Originally Posted by Pyramid*
(Post 4972915)
I have sat here and read every post here and to be perfectly honest: I am pretty disgusted at the way some (many) posters on here are addressing Glenn.
He has his own opinion and has spent time explain why he has his views. I have seen no posts in which he has been disrespectful: yet he's been accused of that.
So far, I've seen him being cursed at, being told he is wrong, ignorant, doesn't know what he is talking about and god know what else - simply because he sees suicide in a different light to others on here.
What happened to respecting someone elses opinion - regardless of how controversial it may be? Is that no longer allowed on this forum without the person being sworn at and insulted in all manner of ways?
I for one, totally and completely understand exactly where Glenn is coming from. 100% understand. I understand because I have been there in fairly similar circumstances: as in 'this woman, the wife in this sad story' being left having to deal with not one suicide but two. - and I can tell you all quite categorically: that whilst no one can understand what depth of despair the suicidal person in, no one can be in the suicidal person's mind and appreciate what does drive them to make that final fatal decison: the twist in the knife is that it IS selfish to the one / ones that are left behind. There IS a degree of selfishness in the act. Is it cowardly to take your own life? yes, partly imo. It must also be one of the hardest things to do at the same time.
I can tell say with hand on heart - it leaves so much doubt that you yourself feel worthless, that in reality, you meant little to that person who took their own life, you are left feeling helpless because you perhaps didn't notice how bad they were, or could you have helped more, , you feel that you weren't able to help the one you loved, questions go unanswered, you feel completely abandoned by those you loved and that's before you even start to think about grieving for them. That's only touching the surface on how it feels. And here's the kick: that feeling never leaves you. EVER.
The person who takes their own life - having already experienced the pain a suicide has caused / is causing them: they know how hard it is to cope with (to the point that they cannot cope and elect for suicuide). They know those feelings that I've just mentioned above - and know them all too well.
To expect the person/s left behind to have to deal with double that feeling with a second suicuide - it's not saying that they aren't thinking of that person: but at that particular point in time, what they are thinking more of : is their OWN grief and how they cannot cope with it. Whether that be through feeling a failure as a parent, mixed with the grief, the hurt, the pain..... whatever goes on in their mind: That means more to them, than the other person they know they are going to leave behind. It's enough to make them follow the same terrible path.
I can see both points of view - those who take their own life: and those who are left behind.
But to berate Glenn in the manner that some of you are doing here because he has a strong opinion - and to speak to him in the manner that some are: is out of order.
I don't particularly care who agrees or disagrees with me - but that's my tuppeniesworth - I don't intend belittling, cursing or mocking anyone who doesn't share my opinon: I may not agree but I'll respect someone else thought and views.
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