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Novo 13-06-2017 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9359081)
Yep I have been astounded by the hate on here at a democraticly elected party. I feel sorry for any members from NI that they have had to put up with it.

Sickening

Build my Gallows for new National Anthem LT? Make the Liberals stand and applaud democracy in all its glory

MB. 13-06-2017 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9359113)
Well, those that voted for labour forced it to happen, so no point blaming anyone else :shrug:

Funnily enough, I don't recall "Labour + the DUP" being on my ballot paper... are you saying that our only option to avoid a Tory/DUP coalition was to vote Tory? Yes, that sounds wonderfully fair :think:

Crimson Dynamo 13-06-2017 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MB. (Post 9359088)
You appear to be confusing democracy with immunity from criticism, which is kind of the opposite

Incorrect. I am pretty sure that I can distinguish between criticism and sheer prejudice based on arrogance and hate

Brillopad 13-06-2017 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MB. (Post 9359083)
And right there you've summed up the DUP in a nutshell

Nope just the intellectual Labour youth. A picture tells a thousand words.

Brillopad 13-06-2017 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9359086)
Can you paste the full article Brillo. You've read it, right? Others cant read it unless they're subscribed to the website, which you deffo are, right?

It appeared as the full article when I posted it. Unfortunately it is not the case now for those have not subscribed. Not much I can do about that.

Withano 13-06-2017 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9359113)
Well, those that voted for labour forced it to happen, so no point blaming anyone else :shrug:

Those who voted for a party that would even consider the fascist cluster**** could be a good place to start :umm2:

Withano 13-06-2017 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9359155)
It appeared as the full article when I posted it. Unfortunately it is not the case now for those have not subscribed. Not much I can do about that.

Mhmm convenient.

Jack_ 13-06-2017 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9359176)
Those who voted for a party that would even consider the fascist cluster**** could be a good place to start :umm2:

Don't be silly, the last seven weeks have taught us that The Casino Party can do no wrong.

Brillopad 13-06-2017 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9359177)
Mhmm convenient.

Anyone can subscribe for free for one article a week. There you go with the usual paranoia and attempts to undermine. The article is there and like anything of quality it costs - in money or effort.

It certainly exposes the left for the total hypocrites they are and the reasons for their hysteria. Great article! Read or not - no skin off my nose.

JTM45 13-06-2017 11:18 PM

Yep, as i thought, the Right-wingers who clung to the BS ''Terrorist Sympatizer'' thing like a life-jacket on The Titanic have no real justification of the Tories being that desperate to get into bed with a neo-fascist hate Party who supported terrorists and unappologetically employ Armed Robber thugs.

I obviously missed the small-print that explained why the Tories shouldn't have to be held accountable for their behaviour and standards ofdecency like Labour and Corbyn constantly are (even if that means misconstruing/misreprersenting facts).

bots 13-06-2017 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 9359209)
Yep, as i thought, the Right-wingers who clung to the BS ''Terrorist Sympatizer'' thing like a life-jacket on The Titanic have no real justification of the Tories being that desperate to get into bed with a neo-fascist hate Party who supported terrorists and unappologetically employ Armed Robber thugs.

I obviously missed the small-print that explained why the Tories shouldn't have to be held accountable for their behaviour and standards ofdecency like Labour and Corbyn constantly are (even if that means misconstruing/misreprersenting facts).

Thats just complete rubbish. These are democratically elected MP's that have been representing their constituencies for many years at Westminster. The only point that anyone has said anything against them is now, when they are supporting a party labour don't agree with.

As democratically elected MP's they are as entitled as anyone to vote for whatever they wish. That is democracy

JTM45 13-06-2017 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9359233)
As democratically elected MP's they are as entitled as anyone to vote for whatever they wish. That is democracy

I'm sure in the 'Big Book of Democracy' it doesn't just say ''MP's can vote for whatever they wish''.:laugh:

''Please Sir..............can i vote for Marshmallow Elephants ?''.........''No ?''.........''but the democracy expert on TIBB said i could vote for whatever i wish''.:laugh3:

I'm sure next time there's a big political question doing the rounds people will be knocking your door down.

Brillopad 14-06-2017 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9359233)
Thats just complete rubbish. These are democratically elected MP's that have been representing their constituencies for many years at Westminster. The only point that anyone has said anything against them is now, when they are supporting a party labour don't agree with.

As democratically elected MP's they are as entitled as anyone to vote for whatever they wish. That is democracy

I seem to Remember several on here stating that Sinn Fein were a legitimate political party now when they were called terrorists. That only works one way apparently.

jet 14-06-2017 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 9359209)
Yep, as i thought, the Right-wingers who clung to the BS ''Terrorist Sympatizer'' thing like a life-jacket on The Titanic have no real justification of the Tories being that desperate to get into bed with a neo-fascist hate Party who supported terrorists and unappologetically employ Armed Robber thugs.

I obviously missed the small-print that explained why the Tories shouldn't have to be held accountable for their behaviour and standards ofdecency like Labour and Corbyn constantly are (even if that means misconstruing/misreprersenting facts).

:laugh: You clearly need to do a lot of research.

JTM45 14-06-2017 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 9359286)
:laugh: You clearly need to do a lot of research.

As do you..............clearly.

But it's much easier and less time consuming to entirely rebuff rather than make actual points about actual things you deem incorrect or false isn't it. :wavey:

jet 14-06-2017 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9359285)
I seem to Remember several on here stating that Sinn Fein were a legitimate political party now when they were called terrorists. That only works one way apparently.

Yep. There are IRA murderers in Sinn Fein to this day, as in the past. Murderers who were released from prison by the Labour Gov. in a shady deal as part of the Good Friday Agreement. There were Loyalist murderers released too, but they were certainly not welcomed into the DUP. That's why the present Gov. can do business with them, and never with Sinn Fein - not even a Labour Gov. could get away with that, although Labour did try to get the DUP on side on several occasions in the past. lol

jet 14-06-2017 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 9359289)
As do you..............clearly.

But it's much easier and less time consuming to entirely rebuff rather than make actual points about actual things you deem incorrect or false isn't it. :wavey:

I've made plenty of points in the last few days, I'm all pointed out. My posts are available to search if you wish.

jet 14-06-2017 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9359086)
Can you paste the full article Brillo. You've read it, right? Others cant read it unless they're subscribed to the website, which you deffo are, right?

I got nosy, so here it is...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...byn-get-power/

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The election result was rather exciting for Jeremy Corbyn and his followers. "We are ready to serve this country," he promptly announced. The Labour leader's supporters have been boasting of how he oversaw the party's biggest increase in vote share since 1945. This gave Emily Thornberry the licence to dismiss suggestions that the party had lost the election, declaring on Sky News magisterially: "No, I don’t think that we did".

Yet those swept up by this collective delirium will have found it hard to escape the conclusion this week on seeing Theresa May in Downing Street reshuffling her cabinet that Labour had not actually won. Corbynistas may feel their time in office has come, but have been forced to accept reality on looking at the electoral landscape.

The Conservatives picked up 55 more seats than Labour, meaning that Mrs May only need to work with her "friends and allies in the Democratic Unionist party" to have a majority in the Commons. Even if Jeremy Corbyn teamed up with the SNP, Liberal Democrats, Plaid Cymru and the Greens, his 314-strong "progressive alliance" would not be big enough – and it would still be out-numbered by the Tories's 317 MPs alone.

Corbynistas have never come this close to power, so falling at the final hurdle – last week's general election – will have been hard for them. They have decided that the best way to get over their disappointment is to take it out on the DUP for cementing the Tories' grip in power.

The vitriol from the Left has come thick and fast. Owen Jones called them "gay-hating, anti-choice terrorist-sympathisers". "They have nothing to bring to a modern body politic," Zoe Williams opined. "The DUP are the closest thing we have in this country to institutional religious extremism, all ancient hatreds and bigotries so dated it is like arguing with the past."

Tempting as it may be for them to stick it to Mrs May's new allies, they have forgotten two things. First, the Tories aren't looking to draft the DUP into Government; they just want their backing to get business done in the Commons on key areas like Brexit. They aren't so much "jumping into bed" with the DUP as sleeping in separate beds but occasionally having dinner together.

Second, Labour was more than happy to talk to the DUP about how they could work together in past elections. Gordon Brown was reported by US officials in 2010 to be "doing whatever he can to hold on to power", a process which required one of his cabinet ministers to work on an "economic package for Northern Ireland to win support from the DUP... for Labour".

Labour tried again to woo the DUP in 2015, one of its MPs Ian Paisley has said, although such a prospect will have been snuffed out as soon as David Cameron's surprise majority became clear.

That hasn't stopped Labour from trying to stir the pot. The party has wheeled out grandees – former Northern Ireland secretaries Peter Hain, Shaun Woodward and Peter Mandelson – to accuse Mrs May of putting the peace process at risk by working with the DUP. "London is no longer an honest broker," Mr Hain declared portentously.

In Mr Hain's view, the Conservatives have crippled their ability to be do business in Northern Ireland by allying with unionists. Mrs May has already said that her party make clear in their manifesto that Northern Ireland should remain part of the United Kingdom, so why is it a shock that the Tories prefer to talk to the DUP rather than Sinn Fein?

Tony Blair managed to work on the peace process as Prime Minister despite the fact that the SDLP – Labour's sister party – were active in Northern Ireland. His Government sent letters to more than 200 "on-the-run" IRA suspects after the Good Friday Agreement granting them immunity from criminal prosecution, yet Mr Hain and his colleagues decided not to express public concerns – like they do now – about how neutral this left London looking.

Moreover, the Democratic Unionist Party's decision will be more than happy to support Mrs May's administration because it ensures Jeremy Corbyn is shut out of power. "For as long as you allow yourselves to be led by an IRA cheerleader, you exclude yourselves from entering No 10," a party source told the Guardian. Party leader Arlene Foster survived an IRA bomb on her school bus and was only eight when they tried to kill her father, so she would not look kindly on his past coziness to its members.

Labour has previously been happy to do business with the DUP, but now finds itself frozen out due to Mr Corbyn. This should give the Left cause for thought, but his followers have decided it is much easier to pay the DUP back by demonising them for deciding to help the largest party get business done in Government.

The Corbynistas' decision to respond with name-calling, rather than by asking themselves tough questions about their leader, shows why they will remain too immature for power.

JTM45 14-06-2017 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 9359305)
I've made plenty of points in the last few days, I'm all pointed out.

Theresa.............is that you ? :laugh:

That 'article' is the kind of thing i'd expect Brillo to trot out as irrefutable evidence (rather than the blatantly biased and fact-light coddswallop it actually is). What's that ? Oh....she did ? I was not aware of that.:idc:

jet 14-06-2017 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 9359318)
Theresa.............is that you ? :laugh:

That 'article' is the kind of thing i'd expect Brillo to trot out as irrefutable evidence (rather than the blatantly biased and fact-light coddswallop it actually is). What's that ? Oh....she did ? I was not aware of that.:idc:

Another "I didn't like what I read, so it's not true" merchant. :bawling::bawling:
:joker:

JTM45 14-06-2017 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 9359321)
Another "I didn't like what I read, so it's not true" merchant. :bawling::bawling:
:joker:

No. It's more a case of it not being hard to see blatant bias and desperate agenda from a mile off and that kind of **** doesn't pass for good journalism (or even actual journalism) with me.
If you're gonna' link/quote something because you can't make the point yourself you've gotta' make sure that the content of what you're quoting/linking to is actually credible. That 'article' wasn't even slightly.

What's that ?
But....but Hillary..... :bawling:

jet 14-06-2017 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 9359326)
No. It's more a case of it not being hard to see blatant bias and desperate agenda from a mile off and that kind of **** doesn't pass for good journalism (or even actual journalism) with me.
If you're gonna' link/quote something because you can't make the point yourself you've gotta' make sure that the content of what you're quoting/linking to is actually credible. That 'article' wasn't even slightly.

What's that ?
But....but Hillary..... :bawling:

Trump.....is that you? You didn't like that article? What's that you say? "FAKE NEWS, FAKE NEWS"?! :laugh:

JTM45 14-06-2017 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 9359328)
Trump.....is that you? You didn't like that article? What's that you say? "FAKE NEWS, FAKE NEWS"?! :laugh:

When faced with reason and facts do you always just re-post your same already debunked accusation with a slightly (very slightly) different flavour ?

Do you really think that 'article' is an un-biased piece of sound journalism ?

bots 14-06-2017 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 9359353)
When faced with reason and facts do you always just re-post your same already debunked accusation with a slightly (very slightly) different flavour ?

Do you really think that 'article' is an un-biased piece of sound journalism ?

yes, it is

JTM45 14-06-2017 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9359385)
yes, it is

Then your opinion can never be taken seriously because my 5 year-old niece would be able to read that and tell you it was biased.

It isn't even pretending to be an un-biased view FFS!!!!:joker:


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