Kieron v Raph..
 

Kieron hiding the drinks...like many have done before him. Raph calling him out for it..fair enough but Kieron made him look stupid tonight. Kieron owned it but pulled him up for picking him out when others have done the same thing. Raphs only response was "well I saw you do it"...when others have done the same thing why hasn't he pulled them up for being selfish and that its for all of them.
Kieron not only owned it he tried to shake hands on it and Raph wouldn't take it.
Raph was quite happy to shake hands and move on with Joe on 2 occasions...but couldn't be the bigger person tonight.
Raph feels threatened by Kieron...and wanted to make him look bad.
Backfired IMO..Raph made himself look stupid by not being the forgiving person he is trying to make us believe he is.

Well, i don't think it was a big deal. They said they like each other :hee:

Kieran was in the wrong, he tried to deflect but it didn't work on me, and I doubt it will on many people too.

And the way him and Sam followed Raph out into the Garden to basically gang up on him 2 on 1 is not the sign of someone that's confident that they've got enough valid points to take him on on his own.

Did you notice how desperate Kieran was to make amends with Raph, almost instantaneously!

I genuinely believe they are closer friends than the edit we see.

I like you. I like you too. How cute was that? :love:

I agree, he fessed up but didnt like that he got caught in the first place so tried to turn the situation around on Raph and make him look bad for not calling anyone else out for it.

Special K, owned snake boy. poor raphy's is slipping.

That did not happen.

No, its because Kieran is playing a massive game of mr nice guy and doesnt want to look bad on camera. 2 housemates over this series who know him on the outside have said that hes a d*** head/not being himself (rebecca and isabelle) that paired up with the way he behaved on ex on the beach (absolutely vile) is enough evidence for me to say hes got a game plan and a blooming good one too.

Raph made me laugh when Kieran wanted to shake his hand and he just blanked him :joker:

Kieran does seem a bit like a caged animal, you can tell he wants to start ranting and smashing things up but he has played a good game being the nice guy for 5 weeks, and won't ruin it.

Now that is good gameplaying.

I don't think he was 'desperate' :shrug:..he knew it was wrong and didn't want to fall out with him over it. Kieron put out a hand of friendship and Raph threw it back in his face.
Raph was the bigger person on here with his fans for offering an olive branch to Joe...but when Kieron offers the same thing over a smaller issue..Raph snubs him.
I think we all know who looked the bigger idiot...Raph :laugh:

Kieran looked a right dick tonight, went way down in my estimations.. Raphs not a great arguer but credit for calling out a prick when hes being a prick.

He is as cool as a cucumber...lost it once when Chanelle lost it with him and flicked his hat off. He has shown no other signs of losing it or smashing things up...:shrug:

They were both fine. Simple argument but I did wonder if Raph was just trying to make Kieran look bad, basically thinking Kieran might have winner potential. I still always wonder how much Raph might be trying to use strategy in there, knowing he likes to think strategically and likes the strategic players. :think: I also kinda wonder if Kieran actively tries to be on everyone's good side as strategy or if he's just genuinely that nice of a person. It might've just been a genuine argument on both ends. No big deal either way.

Kieran was trying to weasel out of it. But Raph was not having it :laugh:

I agree, I agree with most of the posts on here so far. Kierans nice guy facade will never last, especially when youve just been caught out for being a prick. Sure he was the one that offered a handshake, but he was undeniably in the wrong, so it isnt comparable to the Joe/Raph handshake situation when they were both going in at each other.

I do thin they like each other, so i doubt they will fall out. It was a minor disagreement.

Yeah I agree with this too. Its just Kieran was doing so well for me, and then I went off him and Tom for hiding drinks, and then I went way off him for the way he reacted to being caught out. I dont think it'll change the house dynamics at all

So why didn't Raph just put it to bed and shake his hand?

Seems like they have probably bonded while smoking together, we'd notice it if we had live feed.

He is cool as a cucumber. But a couple of times he has needed to blow but won't because of the facade, the other day when Tom was getting rowdy Kieran had to walk into another room because he wanted to kick off so badly. Then tonight with Raph you could hear in his voice he was angry but he simmered while offering a handshake.

I do wish Raph had taken it as a goodwill gesture, but they seemed fine and it was a silly argument anyway.

yeah , they seemed fine with each other. raph : but you were arguing with me. he made me laugh when didn't shake his hand :laugh:

Keiron stole the booze - Raph saw him and said it should be shared. No big deal. Just because someone else does it doesn't make it right. It was blown out of proportion.

So Vanessa...would you have found Joe funny if he had snubbed Raph and not shaken his hand??....I think not.

I fully agree rg. Kieran is my winner for the past few weeks. Raph singled him out even though a few of the boys hid the drink. Raph is one of the most useless housemates I have ever seen and I hope he hasn't a chance of winning.