Yes, I do think he meant it. I've said from the beginning that he was keeping a tight rein on himself.
I don't particularly want him to 'snap'. I'd like to see him show some of the personality that he is supposed to have. He comes across as a person who can give it but can't take it; thinks the house should revolve around his needs; is no fun at all; disapproves of nearly everything; acts like he's at least 10 years older than Lionel.
He's just a grumpy old goat with little entertainment value. Surely that's not what made him a legend - he must be so afraid of letting go that he can't enjoy himself.

So we can't base opinion on what others say about him, what's been written about him, what he's done previously or what he says about himself in the house....
What can we pass comment on?

Yes, we are told we should judge him by what he says and does in the house, then when we do we are told he didn't mean it or he's being unfairly goaded.
He's a first class wind up merchant himself but nobody should give it back to poor wee wickle Jim. :rolleyes:

How in the name of entertainment is Jim great in the house? Do people watch CBB nowadays to see cantankerous old moans sitting about looking disgruntled and peevish? :shocked:

You might not like him Jet ,but please afford us the courtesy of conceding other people do ,not all of us watch BB for the same reasons,personally I don't find squealing sexually loose people entertaining, different strokes for different folks ,so I for one will agree to disagree.I've liked him in the house and found him funny even his grumpy bits.

Erm you pretty much are, as soon as you found out about his past, you thought he should be hung, drawn & quartered!

You have not exactly said why his behaviour in the house makes you hate him, other than you have a 'gut feeling' about him, so your judgement has been completely about what you have read about his past! :facepalm:

Okay then, I'll concede that for you. :kiss:

I don't find squealing loose people or sulky old farts entertaining. I'm a discerning CBB viewer. :tongue: :joker:

You don't like Jim, jet? I had you down as 'undecided'.......................................

Actually I have. Over and over again for the benefit of those who don't read much. :bored:
By the way, I dislike him, I don't hate him.

:joker:

Come on now, its not THAT obvious. :joker:

5.15pm: Jim is pretending to fish in the pool. It's comical stuff

Jet ,can I ask do you like Jasmine?

...I think the reasons why some people don’t find anything to respect about Jim are quite valid, understandable and not at all ‘rumour or gossip’ because they’re things he has admitted to and the main one for me is his violence with females, which I personally find abhorrent in anyone, he also behaved very badly in Hell’s Kitchen...I do understand that people can change but then for me to support him or be a fan, then he would have to ‘show change’ which I can’t see that he has..he’s walked away from a few situations which could have been even more damaging to him had he reacted to them, I’m sure he knows that, so he did the right thing for himself ..whether that indicates a change or a containment, none of us know so we just go with what we think....whether he’s won back any popularity through being on CBB or even if it’s enough to win..?..I don’t really care tbh because for me that isn’t the issue and wouldn’t make him a better or changed person ...only being a better and changed person would make him that ....

Maybe,Just maybe,We should all stop trying to change each others opinions on him and accept that some people like him and some don't?

...stop with your silly notions, you...trouble-maker..:tongue:....

No, I don't. I just like Ollie, Lionel and Sam really.

It happens with every HM. Why should Jim get special treatment?

No you aren't told you have to do anything what others have said is that they form opinions on the way housemates are during their time on BB.

No, I was referring to being told, "You should judge him for his time in the house". Not by all, but by some.

But Jim told Luisa he was a male chauvinist and was keeping his mouth shut and behaving in the house.

He's just bull****ting viewers so I judge him on his behaviour outside seeing as he told Luisa he purposely wasn't being himself, something needs to happen to make his true colours come out as we have only seen glimpses of it.

If he's not going to play the game and show who he really is then its a waste of Channel 5's fee to be honest.

Exactly! For some reason people don't seem to pick up on these conversations or if they do and agree with it then they're support him being fake and not wanting to be there.

That's what I feel about Jim .He has not demonstrated he is a changed man ,he is just performing in the house .

Of course! Keep in mind the reason he went on the show to begin with.

..tbh, I don’t know if he’s ‘performing’ or not..if he hadn’t changed then it would certainly be too damaging for him to show that and I’m sure he’s hoping to improve his public image but that doesn't mean to say that it is a 'performance' ..I’m not really waiting for him to ‘lose it’ either because that would also be an extreme that I don’t think he would do...unlike the normal BB, I think that all of us have preconceived opinions of celebrity housemates and especially the more controversial ones ...and if those opinions are negative then we only change them through their behaviour in the house...and so far, I haven’t seen anything of Jim’s behaviour that would change my opinion, which is a judgement of his time in the house because it’s a judgement that there is nothing I can see that I could support as a housemate...

They are all on the show to either improve or boost their images in one way or another.