That's even more bizarre than the suggestion our own government did the bombing at Manchester. As far as I'm concerned anyone promoting this nonsense loses all credibility, if the independent had any to begin with. It's not really worthy of the response I'm giving it.

What is with this desperation to suggest the cause of such atrosities was anything but Islamic extremist terroism? Has PC really gone that crazy?

I don't know about the long term view, but the Manchester bombing could have been stopped, if they had arressted the toe rag who did it as soon as he came back from Syria. The intelligence services KNEW he had gone to Syria to join isis and knew when he came back. First off, he shouldn't have been allowed back in, but if they allowed it they should have arrested him.

Islamists have been setting off bombs in the UK since 2005. For the past 12 years we have been watching these atrocities unfold and both governments, New Labour and the Conservatives have made numerous promises every time people get killed and injured.

Its still happening. We still hear that the terrorist was being watched before the act or the terrorist had connections with ISIS after the event. Whatever these governments do doesn't work because people are still dying.

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I keep hearing this on here, so I went off to research it. Papers like The Sun, DM and Express are spreading this ridiculous propaganda with a full understanding it will create mass hysteria.

ISIS have no interest in populating the West. They equally have no interest in flying their flag over Westminster. ISIS want two things from the West and that's to tighten immigration rules and do this by unsettling us.

ISIS are relatively small army who have been losing more and more ground recently. The one thing they are experts in is spreading fear and propaganda. Back on their own turf they have no capabilities to fight western forces. They have no planes, they have no air capabilities, so they are getting hammered and losing territory every day. One way they can defeat being bombed by coalition forces is to use ground retaliation on the West, so this is a mixture of revenge, 'an eye for an eye' and a clear message that we can't put systems in place that will deter terrorist acts, no matter what government.

ISIS want to dominate the middle east, not the West. They see the West as the enemy who is systematically destroying their mission. They know that every terrorist act committed over here gives us all that alarming message that they are walking among us... that there are more of them than there are.

Because we are told to believe its disrespectful and because we are told that its an unforgivable thing to say, peoples opinions are shut down.

There were many relatives of people killed in the twin towers that suspected it was some sort of government plot and yet all the bystanders were told it was disrespectful. Were the victims (the relatives and friends) being disrespectful to have such thoughts?

More muslim people need to stand up to the terrorists like the ones in this video.

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4New...3464748691939/

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you're talking as if there is some kind of intelligent or reasonable basis for people to consider this conspiracy. there is not, it is unnescessary and everyone should be rightfully dismissing it.

Obviously I'm thinking of the former.

For me personally I think trying to negotiate something could be good if we had someone like Tony Blair who can negotiate with Terrorists.

What's your thoughts on Corbyn having blood on his hands according to The Sun?

The thing is if people look away from the emotional angle for the victims for a second, it is possible that May and Trump could use terrorism to save their butts as their policies haven't been very popular so they have actual motive to be behind a terrorist attack (or in Trump's case stage a false terrorist attack) so it's not as crazy as some are making it out to be.

For me personally I can't help but have some doubt with May because of the timing, I'm leaning on 85% innocent and 15% guilty as my gut is telling me that she didn't help cause it, and I honestly hope that she's innocent as I care about what happens to this country and I really wouldn't want Europe to see us as Laos who uses genocide on it's own citizens to win Elections. But I despite my gut and hope telling me that she can't have done it, there is that small doubt for me as it's the timing of it, it's too coincidental, but on the other hand I don't see May as an evil person.

what the heck is that all about?
this was done by an islamic terrorist

I'm not saying that May is involved or that Bush was involved with 9/11, but they do/did have motive to be behind the attacks, it's just if you think that they're corrupt enough to do such a thing.

So you honestly think that there is no possibility that the person who was losing support conveniently has a terrorist attack happen only a few days later? As I've said I honestly hope that she hasn't dragged the country down the ****ter like that, but for there to actually be a motive shows that there is intelligent thinking behind it, I honestly don't think that anybody wants it to be true but there is intelligent thinking behind why people would think that she'd be behind it.

I'm honestly hoping out of the two choices that your view is simply just what it was.

Mock,there is NO WAY any political party is responsible for this,I can't believe you think there is even a hint.

The timing of it is my only doubt, it really is weirdly timed that the attack happened when she was losing ground on all of the polls.

As I said I really hope that she didn't do it, and she seems more like an idiot to me than someone that's pure evil, but my feelings of why I think that there is a reason why she could be involved is something I think would be better to explain if I was in person than on the Internet as it can come off alot more clinical on text.

'Look, my lead has gone from 20 points in the polls to 15 points, better hastily arrange someone to blow up some kids!!'

Hmm wouldn't put it past Tezza.

(joking obvs before I get lynched)

So this is going to be something that I know most people on here won't agree with. But I think that right now, more than ever, we need to have people be brave and say things without worrying what people say.

I think the first and most important thing is that we stop giving ****ing weapons to people who will use them against us. Like really, I don't care who thought this was a good idea and how much money it makes, I just think it's ridiculous.

Secondly, there's hundreds of thousands 'radical Muslims' out there... it is CRAZY to think that we can beat them alone. This is something that the whole world needs to come together to do. War sucks. It truly does and yes, innocent people are killed during wars, but look at all the innocent people killed in these terrorist events every single day! It's horrific. It truly is.

I said that the most important thing was to stop giving weapons to those who will use them against us, but I realised there's something that else that is just as important... education.

We (the rest of the world), once the Middle East is stable (something that would likely take decades) need to help educate the younger generation. We need to help them become more up to date with a modern lifestyle. I'm not saying we like go over there and force them to believe in stuff like gay marriage and feminism lol, but to learn and have a basic education and not be forced into Learning all the barbaric stuff Isis teaches them.

I know this sounds awful and I'm not the best at explaining my thoughts, but I have to go back to work now and I hope this makes sense.

Actually it dropped from 24 points to 9 points.

Also, actually deporting the people who are being watched because of 'suspicious activity' would be a good start too. I know there's only so much our intelligence is allowed to do, but I believe they should be allowed to push for these 'suspicious' individuals to be deported. Esp the ones who travel to and from the Middle East very often.

And the reason they're losing territory in Iraq is the UK and US airforce.The Iraqi army are **** on their own.They get scared and desert.ISIS overun them.
If we leave them to grow they will get more territory,richer,bigger,more advanced weaponary.They already have their own currency.
Don't kid yourself.If they could they'd love to take a European city.Now yes they'd never get past northern Syria or Turkey and if by a miracle they did they'd be wiped out within days but the intent is there.
They already control a port in Libya.There's the black flag hanging off a building there and boats sat there.That means they have access to the Mediterranean and easy access into Europe among all the economic migrants.
We can't just leave them to get on with it.

Oh and they're not that primitive militarily -
Among ISIS’s arsenal are portable air defence systems, guided anti-tank missiles and armoured fighting vehicles, as well as assault rifles like the Russian AK series and the US M16 and Bushmaster.

Start by listening to what these Islamists are saying, and start to take their threats seriously. Because they say what they want to achieve, and what they are going to do to achieve it, and as we keep seeing, they actually carry out those threats.

That would be a good place to start.

All a bit silly really. Not at all down to two choices.
The headlines stopped the Corbyn IRA stuff that is/will no doubt be front page shortly, so is there any chance you could blame him?
See, just to daft to contemplate really.