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Beso 07-06-2017 06:14 AM

Isis kills 160 to stop them leaving mosul
 
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...Y1GKSSaS0J3RVA



Best not mess with thier human rights.:nono:

Cherie 07-06-2017 07:10 AM

Those poor people fleeing for their lives, how can we help people in this situation its heartbreaking

Vanessa 07-06-2017 07:11 AM

:sad: I just don't know how they can be helped. It's heartbreaking.

Brillopad 07-06-2017 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9339367)
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...Y1GKSSaS0J3RVA



Best not mess with thier human rights.:nono:

Trouble with those that bleat on about human rights all the time is they don't seem to be able to differentiate between the ones that matter and the ones that don't. PC gets in the way and clouds their judgement as usual. All or nothing in their books, but real life says differently as can be seen here.

Kazanne 07-06-2017 08:32 AM

Imagine having to live like that,terrible the things they do,but the scumbags have human rights so we must sit and chat to them !!!!

Niamh. 07-06-2017 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9339367)
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...Y1GKSSaS0J3RVA



Best not mess with thier human rights.:nono:

What?

RIP to all those poor people

Niamh. 07-06-2017 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9339472)
Imagine having to live like that,terrible the things they do,but the scumbags have human rights so we must sit and chat to them !!!!

Well, this whole taking away peoples human rights is only going to end up with innocent people getting punished and probably making more people wanting to join ISIS.

If you take the IRA as an example, breaching Irish peoples human rights resulted in the Birmingham 6 and the Guilford 4 spending over 20 years in person. Internment camps used for the IRA or suspected IRA members resulted in more of an anti British sentiment amongst Irish people who weren't in the IRA which resulted in more innocent Irish people feeling prosecuted for doing nothing which resulted in more people becoming easier pickings for recruitment.

What stopped the IRA was talking......

Northern Monkey 07-06-2017 09:39 AM

I think they are getting desperate now because we're defeating them in Iraq.Their land is diminishing

Kazanne 07-06-2017 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9339535)
Well, this whole taking away peoples human rights is only going to end up with innocent people getting punished and probably making more people wanting to join ISIS.

If you take the IRA as an example, breaching Irish peoples human rights resulted in the Birmingham 6 and the Guilford 4 spending over 20 years in person. Internment camps used for the IRA or suspected IRA members resulted in more of an anti British sentiment amongst Irish people who weren't in the IRA which resulted in more innocent Irish people feeling prosecuted for doing nothing which resulted in more people becoming easier pickings for recruitment.

What stopped the IRA was talking......

Do you think they would sit and talk Niamh? TM said herself she will not be taking away all human rights but will be able to alter them where terrorists are concerned,like being able to have them deported etc.

Niamh. 07-06-2017 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9339541)
Do you think they would sit and talk Niamh? TM said herself she will not be taking away all human rights but will be able to alter them where terrorists are concerned,like being able to have them deported etc.

It's not that anyone wants to protect ISIS terrorists which seems to be the thing thrown at people who are against human rights breaches it's just that breaching human rights leaves a huge opening for innocent peoples human rights to be breached with no protection from anyone and that's dangerous imo. And you can say Oh but ISIS are dangerous but that's ok? and the answer is of course it's not but the answer is not to become animals like them because we are not terrorists and we shouldn't be ok with innocent people being collateral damage like they are.

Anaesthesia 07-06-2017 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9339535)
Well, this whole taking away peoples human rights is only going to end up with innocent people getting punished and probably making more people wanting to join ISIS.

If you take the IRA as an example, breaching Irish peoples human rights resulted in the Birmingham 6 and the Guilford 4 spending over 20 years in person. Internment camps used for the IRA or suspected IRA members resulted in more of an anti British sentiment amongst Irish people who weren't in the IRA which resulted in more innocent Irish people feeling prosecuted for doing nothing which resulted in more people becoming easier pickings for recruitment.

What stopped the IRA was talking......

:clap1:

Well said Niamh, and I think many tend to forget we have faced terrorism here before without feeling the need to strip everyone of their rights and protections.

Vicky. 07-06-2017 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9339410)
Trouble with those that bleat on about human rights all the time is they don't seem to be able to differentiate between the ones that matter and the ones that don't. PC gets in the way and clouds their judgement as usual. All or nothing in their books, but real life says differently as can be seen here.

Scrapping human rights laws will apply to everyone, not just 'the bad ones' unfortunately. A balance is needed. I do agree we should be able to deport without all the hooha...but that wouldn't have helped these poor people :/

Vicky. 07-06-2017 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9339541)
Do you think they would sit and talk Niamh? TM said herself she will not be taking away all human rights but will be able to alter them where terrorists are concerned,like being able to have them deported etc.

TM cannot make laws that only affect some people. They have to apply to all. So if she has said this, its another outright lie.

I agree with Niamh, though do not think talking would help with the isis situation. The IRA had a clear aim that was able to be resolved with dialogue. What ISIS want is all westerners dead. Theres no room for compromise to help the situation. All thats going to help is having foot soldiers there to kill the bastards. Its kill or be killed in this case unfortunately. But bombing and such isn't working as we are killing innocent people too. In many ways we are no better than ISIS as our immediate response is 'bomb the **** out of their countries'

Withano 07-06-2017 10:37 AM

Obviously the Human Rights 1998 UK legislation act only applies to those from the UK or we wouldnt have killed in unjust war since that time. What an odd and insensitive way to make a point... not to mention irrelevant and incorrect.

Niamh. 07-06-2017 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9339591)
TM cannot make laws that only affect some people. They have to apply to all. So if she has said this, its another outright lie.

I agree with Niamh, though do not think talking would help with the isis situation. The IRA had a clear aim that was able to be resolved with dialogue. What ISIS want is all westerners dead. Theres no room for compromise to help the situation. All thats going to help is having foot soldiers there to kill the bastards. Its kill or be killed in this case unfortunately. But bombing and such isn't working as we are killing innocent people too. In many ways we are no better than ISIS as our immediate response is 'bomb the **** out of their countries'

Yes obviously the two are not similar in that respect but what is similar is if you target all Irish people all you will do is make those people think "hey maybe the IRA are right, we shouldn't be treated like this when our only crime is being Irish" etc that can easily be applied to Muslims in this scenario if they're being told "we're breaching your human rights because you're Muslim so might be a terrorist but hey if you aren't than you should be happy to be water boarded/deported/imprisoned"

Vicky. 07-06-2017 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 9339594)
Yes obviously the two are not similar in that respect but what is similar is if you target all Irish people all you will do is make those people think "hey maybe the IRA are right, we shouldn't be treated like this when our only crime is being Irish" etc that can easily be applied to Muslims in this scenario if they're being told "we're breaching your human rights because you're Muslim so might be a terrorist but hey if you aren't than you should be happy to be water boarded/deported/imprisoned"

Yes exactly.

This is why its really important after each of these events that we remind people not to blame the average Muslim. Yet when people say this they are accused of terrorist sympathizing. Which to me, means those accusing actually do just blame all Muslims for it.

andybigbro 07-06-2017 10:47 AM

So disgusting :bored: :sad:

Vicky. 07-06-2017 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9339593)
Obviously the Human Rights 1998 UK legislation act only applies to those from the UK or we wouldnt have killed in unjust war since that time. What an odd and insensitive way to make a point... not to mention irrelevant and incorrect.

Also yes, this.

Firewire 07-06-2017 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9339593)
Obviously the Human Rights 1998 UK legislation act only applies to those from the UK or we wouldnt have killed in unjust war since that time. What an odd and insensitive way to make a point... not to mention irrelevant and incorrect.

:clap1:

Niamh. 07-06-2017 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9339598)
Yes exactly.

This is why its really important after each of these events that we remind people not to blame the average Muslim. Yet when people say this they are accused of terrorist sympathizing. Which to me, means those accusing actually do just blame all Muslims for it.

Yup nail on the head right there. Which is crazy considering that most of ISIS victims are Muslims.

bots 07-06-2017 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9339587)
Scrapping human rights laws will apply to everyone, not just 'the bad ones' unfortunately. A balance is needed. I do agree we should be able to deport without all the hooha...but that wouldn't have helped these poor people :/

Actually, it may have if they had been able to take action against that guy that appeared on that C4 documentary.

I agree that we should be incredibly careful on how we handle human rights. Tony Blair took action with the control orders after 7/7 ... but, those were challenged and revoked. So the safeguards are still in place via UK law to protect us

If nothing else, if the debate is opened up as to how we can tackle this, it can only be a good thing surely.

Tom4784 07-06-2017 11:29 AM

Turning our country into 1984 will not prevent anything like this happening in the Middle East, it honestly enrages me how people can be so gullible to throw away their own ****ing rights the second someone mentions terrorism. It's no small wonder why my faith in the public is non-existent when they are so willing to sabotage themselves for a false sense of security.

This is an attrocity but it has no bearing on our own rights. Giving up Human rights out of fear is pretty much allowing terrorists to win.

Tom4784 07-06-2017 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9339621)
Actually, it may have if they had been able to take action against that guy that appeared on that C4 documentary.

I agree that we should be incredibly careful on how we handle human rights. Tony Blair took action with the control orders after 7/7 ... but, those were challenged and revoked. So the safeguards are still in place via UK law to protect us

If nothing else, if the debate is opened up as to how we can tackle this, it can only be a good thing surely.

That's not an issue of Human Rights though, it's a matter of inaction.

Mosques and their patrons are reporting extremism but I believe it's a lack of funding that is preventing action being taken. When it comes to Terrorism, this government is all lip service when it comes to prevention, they'd much rather erode our rights to their own advantage.

jaxie 07-06-2017 11:32 AM

How terrible for the people of Mosul. It's so horrible that no one seems to able to help or stop these atrocities.

Beso 07-06-2017 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Anaesthesia (Post 9339585)
:clap1:

Well said Niamh, and I think many tend to forget we have faced terrorism here before without feeling the need to strip everyone of their rights and protections.

But didnt niamh just say the ira did suffer some human rights interference?


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