unable to debate without seeming so angry? It's a reasonable question - and asked deliberately before it gets out of hand as these things can often do, especially when people are equally passionate but on opposite sides of the fence.

who says anything about 'the argument I gave you' . You're arguing, not me. I'm putting over my thoughts and views.

My view is that as far as AW's addictions are concerned, she was 27 - she had had limited amount of years dabbling in A class drugs, and I strongly believe that if she wanted to get clean - she would have done so. I don't belive for one second that she gave a damn whether drugs killed her or not - her mind was set on one course of action.

Originally Posted by tmi (Post 4405558)

People are highlighting the fact she had drug problems, I think they should concentrate the music she left behind rather than her faults.

Originally Posted by tmi (Post 4405590)

Not getting involved Stu but using language is not the way to go:nono:
You will lose argument everytime, you remind of me when a I was younger,
I swore out of anger.

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 4405596)

Sorry Greg, must have misread :(

I think we all need to calm down :tongue:

Originally Posted by tmi (Post 4405590)

Not getting involved Stu but using language is not the way to go:nono:
You will lose argument everytime, you remind of me when a I was younger,
I swore out of anger.

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 4405596)

Sorry Greg, must have misread :(

I think we all need to calm down :tongue:

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 4405607)

It's good that you dropped it then. Your prose drips with far more eloquence now.

Originally Posted by Zee (Post 4405628)

Indeed... I understand that my blunt attitude towards the news of her death will annoy people who loved her and her music, but it's not about her music, it's about her celebrity status as a drug user - she's not been in the public eye for the past four years for being a musician, it's for being a drug addict, so I think it's completely fair to be blunt about that - it comes down to whether people are sympathetic towards drug addicts or not, and I fall under the latter category having seen people I once loved go through drug addiction despite attempts from the nearest and dearest to stop it from happening.

Originally Posted by tmi (Post 4405650)

My learned friend you learn has you go through life, I used to think the glass was half empty rather than half full:hugesmile: Im not patronising honest, Mid is force to be reckoned with, I have been on the receiving end but she is real gem.

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 4405653)

How can you simplify it so easily? It's not just a choice between musician and drug addict. Beneath both those lofty accolades lies a human being and that is who I am siding with.

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 4405674)

I like curse words. Simple. It's not just anger ... I use them all the time. I'm still better spoken than nine tenths of the members on here and what matters more? I'll pick a cursing, well read person any day of the week. I say that without reservation and with full knowledge of what a pretentious gargoyle it must make me sound like.

I'm an optimist myself. The glass has always been half full over at camp Stu. Not to sound awful because you seem like a nice person but I value proper punctuation and language far more than I do people who refrain from cursing. Your posts aren't exactly a tour de force of the English language. I don't expect them to be but christ. Perspective, please :).

Originally Posted by tmi (Post 4405689)

..carrying on cursing.:devil:

Originally Posted by Zee (Post 4405687)

I can simplify it so easily because she's not a person I know and love on a personal level, she's a celebrity, isn't that what society does with celebrities? We discuss them on a level that's separate from them as human beings - their fans "get to know them" on a personal level (as far as one can do so as a fan without actually knowing them) - but to most people, a celebrity is just a name and a face. That's personally how I can simplify it like that, I understand that others can't, but I can. The thread in Music dedicated to her musical contributions is for discussing her music, IMO, this is for discussing her death and her status as a celebrity addict because the working assumption seems to be that her death was drink/drugs related.