An offense to sleep rough, and illegal to feed the homeless
 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...minster-113433

I sincerely hope this story is false, but I doubt it

How on earth will they enforce this? I'm sure for homeless people being in prison with a roof over their head and proper meals will be welcomed..so maybe this will do more good than harm. Can't see it being as straightforward as that though :/

I am sure these people are right though, and many people chose to be homeless just for the free soup :bored:

I swear the Tories have just totally lost it and are actively trying to **** everybody in this country over.

I think this too tbh

Infact, my thinking is that they are trying to screw the country so much, that when they lose the next election, it costs whoever gets in ****loads to sort the mess out. And then the tories can bleat on about how much they spent trying to sort the mess out.. and get back in with their 'austerity' measures :S

Choosing to have a roof over my head or sleep on the streets in the cold and get free soup? Tough choice. They cannot be serious?

This has been in BBC London and ITV London News
tonight they will give the real story


There views I trust.

The mirror - No way


if only vicky had another link

I would not be surprised if Westminster Council were trying to enforce this. They have all kinds of rules. For instance, they have timed windows when businesses can put rubbish out for collection, because they don't want it to look untidy. So say you can put it out between, say, 06.00 and 08.00am. Most people are not at work at this time, but if you put it out at any other time you are fined. Work that one out.

As far as I can see, councils just look for any which way to save money, or try and get back some of their deficit, usually by fines.

If they slash funding to hostels, they're just going to make the problem worse and more widespread, but think of all the fines they can issue! Then they will have to employ more people to process them, and can pat themselves on the back over how many new jobs they have created whilst contributing to lowering unemployment figures.

(I did not realise this link was 2 years old. A friend just posted it on FB and I never thought to check)

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Their masterplan surely can't be to fine the homeless people themselves? ... ... homeless people are not exactly well known for having ... you know... money? I guess they could send in the bailiffs to seize their sleeping bags and fingerless gloves. They probably would.

in all seriousness though, the policy is clearly to try to "move them on" divorced areas. It's not a national policy, it's for one well off area of London... Their thinking will be "so long as its not on my doorstep, I don't care". Fairly typical Tory stuff, then.

Most street prostitutes aren't exactly known to be rolling in the stuff either, but it doesn't stop the courts from fining them, which in turn puts some back on the streets to pay for their fines.

Westminster council in Central London also wants to make it an offence to sleep rough.

If it was to become an offence, then they would surely either have to be cautioned, fined or incarcerated? None of them would be cost effective. It was a tongue in cheek comment about a hypothetical situation, but to be honest, nothing would surprise me.

So the Internment Camps are one step nearer ??

Welcome to Britain.......Arbeit Macht Frei !!!!

Its what they've always done. Its just that there has been a big enough generation gap between Cameron and Thatcher for young people voting to not fully realise what they are like. I'd be very suprised to meet anybody who was working class and over 40 that voted for these bastards.

Actually nobody voted for them did they. The sooner this lot **** off the better.

Not even just working class people, they screwed the lower-middle class (which makes up the largest percentage of the population, I think?) In the 80s too and are doing the same now. Especially younger people who werent lucky enough to be in a financially secure position before the recession hit.

They hoodwinked people into voting for them last time, it's that simple. They said "look at the mess Labour has made! But don't worry, we'll fix it!" And millions of people who didn't have a clue about politics outside of their own back yard fell for it. I actually worked with a girl, definitely working class with two young children, who was banging on about voting Conservative and how they would fix things and how their pledges all sounded great, and I said several times before giving up, "they will screw you and your family to the wall". She wasnt listening, and now she's all over facebook moaning about the ConDems constantly.

Though I think that says a lot. Even after the questionable ethics of Blair and the political vacuum of Brown that followed, the Conservatives still only managed to scrape into power by annexing the LibDems. If you think of it in terms of a "clean slate", that vote should have been a landslide, but it wasn't even enough for a majority government.

I saw someone in another thread claim that "labour get in and spend all the money and then the conservatives get back in and fix it", a never ending pendulum. I agree about the pendulum but... Look at it from the other perspective. The Conservatives get in and BREAK every piece of infrastructure we have, and then once they're out it costs a fortune to try to fix it. Then they get back in by bleating on about excessive spending, and proceed to smash it all to pieces again.

The voting percentages last time show that most people definitely hadn't forgotten Thatcher, and little Dave has handily refreshed the memories of those who had.

Well you're pretty much describing every opposition party in history, they all use spin, rhetoric and populist propaganda to persuade voters that they are the far better alternative, which isn't always the most difficult feat no matter who's in power. True, considering the state of things the Conservatives probably should have won a majority (and actually in the circumstances I think the marriage of convenience they made with the Lib Dems has proven to be far more solid than a lot of people would have expected), but on the same note you would also expect Labour to have a far bigger lead in the polls than they currently do have. Miliband might have had an alright conference - despite not really offering any long term and concrete policies - but most people still find it hard to see him as the Prime Minister and wouldn't trust him in the role, most likely scenario for 2015 is another hung parliament with the Lib Dems being King makers once again

I go fully with your pragraph in bold,
The 2010 election should have been the easiest ever for an opposition to party to win,it shouldhave been as you said a landslide yet David Cameron not only fell short but fell well short,19 seats in fact.
In fact had Labour held just about another 18 seats then it is more likely the Lib Dems would have pushed harder for a Coalition with them.
Alex Salmond of the SNP in fact still wanted that tried since he said there was a strong anti Conservative vote as to parliament.

I actually think myself, this is possibly still from a change as to politics that stems from what happened in 1997 with Tony Blair and his success.
There are issues that the Electorate will not again fully trust the Conservatives with,such as the NHS.
This is why in my view,it is going to be hard for the Conservatives to win outright for a good while in the future at least.
I believe that is something the Labour win in 1997 changed considerably.

The Conservatives have now never taken over 36% in a general election since 1992,all through this parliament after the first 6 months, they have been consistently in the lower 30s percentage wise and Labour in the higher 30s.
I think that is actually a firm position now. Labour's lead is not always great although polls like 32% for Con and 39% for Labour can in effect be the same thing in a poll that says Con 35% and Labour 36% because of the accepted margin of error.

Add to that the fact that Labour only needs to be just 2.5% ahead of the Conservatives and still get a likely overall majority whereas the Conservatives need to not just be that but have to be more like 6% ahead of Labour to scrape likely the barest of overall majorities.

The fact is, none of the leaders are great PM choices, the voters have been let down many times before.They don't really like any of them.
Margaret Thatcher was never a particularly liked leader but she won 3 elections.
Reading the run up to the 1979 election ,Jim Callgahan was apparantly far and away the leader liked the most with Margaret Thatcher well down the running but she still won the election.

These welfare changes as more and more are planned and announced and also the distrust as to Cameron as to the NHS, I then cannot see where anyone who felt they couldn't vote Conservative in 2010 will do so in 2015.

Those voters,(and I know of a good number too), that took Cameron at his word as to no across the board full reform of the NHS and gave him their vote in 2010, will not also be doing so in 2015 after him doing the total opposite.
Now also the feeling against the bedroom tax is gaining momentum and their policies outlined now are likely to get little support too now.
There is simply no compassion at all to their planned policies just discrimination against the poorest and weakest.

The tory mantra as ever is they are all for business, but who can afford to start a business?
It was also stated they created over a million private sector jobs, who can afford to access private sector services?
Who can afford to work in the private sector too with their temporary contracts and low wages?

A Tory MP has said the cuts arent that bad its not although people are dying on the streets.
Arrogant wanker.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...YkNrRw.twitter

He is wrong and it shows that they dont give a **** how much people are struggling unless it starts to cause them problems. Selfish to the core!
There is no such thing as society to the dirty tory scum. They only care about themselves.

They are though, look at Blackpool north they are suffering food poverty and their MP Paul Maynard says people are 'too reliant' on food banks....

all they are trying to do is kill of the poor.the tories are doing what hitler tried they are just doing it in a more sneaky fashion.
they seem hell bent on destroying and killing of every poor person in this country.
i have never voted but i will be voting them out soon its possible .
they are widening the gap between the rich and poor to such a extent now there will be no going back.
soon as the election starts get that prick and his cronies out.

I hope to god they aren't put in for PM again, all they do is ruin ****!! It's even worse now than Gordon Brown's run

So many people I know are saying that :laugh:

If nothing else, theres a slight silver lining to this shower of shit, its inspired people to use their right to vote

Its a shame though, that the only other realistic option is labour. Lesser of two evils, but still rather crap.

Tad melodramatic..

The homeless should be picking up litter while they're out and about, they shouldn't really be sleeping on the job.