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Shaun 25-05-2018 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10006886)
What happens If you are in a stable relationship and you have an unwanted pregnancy, would your partner not have any input into the decision or would you just discuss it with your girlfriends :shrug:

If it takes two people to create a baby, it should take two people to want to have the baby. Not one, and that goes both ways with a hypothetical "woman wants a baby and then wants child support from the man who didn't want it" sort of situation.

Cherie 25-05-2018 09:38 PM

It's good and bad news, getting rid of a child is never black and white, I don't think abortion should ever by celebrated but something that is done with the utmost sincerity

Niamh. 25-05-2018 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10007127)
It's good and bad news, getting rid of a child is never black and white, I don't think abortion should ever by celebrated but something that is done with the utmost sincerity

Nobody is celebrating abortion Cherie.

GoldHeart 25-05-2018 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10007148)
Nobody is celebrating abortion Cherie.

I doubt anyone could support something so serious & heavy . It's a sensitive issue. And I agree it's not as straight forward , but I always feel for the innocent unborn life .

Cherie 25-05-2018 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10007148)
Nobody is celebrating abortion Cherie.

Well it’s not great news as described, it’s the right result and I couldn’t see any other outcome really, I hope now it’s followed by free contraception although that hasn’t diminished demand for abortion here :skull:

Niamh. 25-05-2018 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 10007166)
I doubt anyone could support something so serious & heavy . It's a sensitive issue. And I agree it's not as straight forward , but I always feel for the innocent unborn life .

If it passes (hoping the exit poll is right) I'll be celebrating the fact pregnant women will now receive proper healthcare and Doctors aren't restricted and can look after these women properly.

GoldHeart 25-05-2018 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10007170)
If it passes (hoping the exit poll is right) I'll be celebrating the fact pregnant women will now receive proper healthcare and Doctors aren't restricted and can look after these women properly.




Yeah exactly that's the important outcome :clap1: .

Niamh. 25-05-2018 10:25 PM

69% Yes according to RTEs Exit Poll

Smithy 25-05-2018 10:26 PM

Hopefully :cheer:

Niamh. 25-05-2018 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10007193)
Hopefully :cheer:

Both exit polls gave such a similar result I can't see them being wrong, margin of error with these polls is less than 2%

Cherie 25-05-2018 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10007196)
Both exit polls gave such a similar result I can't see them being wrong, margin of error with these polls is less than 2%

Good job the men got to vote

Niamh. 25-05-2018 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10007200)
Good job the men got to vote

Why? More women voted yes than men according to the polls

Cherie 25-05-2018 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10007207)
Why? More women voted yes than men according to the polls

Because if if the percentage is correct then a lot voted yes? And not all females will have voted one way

Niamh. 25-05-2018 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10007224)
Because if if the percentage is correct then a lot voted yes? And not all females will have voted one way

A higher percentage of women voted yes than men though according to the Polls, I'm confused by your "just aswell men could vote" comment because that came across like Yes wouldn't have won otherwise? Which isn't correct, in fact the Yes win would be higher if only women voted. . .

Cherie 25-05-2018 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 10007236)
A higher percentage of women voted yes than men though according to the Polls, I'm confused by your "just aswell men could vote" comment because that came across like Yes wouldn't have won otherwise? Which isn't correct

I misread the more women than men voted yes bit, thought you said more women voted than men, polls are not always accurate though

LaLaLand 25-05-2018 11:14 PM

I wish I'd had followed all of this in-depth but I've been so busy, what do they think the outcome will be!?

Cherie 25-05-2018 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonnii (Post 10007254)
I wish I'd had followed all of this in-depth but I've been so busy, what do they think the outcome will be!?

A yes vote

Denver 25-05-2018 11:43 PM

If ypou don't want to get pregnant use protection

Rob! 25-05-2018 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10007127)
It's good and bad news, getting rid of a child is never black and white, I don't think abortion should ever by celebrated but something that is done with the utmost sincerity

I don't think there's a single person anywhere in any country or religion that would say they celebrate the notion of abortion. It's a pretty psychologically difficult thing to do to yourself, especially the further into the pregnancy you go. I'm aware you probably know that, but my point is that the right to choice IS something that should be celebrated. A lot of the arguments for the no vote do not come from a place that should be celebrated either in my view, in fact some of them are god damn cruel and heartless.

Rob! 25-05-2018 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 10007276)
If ypou don't want to get pregnant use protection

Yes, that's precisely the issue here. All of the women who have ever been pregnant in history all had that option in front of them.

Matthew. 25-05-2018 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 10007276)
If you don't want to get pregnant use protection

would you have voted NO then?

Oliver_W 26-05-2018 12:02 AM

I'm reluctantly in favour of abortion being available, though I'd rather it be a last resort. I'd rather see unwanted babies go to families who can't have their own.

Cherie 26-05-2018 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 10007279)
I don't think there's a single person anywhere in any country or religion that would say they celebrate the notion of abortion. It's a pretty psychologically difficult thing to do to yourself, especially the further into the pregnancy you go. I'm aware you probably know that, but my point is that the right to choice IS something that should be celebrated. A lot of the arguments for the no vote do not come from a place that should be celebrated either in my view, in fact some of them are god damn cruel and heartless.

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10007288)
I'm reluctantly in favour of abortion being available, though I'd rather it be a last resort. I'd rather see unwanted babies go to families who can't have their own.

Oliver sums up my feelings on the issue, in the U.K. abortion is abused, hopefully as they probably won’t be free in Ireland this won’t be the case

Cherie 26-05-2018 07:33 AM

also it seems so strange that they closed the polls went home to bed no overnight counting in Ireland :laugh:

Smithy 26-05-2018 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10007288)
I'm reluctantly in favour of abortion being available, though I'd rather it be a last resort. I'd rather see unwanted babies go to families who can't have their own.

If it were that easy there’d be no children in the foster/adoption system


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