This \'bandwagon\' rolling against Freddie is way off
 

I've been reading and enjoying the forums for a few weeks now (thanks guys!), but finally felt it time to put in my little diatribe even if it falls off the track quickly.

All this 'turnaround' against Freddie - I just don't get it. Freddie is simply beasotted. All the Freddie haters/dislikers/ex-fans seem to simply feel that he has somehow become 'unworthy' as a HM. It is so obvious - he is 23 (I'm 38 and see 23 as a young age of potential naivety, indeed it's not far out of adolescence!!) and he's simply been spellbound. He expresses this in perhaps unusual ways, some of which may appear rather sycophantic and even 'creepy' to some, but I just don't see this in him at all. For me, it really is a case of 'bless him' (with a touch of delusion - we have ALL been there in some form!). I really feel sorry for him now. Yes, he is still responsible for his actions and some of them have cringed me out, but when you really look at him all I can see is a kind soul. Look at the whole person and the whole time someone has been in the house. Also... (sorry, I may as well get it all out while I can!)....

That song he sung was not only extremely funny (cringingly so on first listen, but has since made the family laugh out the windows on a few occassions - 'sex outside weather' one of best lines of the series), but also came from the heart. Again, true expression. To me this is TRULY being oneself. ****** those who think he's making a fool of himself.

And as for 'derangingly' laughing at Lisa in that clip on C4 website where she's ranting at him - that is his laugh of slightly immature, but probably deserved revenge for all her previous plotting where she thought he was an easy target. She showed how threatened she was today. A bully never likes it when they have been stood up to/shown out/weakened etc..

I do wish he'd part waves with Bea as he does seem to be riding on her waves, but it aint gonna happen I fear. She's even been holding his hand in bed most of tonight as she feels upset about being nominated! This will not stop me liking him. Either you like someone or you don't. I like him and unless he really 'hurts' someone in there, will continue to do so until the end.

:thumbs2: aye it's all a good bit of fun innit!

I agree with every point you made there, brilliant first post :bouncy:

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I don't think there is a band wagon force against Fredie at this stage......However he is showing himself to being some what delusional about his relationships.....He thinks too much for his own good.......Very posh most of the time yet very very crude and big headed regarding sexual matters......I think more and more people will take such characteristics on board and he will lose popularity...

The arrival of Bea has shown up the crass delusional side of his personality..........Not a pretty sight as with her around he behaves like his new name.....Like a halfwit......

One very good point:
He is, after all, 23 years old. When you get in your thirties you can really see just how 'adolescent' that age was.
At the time, nobody thinks that. You are convinced you got it all figured out.

I suppose what has turned everyone off was that he was beyond confident in his 'analysis' and to the point of sheer arrogance and even disbelief anyone would question it.
Of course we at home have the advantage of knowing he is wrong. Camp Frankenstein is annoying as hell and I couldn't handle him for more than 2 minutes at a time,
but,
he has not come in with any 'game plan', doesn't work off of his advantage of what happened before and has actually befriended those people who he likes and doesn't like.
He sure as hell wouldn't have taken up with Lisa instead of Freddy if that were true!
Freddy and even Siavash have become as deluded and arrogant as Marcus and now cannot even comprehend how anyone would not act according to their 'paradigm' they are so certain.

But Freddy was getting on my tits weeks ago and has been downhill ever since.
His 'maniacal laughter' does not, in itself, bother me as much as yet again another annoyingly inappropriate response with more inexplicable nasal wheezing, titters and drawls.
Seriously, he is mentally retarded and probably from drug-induced gay sex orgies.
Obscenely wealthy, lazy, useless, arrogant twit.

Good sir, I want to shake your hand for this post. Very well written, and straight to the point. I agree completely. :thumbs:

Perfect timing!!!! Following the post it does!

Point taken bananarama...but as I said, it's about the whole person, not just the 'half-bit'! He has been taken in by a girl, and as WE can see that, surely we can cut him some slack...as for the sexual matters, don't think he is being 'big-headed', simply immature and slightly delusional 23 year old ramblings (but come on, some of it is also very funny viewing!!)

Mmmmm. You know what BB fans are like...They are a ruthless lot cutting very little slack if a personality defect or behavour emerges......Freddie i still believe is quite conceited with regard to his sexual attraction.......He gets hold of the wrong end of the stick because he is self absorbed about his own fantasies......

I agree with everything you said J-rock

Wow ElProximo. A post that goes from sounding really level-headed to rather derangingly Freddie-hating (and prejudiced) - scary!

Do like your pic though!

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Lol, clearly I was talking about J-Rock's message. If I had meant ElProximo's post I would have used the quote function to make that obvious. :tongue:

I used to be Freddie's biggest fan, but im definitely not anymore.

He's just become more and more annoying for me, and the final straw is him falling for an absolute ****** like Bea.

:thumbs::thumbs::wavey::cheer: Great post.

Yeah, I just like to mix it up a bit. It's like a surprise ending sort of thing.
Cheers :hugesmile:

j-Rock you are my god:thumbs:

at last someone speaks sense about Freddie and everything you say has proved the haters wrong.

For me once Bea goes he be back to the old freddie

This is why not many of them will post in this thread, they will just ignore it, as they cant argue :tongue:

true a lot of them are losers trying to big up mistakes

well... im watching for the states, so until about 20 minutes ago when i joined these boards I've had no connection to and public opinion about the show...

and I've soured on him.

im not saying some people aren't getting swept up... im only saying some people got to see a new side of him recently and they didnt like it very much.

fair enough but to me he's seems the same nice guy

Haha "beasotted". I'm using that one. :thumbs:

Welcome to the forums, btw.

First post my ass. Another account, more like. :rolleyes:

You make excuses for him because he is '23'. My 16 year old wouldn't be cruel to anyone (like he was to David) just because he fancies someone. NO EXCUSE!

A man with a mind of his own and good morals wouldn't cast them aside for a woman who is obviously a big headed, patronizing bitch. If that is the sort of person he is attracted to, then there is something badly wrong with him.
You say unless he 'hurts someone' you will continue to like him. Don't you see that he hurt David, and was HORRIBLE to him - questioning in an arrogant way who he chose to be friends with?
That was way out of order, and his age is no excuse! :mad:

oh another hater and david was a prat anyway

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That is not the view of most. :bigsmile:

First off, welcome to the forum mate. :thumbs:

Yeah, fair point with regards to Bea she's portayed herself as pretty much his ideal woman, and he's fallen head over heels, from the moment they sat on the smokers bench and she spilt alcohol on his jacket, the fella was smitten. Good on him, fancying someone, lusting after them, falling in love it's a beautiful thing, it's uncomfortable to watch someone fall for someone who has played him from the start.

I've never been a 'fan' of Freddie, and whilst yes some of his behaviour can be justified by his feelings for Bea, there have been a number of circumstances where I've thought - what a plonker.
1. the rabbit night - he gave this big melodramatic performance as if he were in a hollywood movie, acting as a lawyer defending a client in court, wildy gesticulating with his hands. Personally, if there's a problem...let's sit down, have a chat. No need for a showstopping performace, it just made more of a farce out of the situation. He's not in the house of commons yet!!
2. Most recently the snide comments about David whilst layed beside the pool with Markus. I dislike arrogance, and for him to agree with Markus that the two of them should have gone to the diary room to pick the most entertaining housemate, was immature, and extremely arrogant to believe he had a superior right over others to do anything in the house.

There's more instances, but I think you get the jist as to why personally i've not been too impressed with him at times.



Yes the song was from the heart, and I'm all for self expression, the intention behind the song was very sweet. My one problem is the delusion in that he sees himself as a talented singer, for a guy who prides himself on being intelligent I thought he'd have a bit more self awareness. Or maybe like you say it's just down to being young and his self awareness will develop with time.

Lisa was pretty nasty to Freddie in the first few weeks. Fair enough that since then Freddie has voiced his opinions to the likes of Siavash, markus, noirin and bea. I think there can come a time when a situation has calmed down to an extent, (i don't think Lisa has 'bullied' freddie since Chris left) and it's actually Freddie which is antagonising the situation. Revenge yes, but it was done in a very arrogant manner. Yes on the whole he's probably a nicer person than Lisa, but that air of superiority creeps in of 'i'm better than you' and I don't like that in a person.

Not nice to see anyone get their heart broken, it's a shame his feelings are getting in the way and he's unable to see Bea for what she is. I'm suprised Markus and Siavash haven't said 'you do know this girl is whinging about you behind your back'. Having as some would argue been bullied in the first few weeks, it seems somewhat ironic the roles have reversed and he's now supporting the behaviour of a bully.

That's just my take on it all mate, what I would say is that he has been an entertaining housemate. I think he's been put on a pedastol by some people when in reality he's just another human being with good and bad traits.

Great post. I do think he is seeing the light with Bea - he told her early this morning that she moans too much and is bitchy and should chill out more.

good first post:thumbs:
worth waiting for

I agree,well said,I'm still supporting Freddie

Hes bloody annoying lets face it!

Triple agreed.

To be fair, Jet makes a good point and surely "being a prat" is not a reason for someone to be ganged up on to the point of possible bullying. You can have a view on here without it coming from a position of hate you know.

I do agree with a lot of what J-Rock says, but there is 2 sides to all of this and we have to try to be more objective in what we see/say. I am certainly more in the Marcus & Freddie camp (but not Bea - great housemate/bitch) on the show in general, and I can't stand Lisa, but we can't be blind to the times when the ones we like are in the wrong. It doesn't mean that I suddenly want them evicted. Lisa and David have been unfairly treated lately (sometimes they've deserved it too) but she's still a bitch and I want her out to see to look on her face, just not yet though.

Freddie needs a slap round the head to see some sense.:thumbs:

DO NOT LIKE HIM FREDDIE TO GO ON FRIDAY HE IS BITCHING NOW :pat:

OP great post! :banana:

I have always liked freddie but since bea has been there he is doing just what lisa was doing in the first few weeks, every time bea has a go at david he gets involved, He has always called lisa for her and her little crew ganging up on people but he carnt see bea is using him. One night she tells him not to touch her then last nght on live feed she was snuggled up again, she is the game player if she stays on friday she will tell him to p..off again.I hope she goes then freddie mihgt get back to his old self

The problem with Jet's response is the assumption: 'first post my ass' - this simply discredits the rest of the response for me, but I read it anyway.

OK, age not an 'excuse', but you're talking like he's committed a crime. Age simply helps explain why and how Freddie has become infatuated with Bea (context), and then 'gone along' with alot of her 'flow'.

Much of the 'bitching' attributed to Freddie has simply been him nodding in agreement to some things said (and not all in my opinion - he has at times shown disagreement). I agree he has sometimes come across not so great. But this is the point: as soon as Freddie has shown certain 'traits' (that they have ALL shown in terms of taking sides, bit of bitching etc. that we ALL do in everyday life), the haters have come out gunning for him on their bandwagon.

It seems odd how David has suddenly appeared as a 'nice sweet guy' who is being picked on, when all I can remember before 'buttergate' was a man who was quite gobby and bitchin with Lisa. Not saying he's a bad man, but don't remember him being all sweet and innocent.

Freddie is an odd chap, with odd mannerisms and that's what makes him Freddie. Either you like him or you don't. To me he is an endearing character who has been a bit of a love sick puppy of late and made some mistakes...quite simple really...

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i like freddie, hope he stays this week

freddies not going anywhere :D he still has some hardcore loyal fans who will vote to save him!!!!!! 09016 16 16 05!

Please please explain how he was cruel to Davith? All he did was speak his mind and warn him about Lisa! He did not raise his voice, swear or name call unlike Lisa!