Originally Posted by Black Dagger (Post 6450323)

there is no logic in thinking Alex, Jem and Tom were great housemates in BB12, so cya later.

Originally Posted by Black Dagger (Post 6450323)

there is no logic in thinking Alex, Jem and Tom were great housemates in BB12, so cya later.

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit (Post 6450340)

Also Jem tweeted this

Jemmapalmer Jemma palmer
lets get this strait if i diped a tampon in arons t i would hav gt kiked outof bb, thatis not my style i would rather resort to violence lol

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit (Post 6450305)

I mean it's Jack and Lucas plussing him, you can't find logic where there is none.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6446612)

k I wasn't going to rise to this but since it seems to be continuing let's dispel a few things

Firstly;



I stand by that even if some people seem to have overlooked it, I don't even dislike Jill, she's a really nice girl :shrug: in all honesty I was going to target Kat first since she's the most irrelevant of all of them but I figured no one was going to go along with that so Jillian was the next one who actually had some detractors

I was also barely even going to vote in this but since some seemed so against her being first out and couldn't fathom other people not liking other houseguests better and aimed to get Peter out first instead (not happening, I'll get onto that in a minute), so I thought I'd try and ensure she left first since others were doing the opposite. So now I've explained all that we can also forget the notion that I'm 'bitter' (she won the money not the game anyway but that's a different discussion)

Anyway on the subject of Peter no he wasn't worse than Jillian because his conceited, deluded attitude is what made him so hilarious. Nobody's saying he wasn't an idiot with a giant ego, but his over the top, narcissistic DR's were lolworthy and the season wouldn't have been half as good without them. The point was we were laughing at him, not with him. Every member of the cast had something to offer and that's why I love them as a group so much but to be quite honest without the likes of Peter, Gary, Suzette and to a lesser extent Alec and Tom (and then Jemmett) in particular, I really do think a lot of people would have given up half way. You need annoying people to actually dislike and want out, as dreadful as BB15 was at least I tuned in to constantly want Aaryn and Demanda out, tbh I wasn't interested once they'd gone since the rest were all just meh

Also, I really object to the idea that Jill was this amazing player that's been argued before because she wasn't. I'd say I watched more of the feeds than most on here and Emmett controlled her whole game, every single week when they were in that bloody HoH room she'd ask stuff like 'so what do I need to do?' and you can guarantee that whoever he told her to put up wouldn't have their keys pulled out come the nomination ceremony. She just constantly did what he asked her to, and the reason Emmett was such a good player (indisputably the best of the season) is because he got her to do his dirty work so that she had all the blood on her hands and not him. I mean she was also moronic enough to actually want to take him to the F2 when it would've been a guaranteed loss. Had she somehow convinced him to throw the F4 Veto to her and then shafted him at the last minute by taking Gary/Talla off the block and getting them to send him home, that would've been hilariously genius and I would've respected her game a lot more since none of them stood a chance against him. But no, she actually wanted a F2 with him, idc how much you like someone, you'll have wasted 10 weeks playing for $100k only to guarantee you're going to lose if you do that :conf:

Her social game was dreadful too since the amount of lies she told only to break them hours later and in doing so pissing off over half of the jury was ridiculous. Emmett's game was so good because he ensured that pretty much every houseguest left on good terms with him (+ he'd got Jill to do most of the dirty work) and she fell for it all.

Look, I respect her comp wins and I respect them as a power couple together (why the rest of the houseguests were dumb enough to keep them around idk so props to them) and had they reached the F2 together that would have been a deserved victory for them but Jill on her own is seriously overrated game wise since she was used by Emmett all season long. And I said all of this whilst the season was ongoing too, how people rated her as a player better than him idk

Plus, she wasn't interesting as a person in the slightest. And to be honest neither was Emmett on his own either, as a couple they were but as solos just no.

Emmett deserved to win out of the F4 (I wouldn't have wanted it vs Gary obv but it would have been merited), Jill would have only deserved it against Talla. Jemmett were better players than Gary but Jill wasn't, that's how I see it anyway

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6448875)

If that's supposed to be a dig because I live in the UK and would somehow take offence to BBUK being criticised then that failed since I too way preferred BBCAN :shrug: anyway I'm sure you're the one that a few weeks ago made a post criticising these +/- games but you can correct me if I'm wrong. Besides, my point in you've barely ever participated in these games and are choosing to do so now just to 'destroy' Peter in what is I'm sure an attempt at trying to get to me which in itself is just bizarre, it's just a forum game...

I've got the mouth on me? LOL yes I'm the person that said I was going to 'destroy' some reality TV contestant in a forum game, yes that really makes sense



Um have you actually read this thread or what? I've made it quite clear that I know they weren't good players, I never once said they were? The reason they were so good as houseguests is because they were wrapped up in their own delusion and it was hysterical to watch them embarrass themselves by thinking they controlled everything. I was laughing at them not with them, doesn't mean they weren't a big part of the season though, not game wise but contribution wise.

Most of the cast didn't even bother to play it was pathetic, was still a good show though. The best player was easily Emmett, Jemmett as a duo and then Gary. None of the others actually did anything so aside from those three we can hardly analyse anyone's games since there wasn't any in the first place

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6448890)

Okay then I respect that, but I personally don't decide my favourites on game alone, don't get me wrong it's an important aspect but not the only aspect. My favourites were Candice and Elissa in BB15, the former had barely any game and the latter had some, they were good to watch/rootable amongst the vile people. But then on the other hand since I've been watching all the previous seasons, Will is my favourite houseguest of all time and he was both a good player, funny and likeable.

I don't begrudge Andy his win since he was the best player after Scumanda left but that doesn't mean I like him as a person. I understand what you're saying though.

If we were ranking game in BBCAN, it would go:

Emmett > (Jemmett as a duo) > Gary > Jillian > Tom (by virtue of him being the only other one to bother playing, his game was crap though)

Then none of the others did anything else. But it was a good season because the cast were good to watch, if we ranked on contribution it'd be Gary > Peter > Suzette > Jemmett > Tom > Liza > Alec >

One other point I would make though is that I see BBCAN as a hybrid between BBUK and BBUS and I think they deliberately positioned it as that so as not to be a total carbon copy of the latter, hence the PowerShifts and secret missions. As a fan of the BBUS format I wasn't a fan of the Canadian influence looking back but I think it's important to differentiate BBCAN from BBUS because assuming they do the same kind of stuff next year, I think the two are different games and have to be viewed as and played differently. The US is strictly strategic whilst Canada is both strategic and a popularity contest with Canadian viewers.

I don't actually think that's necessarily a bad thing either, it's good to have a new kind of hybrid game. It's probably how I'd like BBUK to position the format if they wouldn't be up for taking on the US one completely. A compromise of the two would suffice.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6448910)

Oh I agree that they were there to play a game, I just don't think most of them bothered. As I said I think the only people that played were Jemmett, Gary and Tom...the rest didn't really do that much I don't think, hence why it felt more like a hybrid between BBUK and BBUS and is IMO why I think I fell in love with the format since I was eased into it with familiar BBUK aspects (I think the house took a lot of inspiration, the missions and food comps too, and the cast felt very BBUK like as well I think), had I started with BB15 I think I'd have been put off for life

What I will say though is that having watched a load of the feeds, I think almost half of the cast had seen BBUK? Alec and Peter are big fans, Gary and Andrew had seen it too and I think Suzette is a fan as well. There were quite a few in depth discussions about BBUK actually which was weird to hear but Alec was always pointing out how stuff the producers were doing in BBUK were being inspired from BBUK and saying he thought it was a good thing.

I still agree with a comment he made during the round table too in that even though Gary may have come back, the Canadian vote was still a competition and it's one he won so that has to be respected. He said that this wasn't BBUS, it was BBCAN and if that was an element of their show then that has to be taken into consideration and I agree really. If the PowerShifts continue next year then I think it's safe to say they want it to be a hybrid which is fine IMO, it just means it's a different kind of game with more of a popularity contest aspect and so that should be remembered when viewing I think. I'm a big fan of the pure BBUS game but if BBCAN wants to create some half-way kind of game then I think that's cool too, it's then three totally different formats for me to watch each year (strictly popularity with BBUK, strictly strategic with BBUS and a mixture of both with BBCAN).