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Adam and Eve
back in the day when Adam ate the apple and it all went pear shaped. Why did not God just start again and remove the snake thus preventing millions of years of bad humans?
In the end he had to become human and be killed so he could forgive them, but would it not have been easier just to start again? |
Why didn't an all knowing God predict they'd do it anyway? Also why didn't he see it as it was happening? Was he reading the paper?
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God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge
then he made a quick exit, found a nearby phone box, changed into the Serpent and reappeared just in time |
Because it wouldn't be an interesting story otherwise.
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Boys are dumb, it's too easy to get them to eat apples.
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For God to have started again would be as if to admit to making a mistake and God, in essence, doesn't make mistakes. God gave Adam and Eve free will and the choice of either resisting or succumbing to temptation. How could we say they were human if they were incapable of choosing?
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It's noo true. (:
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I heard a Christian on the radio the other day (may have been the TV cant remember, may have even been the internet) anyway...
He was asked if there is a god why does he let all bad things happen to his people on earth. He said that god let man take charge of their own destiny so that they could be shown how foolish they can be (or words to that effect). Think it's all rubbish myself |
I thought Eve ate the apple first? :laugh:
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I don't know if this is a fully satisfying answer but here is one thing to be taken into serious consideration when attempting an answer: IF you will have genuine Free Will then you must have a 'choice'. I think most of us can grasp that. At least the ability or possibility of making a wrong choice or right choice. If you only know you can pull 'good levers' and there only ever exists 'good levers' to pull? Free Will is never 'realized'. But your question gives that but then wants to ask why can't the Free Will exist but simply 'erase' the bad consequences. This amounts to the exact same problem again. In a real sense you no longer have a 'bad lever' to pull anymore. You can just pull either lever and the same results occur - good ones. Free Will becomes a mockery. I'd mention one other thing here and it has to do with that inherent sin idea of 'millions of bad people'. Yes, we do say that Adam and Eve 'introduced sin' into the world but here is the thing: Really, nobody has to follow the lead. Cain is just as personally responsible whether or not his parents sinned. Same for his kids. Really it could be the same for us because we are actually choosing to do some crap thing on someone. But back to the whole 'real consequences' necessity and the Incarnation and death and resurrection. Yes. Here again is what I like about Christianity and what some say gives it that validity - it has real consequences and real payments must be kept and filled. Negative actions really (realized) really mean something. Positive choices also bring real consequences. Of course that is not answering everything. It's more something to just think about and consider in all this. |
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Anyways how do you know he hadnt already had a few goes and Adam and Eve were the best of a few bad batches? According to Genesis he made Man on the 5th day(Chapter 1:26) then made man sometime after the seventh(chap 2:7) Quote:
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I thought Protestant heathens didn't believe in all that freewill business, believing instead in predestintion ~ your fate is decided, whether you're going to heaven or hell, from the day you are born, (if not even before).
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If we can think, then we can reason, if we can reason, then we can make choices. |
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Is it fair that some people have more free-will than others? Like if you are rich you don't have to make a moral choice to steal. Those born with a silver spoon are confronted with fewer moral challenges.
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Is the temptation for poor people to steal much greater? Without a doubt. But it's worth bearing in mind poverty, working to make ends meet and being faced with greater ostacles in life alone confers dignity on a person. In the end, I find it's best to look at it this way. Everybody is as 'good' as they would be hypothetically, were they faced with the same challenges. |
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I think the most logical explanation of the free will stuff is that there is no sin, no god and there are just humans who have over millions of years evolved into what we currently are.
Why we are expected to live our lives governed by the laws of physics and reality only to throw all this out of the window when we look at religions is beyond me. The god we cannot see, cannot hear, cannot understand and yet we must obey seems a touch convenient? |
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An apple that turned into a pear.......Crikey!!!! No wonder mankind is confused....:joker: |
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