I hope you have a really relaxing Christmas Vanessa.

You've well earned the 2 weeks holidays I'm certain of that.

While I do see your point, is arguing with supporters of Boris really necessary? Anyone who can't see he's doing a **** job is beyond help tbh :laugh: Not everyone has the capacity and/or fortitude to constantly debate politics, especially when the subject and other people make it akin to banging one's head against a wall!

:joker:I see your point as well Oliver.
However, oddly enough a lot of politicians and in politics often generally too, banging your head against a brick wall is par for the course.

In my work and in cases, I'm always out to, if I can get my side the last word or words.

If it's just a situation where those lauding Johnson and this detestable government, just get away with doing so with no comeback.
Then silence construes consent as Sir Thomas More indicated.

So I'd rather be as you say, banging my head against brick walls, which it is with some hard-line Tory supporters and other Parties supporters too, to be fair.

The Tories I know off here, I actually rarely am in dispute with as a lot are uncomfortable with how worrying Johnson is coming across.
As a Labour member, believe me, we are the Labour Party's strongest of critics.
I think most Labour leaders dread facing us at times.

So for me, wrongs have to be set out and presented and when people jump in to defend this incompetent lot.
Then challenging is a must in my view.
As I say however and I also agree in part, with you, sometimes it's a waste of energy and time with some.

Then again, the time I'm on here, I'm spending on here, so in part I'm then happy to throw up and challenge those views I disagree strongly with.
Even banging my head against those brick walls,:joker:

Of course I'd guess there's those who think they're banging their head against a brick wall with me.

I do though try to see others views.
I have after all in my lifetime so far and I'm still 28.
I've voted for all 3 main UK Parties.

I know there's good and bad in all of them.
However that's hard to find in the present PM and his choice of hard-line extreme Ministers.

We're rushed off our feet at the factory at the moment.
We're always busy Christmas time, but this year it's gone mental!
They gave us a bonus and a gift card, so I'm very happy today :hee:

Honestly, as crazy as it gets on here, at least we're not the facebook comments section or this bastard...

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But what you and Oliver are trying to do is the softly softly approach to basically get me to shut up and that's not happening. I won't be silent for the benefit of Tories and their supporters. If I dislike something, I will say it.

Silence is acceptance and I don't accept incompetence.

It's more for your own benefit than anyone else's. You'd probably be generally happier and less full of anger if you could let people wallow in their ignorance.

I prefer honesty....:smug:

No dezzy not at all you are more than entitled to your opinion!

I’m genuinely concerned for you! As it’s not healthy getting so worked up by politics because it’s a never ending battle between the left and right.

I truly believe we were always going to have these new lock downs because we have only ever been able to slow the spread down.

People have been breaking the rules and the ports and airports have been left open allowing cross contamination.

The only way labour could of done better is if they had a total lockdown no one in or out of the country and a near total clamp down on people

Yes I agree, It was inevitable regardless what party was in charge.. to think otherwise is crazy imo. It’s not even a politics crisis, it’s a seperate crisis to be honest, a health crisis.

I personally think there should be an entirely different team that govern purely health and take control of everything leaving politics completely out of it (I’m not talking about health secretary’s etc..), but this issue of covid shouldn’t cause a political divide

People have been breaking rules thats obvious but that’s not the only issue, acting slow and not shutting the schools and boarders are a big issue and will not help. Lockdown 2 was never going to work because how late it was and a month.... never did anything just paused it really...

As an island, this could have been dealt with better by shutting the borders early when we knew the virus was in Europe. Instead we were told to wash our hands. Hopefully, in future crises we will learn from this pandemic and err on the side of caution first....rather than waiting till its here and killing thousands

To be honest it I was here a lot earlier than believed because China kept it from the world.

The tories may well lose the next election based on the way they have handled things.

All I know it’s here, and all of us has to take care of ourselves and others.

wash your hands...to happy birthday :love:

...panic buying or stock piling lettuce and Brussel sprouts, really...?..the whole concept of stock piling/panic buying is so, so grim...if anything becomes in shortage then surely we should all be buying a little less of it is the only only thing that makes sense, so that there is more product for more people../...I mean that’s the only logic, surely...that’s something that we would and do apply through life to any shortage...a little for many as opposed to more for fewer and a ‘haves and have nots’, thing.../..not a great mindset, I feel...

the nutritional value of most types of lettuce is almost zero, which makes it even more laughable

...the supermarkets need to stop it, to start limiting now, really...

...low incomes aren’t able to stock pile or panic buy...Christmas itself would be such a struggle and ‘advance buying’ is just not an option or possibility...it’s so heartbreaking how they must be feeling when they see the shelves being emptied ...:sad:..it’s just so unnecessary...

I don't mind, I don't like Brussels sprouts :laugh:
Just got my Christmas tree, will pick it up tomorrow.
Later I'm going to town to do some shopping, I need to get lights and baubles.
Also some food.

The morons who ran away from London before the lockdown are spreading the new strain around :fist:

I’d name and shame the ones that can be identified ( photos and video footage )


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The scary thing is that Labour will probably make things worse...


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