Oh have you?
I do have to say things as I see them zee, if you feel I have been patronizing there's nothing I can do bout that but it was not my intention.

Shame Thatcher died. Just a few days after ATOS declared her fit for work too.

Patrick you're like 12 and hate people based on their nationality. Please don't call me ignorant, it's laughable. They were members of the IRA, hence the terrorist claim (not to mention their retaliation three years later in Brighton). "A few rights" =/= Northern Irish succession to Irish rule.

Of their five demands:

Only #3 and #4 were reasonable.

Yeah, for two years, I know my stuff :tongue: well that's alright then. I don't really have a decisive opinion swinging either way about her, I think she should be admired as much as she should be demonised. I think that's the thing with strong leadership types, they often commit the worst atrocities but they also bring about some real change. Politics is quite cyclical like that... people like to have things one way, then they want it the other way because things aren't working anymore...

:laugh2:

She was one of the most iconic politicians, not really a surprise she's dead, it seems she was ill for a few years.

Really quick and really good Nedusa.:hugesmile:

Think it's a bit easy to jump on the Thatcher hate bandwagon, and while a lot of people have legitimate reasons to dislike her I don't think people should forget the state that Britain was in when she took over. The power that the Trade Unions exerted was pretty ridiculous, and they didn't seem to care about the chaos and crippling endless strikes they were inflicting on the public. Also, if you take an example like mining, it is a shame how it turned out but it's not like Thatcher came to power with a rabid intent to destroy the industry out of spite; under Harold Wilson there was a mine closing every week, there were only 300 left by 1970 and when Thatcher came to power productivity was collapsing, and so was employment and sales, it was all but dead before she was elected.

Understatement of the century right there, but it leads nicely to this cartoon from tomorrows guardian...
https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys...3.2013-013.jpg

I would near agree with all that, she was right to curb the unions, the secondary picketing particularly.
I do feel there was an intention though to really get at the mining unions because of them bringing down the Conservative Govt in 1974.

Clearly however, Labour didn't give in that much to the Unions either since the strikes in 1978/9 were during the dying months of the Labour govt.

I think myself what she is most responsible for, is encouraging selfishness in people,an I am all right attitude and to blazes with near everyone else.
It is that element to her that would have turned me off voting for her.
Having said that I likely would have voted for her in 1979 though had I even been born and old enough.

Just watched the panorama interview with Robin Day from the 1987 election, I ahve to say she was impressive,I am not saying she was right but she was impressive and clearly a formidable opponent.

Yet another astute and coherent response from Matt. :love:

He's one of a few on here who always get me thinking as to an issue, always interesting to read his posts.

i too like to read his posts.

Thanks chaps

I disagree with him at least three-fifths of the time but at least he actually makes the effort to expand on his viewpoints and put together well-constructed arguments - unlike some, who make the most absurd statements and don't care to elaborate as if they were self-evident facts.

You as well, mind. :p

I just don't understand how anyone can demonise someone even when she's dead, and I certainly don't get this notion that Thatcher was the worst thing to happen to this country when we have the likes of David Cameron running this country right now.

Why should our opinion change on her now shes dead?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh my ****ing god

of all of the jokes, that's the best I've seen all day :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker: :joker:

I just think it's unfair that people are throwing vitriolic abuse at her - hasn't she just died? By all means, criticise her work but I don't see the merit in jumping on the hate bandwagon a few hours after her death, particularly not when her relatives must be going through grief right now.

I do think the hate I've seen around the internet it a little bit too much, I didn't like her, but some people take it a bit too far.

I'm pretty sure most of the people expressing dislike for her have always felt the same, her passing isn't going to change that.

Exactly. Fair enough if you didn't like her but I do believe she did what she perceived was best for this country. Expressing her shortcomings and flatly saying you hated her is fine. Going 'ding dong the witch is dead' or any of that other retarded nonsense is absolutely vile.

This.

Just because she's died it doesn't change what she did to the country and how people feel.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ff-Powell.html


Daily Mail suggesting there should of been a Minute Silence at the Football. :joker:

a great post!, the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth!.

The Guardian has said
she was positive.


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