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The_Long_Run 31-07-2009 06:17 PM

Is \'redneck\' acceptable?
 
In modern usage, redneck predominantly refers to a particular stereotype of whites from the Southern United States. The word can be used either as a pejorative or as a matter of pride, depending on context.

The redneck stereotype:
The term redneck is seen by some people to be both racist and classist, as it is was originally used to describe a person of pale skin that has been sunburned doing outdoor work or field work, and disproportionately applies to the poor. Today, a redneck is a stereotypical southern United States socially conservative, fiscally liberal, rural, working class white person with northern European ancestry.

Lauren 31-07-2009 06:20 PM

The original meaning = no.

Todays meaning = a little more acceptable.

reallynow 31-07-2009 06:21 PM

No it isnt, espeically in the context Bea used it in. Bea was totally out of order again. It is nearly as bad as the N word if you would ask me.

The_Long_Run 31-07-2009 06:21 PM

But is Bea right to apply it to Isaac.

loomy 31-07-2009 06:23 PM

No - she also called him a pikey. Her and Freddie both proceeded to have a smug little laugh about Lisa's life and the fact that she is on benefits when Freddie is as much a scrounger as she is as he he doesn't have a job.

It's blatant snobbism. Words like 'redneck' and 'pikey' imply someone of a low class.

AfroMullet 31-07-2009 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by reallynow
No it isnt, espeically in the context Bea used it in. Bea was totally out of order again. It is nearly as bad as the N word if you would ask me.
LOL no its not.

And yeah i'd say it was acceptable, he seems like a Kevin Federline "white trash" type - No racist, its just a term.

BitterFruit 31-07-2009 06:24 PM

americans use it like chav is used here .....

its more a remark about class than race

sleckitty 31-07-2009 06:24 PM

How can she call him a read neck?

He is a Jew for starters.

reallynow 31-07-2009 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by The_Long_Run
But is Bea right to apply it to Isaac.
Rednecks are known to be racists and people who do not have a passport. Issac is in love with Noirin and travels the world.

kisywisy 31-07-2009 06:26 PM

no she wasn't right to call him a redneck. she was being a snob.

he's an american with an american accent. they think he's arrogant yank because of those two facts.

reallynow 31-07-2009 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by sleckitty
How can she call him a read neck?

He is a Jew for starters.
Is he Jewish? Hence Isaac, boy Bea is STUPID!

Cybele 31-07-2009 06:27 PM

As someone who was born in the southern US...

A redneck isn't a racial stereotype at all, in fact there are people who are proud to be rednecks (most of them, I'd say). "White trash" would be a racial sterotype, but redneck could apply to someone of any race. A redneck is, generally speaking, someone who is "country." Someone who likes Nascar and monster trucks. They usually like country music, guns and hunting.

Oh... I just thought of an example. Dukes of Hazard. Every character on that show was a redneck.

Isaac is not a redneck in any sense of the word. Not at all. He is just an arsehole. A funny arsehole when he puts his mind to it, but an arsehold all the same.

Bombardier 31-07-2009 06:28 PM

Where I'm from there are plenty of rednecks who earn ten times what I make. The term redneck is used across North America, btw. In Canada it applies to anyone from "the West."

Some are proud of being "redneck." The term has been reclaimed a bit lately much like "*****" or "queer". The positive spin is that people from "redneck" areas are friendly, loyal, unpretentious, and hard-working.

Of course I know some who are vile racist morons, so there you go.

reallynow 31-07-2009 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by AfroMullet
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Originally posted by reallynow
No it isnt, espeically in the context Bea used it in. Bea was totally out of order again. It is nearly as bad as the N word if you would ask me.
LOL no its not.

And yeah i'd say it was acceptable, he seems like a Kevin Federline "white trash" type - No racist, its just a term.
FYI , he is Jewish (most probably loaded), well travelled and in love with noirin, so go take you ignorance else where

Cybele 31-07-2009 06:28 PM

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Originally posted by reallynow
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Originally posted by The_Long_Run
But is Bea right to apply it to Isaac.
Rednecks are known to be racists and people who do not have a passport. Issac is in love with Noirin and travels the world.
Stop being a troll. That is just outright false.

reallynow 31-07-2009 06:29 PM

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Originally posted by Cybele
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Originally posted by reallynow
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Originally posted by The_Long_Run
But is Bea right to apply it to Isaac.
Rednecks are known to be racists and people who do not have a passport. Issac is in love with Noirin and travels the world.
Stop being a troll. That is just outright false.

It is OUTRIGHT FALSE to call him a redneck!

Jayson 31-07-2009 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by reallynow
No it isnt, espeically in the context Bea used it in. Bea was totally out of order again. It is nearly as bad as the N word if you would ask me.
****

AfroMullet 31-07-2009 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by reallynow
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Originally posted by AfroMullet
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Originally posted by reallynow
No it isnt, espeically in the context Bea used it in. Bea was totally out of order again. It is nearly as bad as the N word if you would ask me.
LOL no its not.

And yeah i'd say it was acceptable, he seems like a Kevin Federline "white trash" type - No racist, its just a term.
FYI , he is Jewish (most probably loaded), well travelled and in love with noirin, so go take you ignorance else where
LOOOL.

1 - Jewish people are white (In most cases) - its a religion not race.
2 - All jewish people being rich is a sterotype - so dont start saying thye cant call him a redneck then go and say that.

stickydatepudding 31-07-2009 06:31 PM

Redneck can just be another word for bigot, doesn't necessarily mean anything to do with race, or locality in the US.

reallynow 31-07-2009 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by reallynow
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Originally posted by sleckitty
How can she call him a read neck?

He is a Jew for starters.
Is he Jewish? Hence Isaac, boy Bea is STUPID!
Are you sure he is Jewish?

And not of Catholic Irish desent?

reallynow 31-07-2009 06:33 PM

Anyway, when Bea used the term REDNECK she didnt mean it in an indearing manner, she was being a snob and started to look her nose down on him and went into her jerry springer rant!

fitz2k2 31-07-2009 06:34 PM

yes redneck is racist

reallynow 31-07-2009 06:35 PM

Anyway, when Bea used the term REDNECK she didnt mean it in an indearing manner, she was being a snob and started to look her nose down on him and went into her jerry springer rant!

Cybele 31-07-2009 06:36 PM

Uh.... there are rednecks that are jews, catholics, baptists, athiests, etc. There are rednecks that are black, white, asian, American Indian, etc. There are rednecks that are rich and poor and in between. There are rednecks that are well educated. There are rednecks that quit school at age 12. Like I said above, think about the Dukes of Hazard. Everyone from Boss Hogg to Uncle Jesse is a redneck.

And redneck ABSOLUTELY is not the same as calling someone a ni**er. Get that right out of your mind.

But... Isaac is still not a redneck. However, Bea admitted that she wasn't sure what it meant.

Appearance_Of_A_Junky 31-07-2009 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by reallynow


FYI , he is Jewish (most probably loaded), well travelled and in love with noirin, so go take you ignorance else where
Is that comment innocent or are you implying a stereotype of your own there?

Appearance_Of_A_Junky 31-07-2009 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by reallynow


FYI , he is Jewish (most probably loaded), well travelled and in love with noirin, so go take you ignorance else where
Is that comment innocent or are you implying a stereotype of your own there?

The_Long_Run 31-07-2009 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by kisywisy
no she wasn't right to call him a redneck. she was being a snob.

he's an american with an american accent. they think he's arrogant yank because of those two facts.
I think they ae basing it on a bit more than that! His boorish behaviour for example.... OOOPS is boorish acceptable? Boor = coarse, awkward, rude person (From the Boers = Poor dutch farmers in South Africa origins of apartheid.)

reallynow 31-07-2009 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Appearance_Of_A_Junky
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Originally posted by reallynow


FYI , he is Jewish (most probably loaded), well travelled and in love with noirin, so go take you ignorance else where
Is that comment innocent or are you implying a stereotype of your own there?

Nice stereotype. Jewish people arent lazy in the sligtest and good asset to any nation.

reallynow 31-07-2009 06:37 PM

Anyway, Bea shouldnt have gone there at all, WHY?

Cybele 31-07-2009 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by stickydatepudding
Redneck can just be another word for bigot, doesn't necessarily mean anything to do with race, or locality in the US.
Uh... no.

A redneck is a country lifestyle.

A bigot is someone who discriminates against others who are different whether it be race, nationality, religion, gender, etc.

MissKittyFantastico 31-07-2009 06:39 PM

I have friends from North Carolina and they are proud to call themselves rednecks! Rednecks to them is not an insult as most people over there use it to describe someone who is from the country.

However Bea admitted she didn't even know what the term 'redneck' meant, and it obviously was meant to be an insult so I would suggest she learns what words actually means in future before she uses them.

Also Marcus mentioned the word 'pikey' and that is a totally different thing to redneck.

Jayson 31-07-2009 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by fitz2k2
yes redneck is racist
That is the most uneducated and stupid comment I have ever read.

It is not racist whatsoever, Redneck isn't a race is it? and anyone who thinks it is, is a stupid fool.

It may be insulting, but it isn't serious, it was said out of context by Bea, so therefore it shouldn't be taken as a personal insult, like is someone called a woman a man, its not serious.

muchadoaboutnothing 31-07-2009 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by loomy
No - she also called him a pikey. Her and Freddie both proceeded to have a smug little laugh about Lisa's life and the fact that she is on benefits when Freddie is as much a scrounger as she is as he he doesn't have a job.

It's blatant snobbism. Words like 'redneck' and 'pikey' imply someone of a low class.
Just out of interest - where did you see Bea and Freddie proceeding to have a smug little laugh about Lisa's life and the fact that she in on bebefits. Was it on the HL show last night?

Appearance_Of_A_Junky 31-07-2009 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by reallynow
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Originally posted by Appearance_Of_A_Junky
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Originally posted by reallynow


FYI , he is Jewish (most probably loaded), well travelled and in love with noirin, so go take you ignorance else where
Is that comment innocent or are you implying a stereotype of your own there?

Nice stereotype. Jewish people arent lazy in the sligtest and good asset to any nation.
The stereotype doesn't mean that the have money because they work hard. Its about the fact that in times gone past Jewish people were the only money lenders as it wasn't allowed by Christians. Thats why they are portrayed as money seeking.

That comment is actually worse than the one you are appalled by.

Appearance_Of_A_Junky 31-07-2009 06:40 PM

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Originally posted by reallynow
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Originally posted by Appearance_Of_A_Junky
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Originally posted by reallynow


FYI , he is Jewish (most probably loaded), well travelled and in love with noirin, so go take you ignorance else where
Is that comment innocent or are you implying a stereotype of your own there?

Nice stereotype. Jewish people arent lazy in the sligtest and good asset to any nation.
The stereotype doesn't mean that the have money because they work hard. Its about the fact that in times gone past Jewish people were the only money lenders as it wasn't allowed by Christians. Thats why they are portrayed as money seeking.

That comment is actually worse than the one you are appalled by.

reallynow 31-07-2009 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
I have friends from North Carolina and they are proud to call themselves rednecks! Rednecks to them is not an insult as most people over there use it to describe someone who is from the country.

However Bea admitted she didn't even know what the term 'redneck' meant, and it obviously was meant to be an insult so I would suggest she learns what words actually means in future before she uses them.

Also Marcus mentioned the word 'pikey' and that is a totally different thing to redneck.

Yep, and some black people like to call themselves the N word too, and rap about it.

You can defend it all you like, however the context of the manner Bea was using it was as if Isaac should be ashamed of himself and mocking him.

SoFarSoGood282 31-07-2009 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by reallynow
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Originally posted by sleckitty
How can she call him a read neck?

He is a Jew for starters.
Is he Jewish? Hence Isaac, boy Bea is STUPID!
Just because he's called Isaac doesn't mean he's Jewish...... my friend is called Isaac and he's Catholic:pat::pat: So how could she be stupid.... ignorant maybe

MissKittyFantastico 31-07-2009 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by reallynow
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Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
I have friends from North Carolina and they are proud to call themselves rednecks! Rednecks to them is not an insult as most people over there use it to describe someone who is from the country.

However Bea admitted she didn't even know what the term 'redneck' meant, and it obviously was meant to be an insult so I would suggest she learns what words actually means in future before she uses them.

Also Marcus mentioned the word 'pikey' and that is a totally different thing to redneck.

Yep, and some black people like to call themselves the N word too, and rap about it.

You can defend it all you like, however the context of the manner Bea was using it was as if Isaac should be ashamed of himself and mocking him.
I'm not defending it, I'm explaining what the word acually means.

I also said however, that Bea obviously meant it as an insult, so wind your neck in will you?

Cybele 31-07-2009 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by reallynow
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Originally posted by MissKittyFantastico
I have friends from North Carolina and they are proud to call themselves rednecks! Rednecks to them is not an insult as most people over there use it to describe someone who is from the country.

However Bea admitted she didn't even know what the term 'redneck' meant, and it obviously was meant to be an insult so I would suggest she learns what words actually means in future before she uses them.

Also Marcus mentioned the word 'pikey' and that is a totally different thing to redneck.

Yep, and some black people like to call themselves the N word too, and rap about it.

You can defend it all you like, however the context of the manner Bea was using it was as if Isaac should be ashamed of himself and mocking him.
If you would have read everything she said, she admits that Bea used the word as an insult to Isaac even if she wasn't sure what it meant.

And rappers using the N word is not the same as rednecks using the term "redneck." The word "redneck" was never used as a hate word like the N word was. Redneck describes a country lifestyle. The N word was used to degrade black people.

reallynow 31-07-2009 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by SoFarSoGood282
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Originally posted by reallynow
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Originally posted by sleckitty
How can she call him a read neck?

He is a Jew for starters.
Is he Jewish? Hence Isaac, boy Bea is STUPID!
Just because he's called Isaac doesn't mean he's Jewish...... my friend is called Isaac and he's Catholic:pat::pat: So how could she be stupid.... ignorant maybe

Read in another post fart face, I then went on to question if he really isnt Catholic Irish desent!


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