Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10882223)

How is that the main point when the point is that the police officer completely disregarded his training (or wasn't trained properly to begin with)?

The man was being arrested for his crime including carrying this weapon, that's not really up for debate.

The debate is whether the police officer used appropriate measures to bring the man under control. He didn't, therefore he's been suspended.

The police are not infallible.

Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 10882225)

Only the police that don’t follow the correct procedures.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10882243)

But but he didn’t use it...so it’s fine ..let him carry on

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10882340)

Why does everyone that defends police brutality try to overwrite reality with fantasy? He didn't kill anyone and emotional manipulation won't change the facts.

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10882358)

I’ve been arrested many times and by armed police with dogs, I’ve also seen many arrests first hand.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 10882425)

The main point is not a result of why the police acted in the way they did. The main point is WHY he was carrying the knife... its literally that simple.

Again, maybe the policeman could have acted in a more appropriate way but his priority was catching/holding the suspect down whilst knowing he was a threat to the public. He undoubtedly did the right thing here.

You can tell from the video that he was not even using any force on his neck for more than a few seconds, but of course people are going to play on that **** after the George Floyd case. It's not shocking in the slightest.


Yeah, if only the public did too eh? Then a thread like this, or the action from the police would not even be necessary.


:hehe:


You literally did the exact same thing :skull:

Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10882429)

exactly that, the man was a threat and needed to be taken down with any force necessary

also i rewatched the video and agreed, there was not much pressure on his neck, unlike with George Floyd

in fact i think they handled this correctly and they made sure he was no longer a threat to anyone and arrested him, but really predictable in current times for police to get the blame, to be seen as the bad guy while in this situation they weren't

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 10882425)

The main point is not a result of why the police acted in the way they did. The main point is WHY he was carrying the knife... its literally that simple.

Again, maybe the policeman could have acted in a more appropriate way but his priority was catching/holding the suspect down whilst knowing he was a threat to the public. He undoubtedly did the right thing here.

You can tell from the video that he was not even using any force on his neck for more than a few seconds, but of course people are going to play on that **** after the George Floyd case. It's not shocking in the slightest.


Yeah, if only the public did too eh? Then a thread like this, or the action from the police would not even be necessary.


:hehe:


You literally did the exact same thing :skull:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10882426)

Wow you must be really scary and impressive :flutter:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10882440)

The good news for Sheriff is he can now escalate to carrying a weapon and if the police so much as lay a finger in the wrong place during his arrest, he will be exonerated by some of his fellow Tibbers :hehe:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10882358)

He is a criminal he got taken to the ground for a reason.

I’ve been arrested many times and by armed police with dogs, I’ve also seen many arrests first hand.

Its simple, don’t fight the police and they won’t use force that represents the level of threat or hostility they face.

If you never tryed to restrain someone who’s intentions are to get away at any cost then you don’t have the experience to fully understand why they don’t what the do.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10882448)

Is a knee resting on the neck part of police training at all? I can't imagine it is, apart from very drastic circumstances, but when it happens at least twice in a fairly short amount of time ...

If it is, police should be taught better restraining methods, and it's obviously right that this bobby was put on suspension.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10882445)

...it would be nice to clarify one last time that not one single forum member has in any way exonerated anyone from anything...the focus of the debate is the exact same focus as the IOPC have in looking at the force that was used and whether it was appropriate...the Deputy Police Commissioner found it ‘extremely disturbing’ enough to make a suspension and begin an inquiry...and that was after having examined all bodycam footage closely...that is not exoneration, that is proper and appropriate policing which is something to be proud of, that we have that...that no one is above the law and everyone has accountability...

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10882440)

The good news for Sheriff is he can now escalate to carrying a weapon and if the police so much as lay a finger in the wrong place during his arrest, he will be exonerated by some of his fellow Tibbers :hehe:

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 10882425)

You literally did the exact same thing :skull:

Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 10882348)

They haven’t just grabbed some innocent guy and threw him on the the ground.

Actions create reactions.

Stop defending criminals.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10882440)

The good news for Sheriff is he can now escalate to carrying a weapon and if the police so much as lay a finger in the wrong place during his arrest, he will be exonerated by some of his fellow Tibbers :hehe:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10882445)

...it would be nice to clarify one last time that not one single forum member has in any way exonerated anyone from anything...the focus of the debate is the exact same focus as the IOPC have in looking at the force that was used and whether it was appropriate...the Deputy Police Commissioner found it ‘extremely disturbing’ enough to make a suspension and begin an inquiry...and that was after having examined all bodycam footage closely...that is not exoneration, that is proper and appropriate policing which is something to be proud of, that we have that...that no one is above the law and everyone has accountability...

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10882480)

Except I didn't, I already said that I mentioned that officers are not allowed to hit someone in the head or neck with a baton for context as to why leaning on someone's neck or head is considered off-limits. This is what's called context for my argument and if you think that's the same as 'well, he could have murdered multiple people so an officer breaking protocol is perfectly okay because of that situation that didn't happen' then you need to improve your reading skills.

Ignoring that I've already proven your point to be a **** one doesn't make it any less ****.

Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 10882503)

Tbh Ammi I'm pretty sure that the majority of us saying this are aware that police could be better trained/use more appropriate ways of dealing with situations, but I think we would also prefer police using ways like this to deal with criminals whether they have done anything or not at that moment in time, because that is absolutely irrelevant and besides the point. Nobody carries a knife "for the fun of it".

There was recently a stabbing just a few roads down from where I used to live... and all I'm saying is that if the police caught that man and stopped him IN ANY WAY I would have been happy about it. I honestly don't care if the "action didn't look appropriate" if they had stopped a crime from happening or, an innocent man from getting stabbed and killed...

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10882506)

Then why constantly mischaracterize the discussion?