Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7420408)

The best kind of terrorist: a dead one.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7420025)

Why are you all so shocked, surprised, horrified?

Do you all think that I invest precious time in putting long posts on various related threads on here because I'm some type of obsessive, anti-Muslim cretin who has 'nothing better to do'?

This will never stop.
Every country in the world is their target.
Innocent civilians, women and children are their targets.
No life is sacred to them.

We cannot reason with them.
We cannot appease them.
We cannot pacify them.

They do want money and there is no 'ransom' which we can pay because none is being sought by them, except one - the total capitulation by our democratically elected governments, a total submission to Islam by our people, and a total acceptance of a miserable existence of life under Sharia Law -- for those who are not executed first because they are deemed by these extremists as too 'offensive' to Allah and too 'infidel' to live.

This is not a 'Movie' which is 'coming to a cinema near you soon' - it's reality, but it is a reality which is definitely coming to a town or city near you soon nonetheless.

It's here. It's happening. It's real. Better get 'used' to it.

Millions of pounds spent on 'extra security', the killing of a lone Jihadist gumnan, or the capture of a few Islamic Fundamentalist plotters living right among us in our cities and suburbs, is all worthy and welcoming, but is merely alleviation of the symptoms, not addressing the evil cause of this terminal disease.

That cause is Islamic Fundamentalism.

But it is no great secret.

Their 'Hate' preachers have been screaming it from dais and rostrums within virtually every city in the UK for decades. We have ignored or tolerated it.

Their jihadists have been practising it on our city streets increasingly over the past few years - the accosting and intimidation of 'non Muslim' passers by, the slaying of off duty soldiers and innocent civilians. We are shocked by each individual incident -- but separated by space and time (like my helium balloon analogy in another thread) we do not 'join the dots', do not pay heed to the very real underlying meaning of the links, and each individual 'shocking' incident becomes yesterday's news as we return our attention to coping with life's other more mundane demands.

Their long ensconced 'fifth columnist' agents have - covertly, almost imperceptibly - been implementing parts of their 'Grand Plan' for decades in the UK - changes to our Western Democratic liberal way of life on all levels -- to policy in schools, local government, National Government, even our traditions and customs. But viewed independently and separated by space and time (like my helium balloon analogy in another thread) these changes seem so trivial that we do not 'join the dots', do not pay heed to the very real underlying meaning of the links, do not 'see the big picture' which such seemingly insignificant changes are but part of.

This isn't fantasy. It's fact.

And the really sad thing is - that we cannot win.

We cannot win while ever we continue to treat the inhuman, barbaric demons behind these atrocities as human, and while ever we continue to shackle ourselves with misguided oh so 'civilised' and noble policies in dealing with these insane murderers.

To quote Capone (Robert De Niro) in the film 'The Untouchables':

"When you got an all-out prizefight, you wait until the fight is over, one guy is left standing. 'N' that's how you know who won."

And to bastardise the words of Malone (Sean Connery) from the same film:

"Ain't that just like a Westerner - Brings a knife to a gunfight".

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 7420514)

Oh he's dead? Did they give him a chance to give himself up first like that cinema dude?

#stopterrorism

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus (Post 7420544)

What do you think they had been trying to do for upwards of 16 hours?

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus (Post 7420597)

3 people now confirmed dead

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7420454)

I think more and more people will start to take this whole situation more seriously as these types of attacks occur closer and closer to home. If God forbid an incident like this one were to happen on British Mainland and it resulted in the death of innocent members of the public (Non Muslims I would assume) then I think people would for the first time realise that we are ALL potential victims and that the whole Radical Muslim thing cannot be ignored by anyone any longer.

I would expect there would be a horrific backlash which as it would more than likely be targetted directly towards innocent Muslims, would result in the Muslim community also finally waking up to the evil in our midst.

Then and only then would the people of this Country all united against this evil finally have a chance to bring out the poison let it be made public in all it's insidious forms.

It would take an event like this to finally, actually wake people up from their stupor to see what is happening to their culture.




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Originally Posted by Creggle (Post 7420739)

No terrorist survived? Shame. Would of liked to see him get exported to America and go in to CIA custody. I hope to god people wake up after this attack and realise that we need to get information about other planned attacks, and none of that weak ass waterboarding nonsense neither.

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus (Post 7421182)

Yeah shame we couldn't torture an unhinged individual acting alone for information about groups that he has no actual contact or affiliation with. The idea that all extremists are part of a highly organised and coherent command structure is a convenient idea but an inaccurate one. Kinda similar to the idea that the more brutal the torture the better information you get; convenient but false.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7421290)

With respect MTVN, you don't know he was unhinged nor whether he has contact or affiliation with extremist groups. There's a pretty good chance that only the bit about him being unhinged is a fair assumption but contact and affiliation with a larger group is a distinct possibility. While he acted alone, there's more than a good chance that others were involved on the periphery. He was known to the security services, only the equality of the law was keeping him free when really, he should have been banged up long before this happened.

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus (Post 7421182)

Yeah shame we couldn't torture an unhinged individual acting alone for information about groups that he has no actual contact or affiliation with. The idea that all extremists are part of a highly organised and coherent command structure is a convenient idea but an inaccurate one. Kinda similar to the idea that the more brutal the torture the better information you get; convenient but false.

Originally Posted by The Geordie Jesus (Post 7421182)

Yeah shame we couldn't torture an unhinged individual acting alone for information about groups that he has no actual contact or affiliation with. The idea that all extremists are part of a highly organised and coherent command structure is a convenient idea but an inaccurate one. Kinda similar to the idea that the more brutal the torture the better information you get; convenient but false.