Could you explain your reasoning then please livia?
If a man is capable of acheiving an erection whilst drunk can he truly be that 'out of control'? If so then why is this not used as defence in rape cases?
' It wasn't my fault I was drunk and out of control when I raped that woman' It just wouldn't wash.

'When he came to pass sentence the judge said: ".... [the complainant] was in no position to form a capacity to consent to sexual intercourse, and you, when you arrived, must have realised that."

https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-...-chedwyn-evans

Oldham have made a real mess of this anyway, released this statement to basically say there will be no statement:

A lot of their fans speculating that they had signed him last week and are now desperately trying to get out of it after the backlash

I think the PFA and the FA need to step up and clarify matters from a playing perspective. Given the high profile and celebrity status the players in the top leagues attract, there should be a ruling that states any player convicted of any serious offense cannot continue to play football professionally.

This is harsh but crimes like rape, serious assault, murder, etc must make it untenable for players to pick up as before as nothing had really changed.

No I'm sorry but if you commit a crime of this gravity then your playing days in this country are over.

So if Ched Evans does not overturn his conviction then I think he should never play professional football in this country again.





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saying they pull out
looks like he will not get the job , again

Don't see why not when murderers are allowed to compete in the olympics tbh

[QUOTE=Nedusa;7448599]Well if you look at the transcripts from the trial not everyone is convinced he is guilty of rape.

Courts, Judges and Juries are not infallibe and mistakes very occasionally do happen.

So maybe Mr Evans and his family and legal team do think his conviction is unsafe and that certain evidence was not made available to the court or the jury.

Maybe that is why he cannot admit guilt.. Maybe there is more to this story than just the question of whether a convicted rapist should play football again.



I have to agree here.

He is convinced and states he didn't commit the crime, there is enough 'uncertainty' as to that to warrant it being looked into again.

So really, since he is still protesting the conviction, why on earth would he then admit to and say sorry for commitiing the crime.
That would not make sense and if the case once it is looked at again comes back saying he was wrongly convicted in the first place, then there is going to be a lot of egg on faces.

He could say he was sorry for any distress for this action but that he misread the signals or whatever.

I do agree with Kizzy that the lady has the right to choose who she does anything with but it does seem very odd and suspicious to me that she would willingly go into a room with one or more men in it and carry out any acts at all with any of them in front of the other/s.

I am against rape totally but I have seen friends wrongly accused of same by jealous ex girlfriends and others trying to destroy peoples lives and/or careers.

What disturbs me here however is, this witchhunt going on hysterically against him on social media and others out to block him ever likely working in football again.
Football is riddled with players doing wrong,if he is playing football he is playing it with other men,hardly likely to re-offend there.
I find it worrying that now he has been deemed to be released that such things are allowed to take place.

He is at present convicted of rape, he has been to prison, he is now out and has to report at times due to the sexual nature of the conviction.
That doesn't mean he will do it again,after all this hoo ha he would be crazy to even put himself in a situation where he could be even be suspected of it.
It is a very worrying thing that if someone has been punished by the law and then deemed with conditions to be safe to be released,that he can be hounded like this and also any clubs that may even want to try to give him another chance get threatened and hounded too.
That is what I find distasteful.

Rape is a horrific crime,anyone guilty of it, male or female should be punished by the law.
This further vindictive hounding of an individual however after satisfying the punishment meted out in law, isn't the way forward.
I say again, if it is found he was wrongly convicted in the first place then all these sorry goings on will be blight on justice for a fair while to come.

So I would give him the chance to play again or be involved with football if I owned a club, I would have him watched like a hawk to protect the club and hope the case being looked at again comes with that he was wrongly convicted in the first place.
To be honest, I myself actually have a feeling that is probably going to be the outcome of that looking into this conviction again too.

Having read a (very small) bit about the case facts just now, I am not convinced he even raped her tbh. Very odd sounding case.

I agree very odd case with one of the accused acquitted of rape and the other found guilty yet they both insist they had consensual sex. I struggle to understand how a jury could find one guilty and totally aquit the other.

Maybe evidence has been withheld or the jury is misinformed or mislead , I don't know but a conviction of rape has changed this man's life forever.

Maybe a retrial is the answer.






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..I don't think that it is black and white but having read the court transcripts, it seems that the different verdicts with the two is because McDonald had met her in the street and they went back to the hotel room together so consent was a possibility...'element of doubt' I guess...but the medical experts felt that consent was unlikely with Evans due to her alcohol/drug levels...personally I do think that the guilty verdict with him was correct from reading it..and also that he took people to video it..?..so he had foreseen having sex with her before he went..?..and all od the appeals were thrown out...


..anyways, I still think that he's served his sentence and should be allowed to play football if a club is willing to take him on..otherwise what is the point of rehabilitation..I know that's a very emotional situation for the victim and I have every sympathy with her but justice has been served...he wouldn't be the first person to have a public career after being found guilty of a serious crime...wasn't Leslie Grantham convicted of murder..?..yeah it is hard for victims and their families but these happen to be the professions and sometimes those professions will be more 'public'...

As far as I know she hadn't had any more to drink than when she met McDonald though, with whom she apparently initiated sex. I don't think he had taken friends there to film it either, they were on there way to the police station because they needed to explain an incident that had happened with one of their friends when Evans got the text, and according to him they diverted because McDonald might want to come with them to the station or because he thought it'd be funny if he knew the girl. Once Evans had gone to the room the others started messing around trying to find the room from outside. Completely wrong of them but the sort of thing you could imagine happening. Both Evans and McDonald had had a threesome together in the past and both insist that they'd asked the girl if he could join in before he did, and she can't say either way whether they did or not because she apparently has no recollection. The night porter stopped outside the room and could hear people having sex but thought it didn't sound like anything untoward. You might say that even if they did ask and she agreed that she was too drunk to consent but then that just shows how ambiguous it all is, surely it's asking a lot for a man who himself has had a lot to drink to make such a judgement call as to whether the consent he's got was able to be given?

It's sorta strange how strongly public opinion has swayed because I remember in the months leading up to the trial that it seemed unlikely he would end up convicted. Even when he went down Sheffield United supported him in prison and he was visited by the chairman and by three successive managers continually giving the impression he'd be entitled to a return straight away. Then after his release it suddenly all blew up, and now it's gone out of control. It seems that even if people do think he can return to football now they have to qualify that by saying what a scumbag rapist he is.

You're right though he wouldn't be the first, not even in football. The current captain of Plymouth, Luke McCormick, killed two children while he was drink driving. Lee Hughes who plays for my local club also has a death by dangerous driving conviction. Marlon King has had numerous convictions, including one for sexual assault, and still returned to football each time (he's actually in prison right now for another dangerous driving conviction). I really think the way Evans has been hounded doesn't reflect well on society that someone can be punished on top of what has been decreed by the legal system. His fate is essentially being decided now by social media, by online petitions and campaigns. God knows why the likes of Ed Miliband have felt it their place to try and dictate his future, it's crazy.

Just read this in an article on this case......
"The police arrested both Ched and Clayton at the station, they acknowledged that the only evidence that sexual activity had taken place was their admission. There was no complaint of rape, no forensic evidence, no injury and no complaint.

Finally it should be noted that the burden of proof in criminal law lies with the Prosecution and that in order to gain a conviction the Prosecution must prove ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ that a crime was committed i.e. the Jury has to be sure an offence has taken place. Essentially, this means that following the submissions of the Prosecution if there remains any doubt that a crime has been committed the accused must be acquitted. It is not for the accused to prove his innocence"

I am baffled as to how any jury could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Ched Evans raped this woman ?

And like a lot of people who look into this case are shocked that any prosecution was actually brought . If you read the details of this case I'm sure you will agree something very odd going on.

I would suggest that a retrial now is urgently needed as this rape conviction looks extremely unsafe?






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'The complainant, who was 19 years old'

'The CCTV footage showed that while she was inside the kebab shop she was unsteady on her feet, at one point she fell over and landed on the floor. On the other hand, outside the kebab shop she could be seen eating pizza from a large box, although she was also seen to stumble, squat, lose her balance, and walk unsteadily. Indeed, she left her handbag in the shop. Based on this evidence, the prosecution case was that she was very drunk.'

'At some time shortly before 4am McDonald became separated from the group of friends. The complainant seems to have wandered into his path. They had a conversation and got into a taxi. The taxi driver thought that her upper clothing was somewhat dishevelled. The taxi driver took them to the hotel, where the applicant had booked and paid for a room in McDonald's name. During the taxi journey McDonald sent a text message to the applicant telling him that he had "got a bird" or words to that effect.'

The prosecution case was that the applicant had booked the room at the hotel with the main or sole purpose of procuring a girl or girls later that night. According to the Crown's case, both men were on the look-out for any girl who was a suitable target. The complainant had literally stumbled across McDonald's path.

'In the meantime, no doubt in answer to the message that he had received from McDonald, the applicant arrived at the same hotel with two other male friends. He persuaded the night porter to give him a key card to the room occupied by McDonald and the complainant. He said that he had booked the room for a friend who no longer needed it. The applicant entered the room'

The applicant's two companions remained outside the hotel. They looked through the bedroom window and filmed what was taking place with a mobile telephone

'After about half an hour McDonald left the hotel via the reception. He had a brief word with the night porter, telling him that he should look out for the girl in room 14 (the room in question) because she was sick. The applicant did not leave by the front door; he went out by an emergency exit. McDonald and the applicant met up outside and they returned to the applicant's home.'

There's one word that springs to mind here... predatory.

https://www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-...-chedwyn-evans

Blokes booking a hotel room in the hope of scoring isnt anything new though

'Suitable target'...the prosecution adding that part just makes it sound awful. Its only opinion

The filming part is terrible though, if the girl didnt know about it. Again though, sadly not that uncommon

When questioned in the police station it should be noted that neither of the accused had ejaculated during sex as a result of which the police had no forensic evidence to link either man to the sexual act, nor did the police have a complaint of rape. Regardless of this, both men gave a full account of their actions to the police. On 26th July 2011 the police charged both Clayton and Ched with rape.

The statement above which is fact means that there were three people in the room , Ched his friend Clayton and the complainant, both men admitted having consensual sex with her, she did not remember nor did she report a rape or a suspected rape. No forensic evidence could prove intercourse had taken place .

So two drunken men have sex with a drunken woman, and suddenly allegations of rape are pulled out of thin air, unsubstantiated, unprovable.

Where have these rape claims come from ? Possibly from interested 3rd parties looking for a large payoff ?

But how could the CPS ever think there was a rape case here , and how on earth could a judge think any jury could find beyond a reasonable doubt that a rape had taken place ?

But most puzzling of all.......

HOW THE HELL COULD ANY JURY BRING A GUILTY VERDICT.....!!!!!!!

No wonder this Man denies the claim, absolute shocking travesty of justice.

More mainstream media sources need to start highlighting the above instead of continually repeating the mantra of
" Ched Evans..... Convicted Rapist"

The media telling the truth... how unusual.

Well yeah technically he is a convicted rapist..but I can't get my head round how a jury decided there was no doubt whatsoever in this, especially given the girl knows nothing at all (apparently) of what went on. I really thought the burden of proof was on the accuser. I don't see how this can be anything except 'he says, she says'

There was seen to be a difference between having sex with the first guy which it was found she consented to ( as she accompanied him to a hotel was seen speaking with him and such by witnesses) and then the footballer turning up without her knowledge and him joining in whilst getting his mates to film it then sloping off through the side door.

Nonsense.....

There is no more proof that the first guy did not rape her whilst the second guy did.
Again I say.... There is no proof of rape by any means ie nobody complained of rape, there was no evidence of rape forensic or otherwise, nobody heard violent screams of rape ...... There was NO rape .

For a jury to deliver a guilty verdict ie beyond a reasonable doubt is utterly ridiculous and I for one now think this whole fiasco is a travesty of justice.

As for the people filming it well that's even more ludicrous I mean if they thought it was rape why would they film it ? Surely they then could be charged with aiding and abetting a rape.

They were all pretty drunk and jokingly tried to film some of the goings on through the window on a mobile phone.

Nobody was thinking this was a rape.....

This story astounds me as shakes my faith in British justice.

This is surely a miscarriage of justice , one that needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.

My thoughts go out to Ched Evans and his family for having to endure this nightmare.



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If it was that black and white why even have a trial... what's some harmless voyeurism between friends?

My point exactly, there was no need for a trial as no crime had been reported by anybody , nor was there any evidence of any crime. In fact it appears a crime was concocted to fit the situation , sold to the complainant and then persued by the authorities .

Strangest court case I have come across in years.




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http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/s...67__voyeurism/

Maybe their little home vid was what damned ol ched? It's not easy getting into prison these days, you may see it as a jolly jape by some young bucks but the victim, the jury and the judge obviously not.

there was no proof of anything...additonal;ly he has every right to return to work

..I don't get that though Nedusa because she did phone the police as soon as she woke up in the hotel room and couldn't remember going there etc...I don't think that she reported rape as such because that's the point and why consent was doubtful..she had no recollection of any of it so how could she have consented..?..that's not me btw saying that but what the court findings were with Chad and the reason it was different with McDonald is that she had approached him so consent was possible../element of doubt...


..also this case is more complicated as opposed to someone who may have accused someone of rape because they had regrets about something for the very reason that she didn't make any rape accusations when she called the police...their investigations led to that, surely..?...

..I can't see anything that says how much both of the men had to drink that night...that was also an awful lot, then..?..I can't see anything either about them all going to the police station to report an incident but then I haven't really followed the case and just read the transcript from the trial so that was probably something revealed earlier..(I think..) that the initial report from her was that she thought that her drink had been spiked, which actually I have to say..(not by either of them though..)...that's what I was thinking but there was no evidence of that from blood test results and then when the police knew that two footballers had booked the hotel room/and her suspicions of a spiked drink and the sexual activity..it is possible that links were made that might have been incorrect ..

...I do understand and agree that if they had all been drinking similar amounts of alcohol..how could their judgement of the situation have been clear but I guess the difference is that they are saying it was clear by saying she did give consent..I mean they're not saying that they think or interpreted that she did...whereas she's saying that she doesn't remember..she didn't accuse anyone etc...only the police can decide whether a charge will be made..(I believe..)..so they made that decision based on the evidence they had and it could have been dropped with the absence of an accusation from her and yet wasn't..?...yeah, most definitely not black and white at all....

..but I do agree that the way Evans is now being petitioned against and hounded by the media does not reflect well at all..it kind of takes it a step further from trial by media because he's already been convicted and served his sentence...to another level of..'we will try to intervene and influence in the rest of your life because the judicial system id not enough..'...this is really so wrong and worrying....