Yeah, I thought that's what everyone did when they went abroad with their kids, you always see restaurants full of kids over there, we've done it ourselves with our own kids and the Spanish are very kid friendly, there wouldn't be a problem with that.

I disagree though that leaving two 2 year olds and a 3 year old in an unlocked apartment alone isn't neglectful though, jeez what if there was a fire? Or one of them wandered out onto a road or out and fell in the pool? It's unbelievably neglectful imo

This^

..just by the by..they won't allow any threads/opinions on Madeleine's disappearance or the case on DS....

Mmm wonder why that is?

Suppose it's because people have been convicted for libel or threatened with legal actions in the past for accusing the McCann's of playing a part in it

in a way this thread should be closed, out of respect for that little girl.
we are all just chewing the fat!

How is it out of respect for Maddie Sheriff? All I've seen from anyone on here (no matter what they believe) is concern for her and wanting to find out what happened to her

We don't even know what happened for sure. She could still be alive.

I agree, no matter which account of events people believe, everyone wants the same end result, for Maddie to be either found alive or at least if she has died then at least to have the proper burial and memorial she deserves - not this load of what ifs and speculation. Her parents are the ones who want her name remembered so I don't think talking about her is disrespectful to her.

No... I don't think so , freedom of speech is a fundamental right besides people talking about this case means people care and who knows out of all the thousands of conversations being held right now on this topic something new may transpire someone might remember something new or somebody, anything that could help shed some light on this sinister story..

So people should keep talking... Who knows one day !!!

That site is amazing..I know I aid I was leaving the thread but I just had to comment here. I am only up to the excuses about the cadaver dogs (I knew stupid excuses had been made, but not the excuses in full). I fail to see how any police officer could rule the parents out 100%. Especially with all of this.

We are not DS. We wont close threads just because a couple of posters find it a bit uncomfortable that others have different opinion to them.

I don't see how it is disrespectful to Madeleine for people to want the truth to come out about what actually happened.

I think she may have wondered off to look for her parents. It may explain why the window was open.

I didn't start using windows as entrance points till I was at least 6 or 7. I'm sure she would have probably used the door.

Yeah, that is food for thought, really.

I'll say again that for the parents to be involved then the seven friends (all professional people of good standing) at the tapas bar all have to covering up the reason for the disappearance of a young child and covering up the disposal of her body. Also leading the police and courts (they've won a libel case) on a merry dance for years - a criminal offence in itself. Do people here really believe that these people would do something like that?

It doesn't make sense.

True.

The door was open so I would assume she would use that if wandering off. She was quite small,so it would have been really hard for her to climb up to the window and out.

The windows could only be opened from the inside though, so the abductor was pretty thick, considering they must have came in through a door. Why chose to leave through the window :laugh:

Did the parents leave the window open or closed?

..that's the main part that always made it unbelievable to me because I can't see the McCanns being so 'controlled' as to cover anything up and definitely not the people with them assisting in that..they would have noticed something and they weren't even 'life long' friends or anything so why would they do that..it makes no sense....

I don't see how? I doubt they would even know about it.. Most of the statements given by the Tapas 7 said that the kids were checked on every now and again (I believe that) and that Kate discovered Maddie was missing at 10pm. And thats pretty much it. With the exception of Jane Tanner who added the bit about the bloke she saw.

The 9.30 check by a friend didnt include Madeleine. He saw the twins and thats it. He assumed everything was fine as it was quiet.

So really since they left the apartment, the only person to 'see' Madeleine was Gerry at 9pm ish

When the alarm was raised, Gerry was all over the place (looking for her...). This is when the sighting of someone carrying a child occurred.

The window wasnt open

Ah, ok. Then she must have used the door.

There was only one set of finger prints on the window and window sill and they were Kates

Read here about the trip they took to Huelva in Spain ,the unaccounted for mileage and hours http://www.mccannfiles.com/id168.html

These links are eye openers that's for sure,I have found out more from these than has been in the news or press.Thankyou Chuff,I just hope we get to know one day.

Your child goes"missing" do you help police in every way you can or do you hinder the police search ? Kate chose the latter ,the 48 police questions she refused to answer,the link to the questions below, then went on to call the fund they opened with 6 DAYS of Maddie demise( not expecting her back then ?) and had the cheek to call it "NO STONE UNTURNED" Of the £ms raised by pensioners and kids who sold their toys only 13% has been spent on actual search ,the rest has been used to pay for PR and media consultants to cover their backs ,it is now used to support"extended family" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...swer--did.html

I couldn't find anything about extra mileage on there. So a trip 110 miles across a foreign country took longer than they expected and because they got lost, more miles?

Or maybe they decided to go and get breakfast on the way over?

So the McCanns were plastered in the news at that time, and they find only one witness who said they were there earlier? That's less than nothing really. The human brain fills in blanks. We don't know it's happening, and we generally don't realise but all of our brains do that, and it is why anecdotal evidence is the least convincing.

Tanner statement has been ruled out

They could be telling the truth that they are aware of though?

Doesn't necessarily mean that's what really happened.

On that McCann Files website it says that 3 of them asked to change their original statements.

Okay, Well I haven't looked into the evidence closely. I was just under the impression for the parents covering up an accident theory to have any logic the seven friends had to be lying? Can someone say how the timeline would work in that case - I don't really like visiting these conspiracy theory websites.

The McCanns left at around 8.30. Gerry checked at around 9pm..apparently kids were all ok, he went to loo, had a chat with someone then went back to table (around 9.25). Oldfield checked kids at 9.30, but only saw twins, never thought to check Maddie was there. Quiet so assumed everything was fine. Kate checked kids at 10pm and realised Maddie was missing.

Gerry was only one to actually see Madeline between them leaving the apartment and Kate discovering she was gone.

And before they left for the restaurant when was the last time anyone saw Maddie besides Gerry and Kate?

McCann did not even look for Maddie on night one ,and went to bed at 3 o,clock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWCV...Grvgvn5nkiY6fA

The timeline they wrote BEFORE they rang the police had more crossings out than a dyslexics exam paper

From memory, I dont know. I *think* about 5 ish when she left the childcare facilities but I am not sure

However, there was a statement at one time about one of their friends visiting the apartment when Kate was bathing the kids/herself as it has been said she was in a towel, then was changed to fully dressed. That seems to have disappeared now though. Considering the bloke who it was has been written out of the new timeline entirely :S

I can see I am gong to get obsessed with this again now. I wish they hadnt done the crimewatch thing as it drove me crazy last time I was searching everything :laugh:

Not had time to read it all but for another perspective this site gives rebuttals of various rumours/reports about the case, seems to be quite a lot of stuff on the sniffer dogs

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...40/Main%20Page

According to mcCanns (NOT POLICE) the last person to se her was David Payne, he claimed he stayed in 5a for 30 minutes,Kate says it was 30 seconds

One the videos which shows the body language of the McCanns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFzRFrIfv2M

Yeah, and the main source they use is media stories :D

Misleading seems to crop up a lot on the rebuttals. Though if you actually read them, seems much of what they are trying to debunk is actually correct.

The dogs stuff...most the 'disproving' stuff is just silly. It was never claimed that the dogs findings were backed up with DNA evidence as far a I am aware..if it was, the McCanns would have been arrested on the spot. So to say the dogs findings story is false because there wasnt the DNA to back it up..hardly takes away from the fact that the dogs found something in there..the video of such is found in many places on the internet.

The explanations appear to be all smoke an mirrors tbh

and what time was that at?