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Tom4784 15-08-2009 11:58 AM

If cameras were on people 24/7 most would turn out like Bea.
 
I was just thinking about this, If we look at Bea what's the worst thing she's done? Bitched? Called somebody a tw*t? (Get the electric chair ready, SHE'S EVIL!!!??!!). I was thinking that Bea's no worse then most people would be if they were filmed constantly, are people on here honestly claiming on here that they've never come back from work/school/college ETC and went' 'Ugh that ____ is a complete *****/Tw*T ETC?

Being constantly filmed would obviously lead to the ugly sides of a person coming out eventually, Everyone bitches, Everyone talks behind everyone's backs. It's just that BB has decided to use Bea's ugly sides to drive the mindless masses of sheep to 'VoTE THe DEMONIC VILE SLUT OUT!!!!! COMPLETE PSYCHO RAWR!!!!!!'.

The hate she gets is unjustified, she's not been the nicest HM but she's no worse then most people on here and in real life.

BB_Eye 15-08-2009 12:03 PM

You seem a little bit cynical. Freddie and Siavash were in the house for 10 weeks and never turned into the monster Bea is.

Tom4784 15-08-2009 12:04 PM

I think another reason why she is strongly disliked is because she's like a huge mirror to most fans. Her bitchiness is no different to most of the hate on here.

Staceee 15-08-2009 12:04 PM

Yeah she is no way as bad as people are making her out to be

Tom4784 15-08-2009 12:05 PM

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You seem a little bit cynical. Freddie and Siavash were in the house for 10 weeks and never turned into the monster Bea is.
Because they were portrayed as the heroes for BB's narrative arc. Everyone in that house will have had ugly moments, it's human nature but we've only seen what suits the narrative plan of BB.

InOne 15-08-2009 12:06 PM

Admin deleted. No personal comments. it is much more than just bitching.

Nebi 15-08-2009 12:08 PM

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Yeah she is no way as bad as people are making her out to be

Come on.. Are you stupid or what, 80% of the population would act normally even with camera. They wouldn't start crying over nothing and turn into some drama queen. Look at Marcus, Freddie, Sophie and Siavash. They act normally everyday and even Lisa does, she has a temper but she act normally.

Stop, think and vote.

Tom4784 15-08-2009 12:08 PM

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Ahhh all the deluded Bea fans. If you watched the show it is much more than just bitching.
You've lost the argument you're trying to start before you begun then, I've supplied a decent theory which applies to most HM's yet you've resorted to branding me delusional because you can't come up with a good counter point.

Staceee 15-08-2009 12:10 PM

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Yeah she is no way as bad as people are making her out to be

Come on.. Are you stupid or what, 80% of the population would act normally even with camera. They wouldn't start crying over nothing and turn into some drama queen. Look at Marcus, Freddie, Sophie and Siavash. They act normally everyday and even Lisa does, she has a temper but she act normally.

Stop, think and vote.
I mean she isn't 'Evil' like everyone is making out she is.

Where do you get this 80% from?

Tom4784 15-08-2009 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by Staceee
Yeah she is no way as bad as people are making her out to be

Come on.. Are you stupid or what, 80% of the population would act normally even with camera. They wouldn't start crying over nothing and turn into some drama queen. Look at Marcus, Freddie, Sophie and Siavash. They act normally everyday and even Lisa does, she has a temper but she act normally.

Stop, think and vote.
They've all bitched though, they've all accused others of gameplay. It's just that BB sugarcoated it to make them look likee the good guys.

There's no innocent people in that house, Bea's no saint but neither is any of them. They've all bitched and moaned and accused each other at one time or another.

Taijitu 15-08-2009 12:11 PM

It would be so easy to write a long list of all the things dislikable about her but it has all been said already. They are all on camera and none of the others have been even nearly as bad. It isnt just folk following a trend. People just hate the way she has backstabbed and belittled almost every other HM in there.

InOne 15-08-2009 12:12 PM

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Ahhh all the deluded Bea fans. If you watched the show it is much more than just bitching.
You've lost the argument you're trying to start before you begun then, I've supplied a decent theory which applies to most HM's yet you've resorted to branding me delusional because you can't come up with a good counter point.

Not really, seen as Bea lies, backstabs, manipulates situations and people. Plays the guilt and cute little girl cards all the time. Shows no remorse and is in her own bubble and thinks she can do no wrong. Laughs at other people when they are down. Have I just completely destroyed your argument or you want to go for round 2? She is without conscience.

Nebi 15-08-2009 12:13 PM

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Yeah she is no way as bad as people are making her out to be

Come on.. Are you stupid or what, 80% of the population would act normally even with camera. They wouldn't start crying over nothing and turn into some drama queen. Look at Marcus, Freddie, Sophie and Siavash. They act normally everyday and even Lisa does, she has a temper but she act normally.

Stop, think and vote.
I mean she isn't 'Evil' like everyone is making out she is.

Where do you get this 80% from?
From the housemates in the house.

Take 10 and count how many are drama queen.

Bea - drama queen
Rodrigo drama queen
Freddie
Marcus
Lisa
Siavash
David
Sophie
Charlie

Tom4784 15-08-2009 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Taijitu
It would be so easy to write a long list of all the things dislikable about her but it has all been said already. They are all on camera and none of the others have been even nearly as bad. It isnt just folk following a trend. People just hate the way she has backstabbed and belittled almost every other HM in there.
She has, I'm not disputing that. My point is that most people's ugly sides would come out in a similar situation, Other HM's have it's just that BB has omitted them or downplayed them to fit in with their narrative.

I want to reilliterate and earlier point, there's no innocent people in that house. I'll admit Bea's been a bitch but I think if we were to see all the footage not one housemates would come out smelling of roses.

Staceee 15-08-2009 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by Staceee
Yeah she is no way as bad as people are making her out to be

Come on.. Are you stupid or what, 80% of the population would act normally even with camera. They wouldn't start crying over nothing and turn into some drama queen. Look at Marcus, Freddie, Sophie and Siavash. They act normally everyday and even Lisa does, she has a temper but she act normally.

Stop, think and vote.
I mean she isn't 'Evil' like everyone is making out she is.

Where do you get this 80% from?
From the housemates in the house.

Take 10 and count how many are drama queen.

Bea - drama queen
Rodrigo drama queen
Freddie
Marcus
Lisa
Siavash
David
Sophie
Charlie
So that's 80% of the housemates and in your opinion.

Not the population

InOne 15-08-2009 12:17 PM

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It would be so easy to write a long list of all the things dislikable about her but it has all been said already. They are all on camera and none of the others have been even nearly as bad. It isnt just folk following a trend. People just hate the way she has backstabbed and belittled almost every other HM in there.
She has, I'm not disputing that. My point is that most people's ugly sides would come out in a similar situation, Other HM's have it's just that BB has omitted them or downplayed them to fit in with their narrative.

I want to reilliterate and earlier point, there's no innocent people in that house. I'll admit Bea's been a bitch but I think if we were to see all the footage not one housemates would come out smelling of roses.

Bea is alot worse than any of the others though, she would not stand out so much otherwise. The other ones who bitch are nice sometimes as well, she is evil all the time.

Sam! 15-08-2009 12:20 PM

I completely agree Dean. I don't think she is as bad as people make out by far. And people are such hypocrites, they say we're stupid for voting the entertaining people out yet want to vote Bea out. Who plainly is the most entertaining in there. She's a brilliant housemate.

Tom4784 15-08-2009 12:25 PM

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It would be so easy to write a long list of all the things dislikable about her but it has all been said already. They are all on camera and none of the others have been even nearly as bad. It isnt just folk following a trend. People just hate the way she has backstabbed and belittled almost every other HM in there.
She has, I'm not disputing that. My point is that most people's ugly sides would come out in a similar situation, Other HM's have it's just that BB has omitted them or downplayed them to fit in with their narrative.

I want to reilliterate and earlier point, there's no innocent people in that house. I'll admit Bea's been a bitch but I think if we were to see all the footage not one housemates would come out smelling of roses.

Bea is alot worse than any of the others though, she would not stand out so much otherwise. The other ones who bitch are nice sometimes as well, she is evil all the time.
All the time BBthat has allowed us to see she's 'evil'. I'm not saying she's done no wrong, I'm not some delusional fan who thinks their favourites can do no wrong, She's definately the biggest villain of this year I'm just saying in the long run is this hate justified when most people would be the same if they were filmed constantly.

InOne 15-08-2009 12:28 PM

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It would be so easy to write a long list of all the things dislikable about her but it has all been said already. They are all on camera and none of the others have been even nearly as bad. It isnt just folk following a trend. People just hate the way she has backstabbed and belittled almost every other HM in there.
She has, I'm not disputing that. My point is that most people's ugly sides would come out in a similar situation, Other HM's have it's just that BB has omitted them or downplayed them to fit in with their narrative.

I want to reilliterate and earlier point, there's no innocent people in that house. I'll admit Bea's been a bitch but I think if we were to see all the footage not one housemates would come out smelling of roses.

Bea is alot worse than any of the others though, she would not stand out so much otherwise. The other ones who bitch are nice sometimes as well, she is evil all the time.
All the time BBthat has allowed us to see she's 'evil'. I'm not saying she's done no wrong, I'm not some delusional fan who thinks their favourites can do no wrong, She's definately the biggest villain of this year I'm just saying in the long run is this hate justified when most people would be the same if they were filmed constantly.

You can't say 'most' people though, if that were true 'most' of the contestants would be like that.

Taijitu 15-08-2009 12:36 PM

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It would be so easy to write a long list of all the things dislikable about her but it has all been said already. They are all on camera and none of the others have been even nearly as bad. It isnt just folk following a trend. People just hate the way she has backstabbed and belittled almost every other HM in there.
She has, I'm not disputing that. My point is that most people's ugly sides would come out in a similar situation, Other HM's have it's just that BB has omitted them or downplayed them to fit in with their narrative.

I want to reilliterate and earlier point, there's no innocent people in that house. I'll admit Bea's been a bitch but I think if we were to see all the footage not one housemates would come out smelling of roses.
You are right to a point that everone is human and many have shown a bad side but none to quite the extent she has.

1. Kenneth: Most of them just realised he was going to hang himself but Bea purposefully wound him up then ran to complain that she was the victim.

2. Tom: Together with Kenneth she made sure everyone knew that she didnt want to stab Freddie in the back because she was such good friends with him thus making them both look like the villains.

3. Niorin: As soon as she realised opinion was going against Noirin she milked it for all it was worth. When Noirin left the rest were being quite wondering if they had over reacted whilse Bea just had to stand about saying how better off they were dispite the fact she had been Noirin's "friend" till then.

4. David: The Marcus side had it in for David a bit but it was Bea you egged Marcus to confront David over the food. She then egged David on and again turned it so she looked like the bullied victim whilse calling him everything under the sun.

5. Lisa: Tries to make arguments over the most petty of situations then runs to the diary room to call her a cockroach.

6. Freddie: After making sure to get in with him from the start she turns on him as soon as she realised she was going to be nominated every week as she was the weakest in the Marcus camp. He did insult her, after she had a go at him, but she could have made up as he would have wanted. Instead she chose to stick with Lisa and David so as not to be put up again. Pretty sick if you take in how she was with them just days before.

You are right bad sides are more exaggerated in there but none of the other house mates have been even close in their manipulations and backstabbing as Bea and it is quite amazing to see anyone who would think otherwise.

That being said I am interested if you can come up with anything that does show her in a good light as I dont really like to dislike someone as much as I do her. It is only a game show after all.:bigsmile:

Tom4784 15-08-2009 12:37 PM

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It would be so easy to write a long list of all the things dislikable about her but it has all been said already. They are all on camera and none of the others have been even nearly as bad. It isnt just folk following a trend. People just hate the way she has backstabbed and belittled almost every other HM in there.
She has, I'm not disputing that. My point is that most people's ugly sides would come out in a similar situation, Other HM's have it's just that BB has omitted them or downplayed them to fit in with their narrative.

I want to reilliterate and earlier point, there's no innocent people in that house. I'll admit Bea's been a bitch but I think if we were to see all the footage not one housemates would come out smelling of roses.

Bea is alot worse than any of the others though, she would not stand out so much otherwise. The other ones who bitch are nice sometimes as well, she is evil all the time.
All the time BBthat has allowed us to see she's 'evil'. I'm not saying she's done no wrong, I'm not some delusional fan who thinks their favourites can do no wrong, She's definately the biggest villain of this year I'm just saying in the long run is this hate justified when most people would be the same if they were filmed constantly.

You can't say 'most' people though, if that were true 'most' of the contestants would be like that.
But in BB there's a prize so most housemates keep their ugly sides guarded to win favour with the public. My original point was generally just being filmed constantly, not actually in BB.

Look at reality shows where the public doesn't decide who wins, the people on them resort to very ugly measures indeed. The thing what makes Bea seem worse then the other HM's is just that she isn't keeping that side of herself hidden to win favour with the public.

If we were to comb through the footage we'd probably see that they are all as bad as each other, albeit on an admittedly lesser scale then Bea since she's more upfront about it.

InOne 15-08-2009 12:38 PM

There is no good light, it is all superficial charm.

nanaimo 15-08-2009 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by Dezzy
I was just thinking about this, If we look at Bea what's the worst thing she's done? Bitched? Called somebody a tw*t? (Get the electric chair ready, SHE'S EVIL!!!??!!). I was thinking that Bea's no worse then most people would be if they were filmed constantly, are people on here honestly claiming on here that they've never come back from work/school/college ETC and went' 'Ugh that ____ is a complete *****/Tw*T ETC?

Being constantly filmed would obviously lead to the ugly sides of a person coming out eventually, Everyone bitches, Everyone talks behind everyone's backs. It's just that BB has decided to use Bea's ugly sides to drive the mindless masses of sheep to 'VoTE THe DEMONIC VILE SLUT OUT!!!!! COMPLETE PSYCHO RAWR!!!!!!'.

The hate she gets is unjustified, she's not been the nicest HM but she's no worse then most people on here and in real life.
Total BS, she is a bea-atch and no editing enhances that :yuk:

Jayson 15-08-2009 12:49 PM

I have to say I agree with Dezzy, I dislike Bea intensely but it is completely over the top on these forums. Sure, you're allowed to dislike a HM but it's not like she's murdered anyone, she's not as bad as Charley (BB8) or Alexandra (BB9). She doesn't threaten people, she doesn't scream the house down, she is just a contestant on a Reality TV show. She may be fake and she may bitch about the other HM's behind their backs, but it is like she is the Anti-Christ on these forums.

That said, I'm not expecting anything to change, and I don't particularly want it to change in the aspect of Bea being hated, but she is treated like the devil on TiBB.

InOne 15-08-2009 12:52 PM

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It would be so easy to write a long list of all the things dislikable about her but it has all been said already. They are all on camera and none of the others have been even nearly as bad. It isnt just folk following a trend. People just hate the way she has backstabbed and belittled almost every other HM in there.
She has, I'm not disputing that. My point is that most people's ugly sides would come out in a similar situation, Other HM's have it's just that BB has omitted them or downplayed them to fit in with their narrative.

I want to reilliterate and earlier point, there's no innocent people in that house. I'll admit Bea's been a bitch but I think if we were to see all the footage not one housemates would come out smelling of roses.

Bea is alot worse than any of the others though, she would not stand out so much otherwise. The other ones who bitch are nice sometimes as well, she is evil all the time.
All the time BBthat has allowed us to see she's 'evil'. I'm not saying she's done no wrong, I'm not some delusional fan who thinks their favourites can do no wrong, She's definately the biggest villain of this year I'm just saying in the long run is this hate justified when most people would be the same if they were filmed constantly.

You can't say 'most' people though, if that were true 'most' of the contestants would be like that.
But in BB there's a prize so most housemates keep their ugly sides guarded to win favour with the public. My original point was generally just being filmed constantly, not actually in BB.

Look at reality shows where the public doesn't decide who wins, the people on them resort to very ugly measures indeed. The thing what makes Bea seem worse then the other HM's is just that she isn't keeping that side of herself hidden to win favour with the public.

If we were to comb through the footage we'd probably see that they are all as bad as each other, albeit on an admittedly lesser scale then Bea since she's more upfront about it.

Well BB can't really be a true reflection of society or people. Seen as they all want the money. Bea though, I really don't know what she could be in for. Why did she even bother auditioning?????? Weird

noobism 15-08-2009 12:56 PM

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Taijitu 15-08-2009 12:56 PM

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I have to say I agree with Dezzy, I dislike Bea intensely but it is completely over the top on these forums. Sure, you're allowed to dislike a HM but it's not like she's murdered anyone, she's not as bad as Charley (BB8) or Alexandra (BB9). She doesn't threaten people, she doesn't scream the house down, she is just a contestant on a Reality TV show. She may be fake and she may bitch about the other HM's behind their backs, but it is like she is the Anti-Christ on these forums.

That said, I'm not expecting anything to change, and I don't particularly want it to change in the aspect of Bea being hated, but she is treated like the devil on TiBB.
Where is she being treated like the devil? People just dont like her and post their opinions thats what the forums are for. The fact she is getting negative reactions though is far more down to her doing then anyone elses.

Tenantry 15-08-2009 12:58 PM

If the cameras were on her for 24/7 I would be phoning ofcom.

Tom4784 15-08-2009 01:02 PM

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I was just thinking about this, If we look at Bea what's the worst thing she's done? Bitched? Called somebody a tw*t? (Get the electric chair ready, SHE'S EVIL!!!??!!). I was thinking that Bea's no worse then most people would be if they were filmed constantly, are people on here honestly claiming on here that they've never come back from work/school/college ETC and went' 'Ugh that ____ is a complete *****/Tw*T ETC?

Being constantly filmed would obviously lead to the ugly sides of a person coming out eventually, Everyone bitches, Everyone talks behind everyone's backs. It's just that BB has decided to use Bea's ugly sides to drive the mindless masses of sheep to 'VoTE THe DEMONIC VILE SLUT OUT!!!!! COMPLETE PSYCHO RAWR!!!!!!'.

The hate she gets is unjustified, she's not been the nicest HM but she's no worse then most people on here and in real life.
Remind me to avoid you in life, if your anything like Bea i want to make sure we never come into contact, not my cup of tea at all.
Give me a D
Give me an E
Give me an N
Give me and I
Give me and A
Give me an L!

So you've NEVER bitched in your life or said anything negative about anyone ever? Bitching just a way to allow people to vent and get over any problems they have with someone.

Bitching is not a bad thing, it's completely natural.

InOne 15-08-2009 01:05 PM

She does more than just bitch though!!!!!!!!!!!

Tenantry 15-08-2009 01:10 PM

You should read this blog on her.

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Earlier I wrote how crap is TV and how dead is the format of Big Brother, the ten year Channel 4 filler for summer. I still think this, but what follows is by revision and confession.

Suddenly I am interested, because I have been watching a masterclass at work. If some months back you entered Bea Hamill into a search engine, you would have received many results about a recruitment person in the Bristol area. This is the person who is demonstrating a masterclass of character through her appearance on Big Brother. She would have been better on The Apprentice given its methodology of business.

When she entered the Big Brother House late on she made a moral case for ignoring a subterfuge task as she attached herself to whom she knew was a leading character, indeed one likely to win. He is Freddie George Fisher, of upper class origins and intelligent too, and a bit eccentric in his analysing and mediating. Having so attached herself, she started a round of criticising others while at the same time acting the innocent, cultivating sympathy elsewhere. She cleverly forced Freddie Fisher to stop being neutral, and he emotionally found himself having to analyse and mediate in her favour. She cleverly used small incidents (though, like any total institution, small incidents are big incidents, and any dispute is chewed over and over) to go on and on about something, whilst at the same time complaining others were going on and on about it.

What fascinated me was how in recent days she turned, and instead of me putting half an eye on the programme and even live bits, I started paying more attention. She turned on Freddie Fisher ruthlessly. For anyone who can identify a Machiavellian streak, she has it in spades. She clearly worked out how he identifies himself, as a warm, mediating, interesting individual, and when she stuck the knife in she went right for his core personality. She called him "paranoid", told him to "analyse yourself", and he said he does (taking steps backwards metaphorically). She said, "You're not so clever as you think you are." You could see the effect of just these few words, and his emotional investment was being destroyed. But he wasn't a fool, and told her before going off, "Watch your back." Later he tried to mediate at a time when she had made that emotional connection before, and she tore into him again and he withdrew into her command for silence.

[Corrections made] The next night she had moved her bed away from his, and thanks to friends Marcus Atkin and Siavish Sabbaghpour, he deprived her of what she needed: talk. Talk is her weapon. They said, in effect, keep away. Freddie Fisher meanwhile got continued emotional support from these happy rule breakers, both of whom had been 'wronged by women' in the House, Marcus Atkin most recently by Bea Hamill herself, and the lads at least add some humour into the tired format. What she was doing the next night was going on and on about Freddie Fisher to others, and how she was wronged. The other party were now giving her sympathy, saying she is the only person probably who can take him on given their intelligence levels. She didn't challenge that, because she listens and adds what she hears to her armoury. Yet it hadn't been long before when she was doing the same to them.

One can imagine Bea Hamill in business, climbing the greasy poll, sussing out the people around her, finding their basis of existence in their jobs and who they are, and finding the words by which to cut them down. She persists too and she will quickly and cleverly turn the whole thing around so that they are the guilty party and she was only speaking innocently.

It is a masterclass is the use of language. She goes on and on, but few words do the necessary job. However, there is a flaw in all this, and here is where I would hope she comes a cropper. In terms of the game show, once she is up for eviction on a vote to remove the nominated (I don't know as I write) she will be out. But what about more generally?

First of all, in any strategy like this, going round and round, gaining sympathy from a party you were wronging not long ago is a debased currency. It might work on the first circuit, but it won't work if you have to keep repeating it. Secondly, the way to treat such an individual is indeed to back off, to detect who they are and how they operate. By keeping a distance and keeping a sense of your own moral island with defences, whilst engaging carefully with others, you will better withstand the onslaught, and if you need to put in a knife it will be all the more effective.

I didn't see earlier weeks of Big Brother well enough to know the background she will have studied. As I understand it, and before the second batch of people came in, Freddie Fisher was continually put up for eviction because he was different from everyone else in speech (it's a class thing) and they didn't like his mediating/ analysing. He survived week after week, and then they left him alone, and probably liked him better. Once Bea Hamill turned on him, the suppressed animosities must have returned, plus he now plays with the naughty boys, but the suggestion must be that he is stronger than she is, and actually she might find that he is as intelligent as he thinks he is.

But for the duration, her choice of words, and her delivery, and her persistence, was and is the real stuff of drama. It just fascinated me, because I couldn't have done it but I supposed I secretly (not so secretly!) admire her ability.

Incidentally her video to get her on the programme had stuff in it about polyamoury, and then on appearance she was on about babies and the like as if into monogamy. It was all nonsense for someone who puts up fronts and weighs people up and can, obviously, cut up adults.

I just wonder who she recruits for jobs and how she interviews them. She clearly looks at CVs and applications and sees what matters, and acts on them. I think if she was at the other side of the desk I might be shivering a little, but also I'd be weighing her up, and I'd try to offer things on spoons and keep the knives in the cutlery drawer and just try to keep a sword's length away.
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santaa 15-08-2009 01:23 PM

Interesting . Complex character.I also like to watch her and wonder what she will do next. Im not sure that she has a plan .What is she hoping to achieve/? Its not a winning strategy? She will have to change tactics at some point. Or maybe she believes the viewers are as deluded as the HMs

Tom4784 15-08-2009 01:26 PM

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You should read this blog on her.

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The Knife
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6J7IBvtuz0.../hamillbea.gif
Earlier I wrote how cr*p is TV and how dead is the format of Big Brother, the ten year Channel 4 filler for summer. I still think this, but what follows is by revision and confession.

Suddenly I am interested, because I have been watching a masterclass at work. If some months back you entered Bea Hamill into a search engine, you would have received many results about a recruitment person in the Bristol area. This is the person who is demonstrating a masterclass of character through her appearance on Big Brother. She would have been better on The Apprentice given its methodology of business.

When she entered the Big Brother House late on she made a moral case for ignoring a subterfuge task as she attached herself to whom she knew was a leading character, indeed one likely to win. He is Freddie George Fisher, of upper class origins and intelligent too, and a bit eccentric in his analysing and mediating. Having so attached herself, she started a round of criticising others while at the same time acting the innocent, cultivating sympathy elsewhere. She cleverly forced Freddie Fisher to stop being neutral, and he emotionally found himself having to analyse and mediate in her favour. She cleverly used small incidents (though, like any total institution, small incidents are big incidents, and any dispute is chewed over and over) to go on and on about something, whilst at the same time complaining others were going on and on about it.

What fascinated me was how in recent days she turned, and instead of me putting half an eye on the programme and even live bits, I started paying more attention. She turned on Freddie Fisher ruthlessly. For anyone who can identify a Machiavellian streak, she has it in spades. She clearly worked out how he identifies himself, as a warm, mediating, interesting individual, and when she stuck the knife in she went right for his core personality. She called him "paranoid", told him to "analyse yourself", and he said he does (taking steps backwards metaphorically). She said, "You're not so clever as you think you are." You could see the effect of just these few words, and his emotional investment was being destroyed. But he wasn't a fool, and told her before going off, "Watch your back." Later he tried to mediate at a time when she had made that emotional connection before, and she tore into him again and he withdrew into her command for silence.

[Corrections made] The next night she had moved her bed away from his, and thanks to friends Marcus Atkin and Siavish Sabbaghpour, he deprived her of what she needed: talk. Talk is her weapon. They said, in effect, keep away. Freddie Fisher meanwhile got continued emotional support from these happy rule breakers, both of whom had been 'wronged by women' in the House, Marcus Atkin most recently by Bea Hamill herself, and the lads at least add some humour into the tired format. What she was doing the next night was going on and on about Freddie Fisher to others, and how she was wronged. The other party were now giving her sympathy, saying she is the only person probably who can take him on given their intelligence levels. She didn't challenge that, because she listens and adds what she hears to her armoury. Yet it hadn't been long before when she was doing the same to them.

One can imagine Bea Hamill in business, climbing the greasy poll, sussing out the people around her, finding their basis of existence in their jobs and who they are, and finding the words by which to cut them down. She persists too and she will quickly and cleverly turn the whole thing around so that they are the guilty party and she was only speaking innocently.

It is a masterclass is the use of language. She goes on and on, but few words do the necessary job. However, there is a flaw in all this, and here is where I would hope she comes a cropper. In terms of the game show, once she is up for eviction on a vote to remove the nominated (I don't know as I write) she will be out. But what about more generally?

First of all, in any strategy like this, going round and round, gaining sympathy from a party you were wronging not long ago is a debased currency. It might work on the first circuit, but it won't work if you have to keep repeating it. Secondly, the way to treat such an individual is indeed to back off, to detect who they are and how they operate. By keeping a distance and keeping a sense of your own moral island with defences, whilst engaging carefully with others, you will better withstand the onslaught, and if you need to put in a knife it will be all the more effective.

I didn't see earlier weeks of Big Brother well enough to know the background she will have studied. As I understand it, and before the second batch of people came in, Freddie Fisher was continually put up for eviction because he was different from everyone else in speech (it's a class thing) and they didn't like his mediating/ analysing. He survived week after week, and then they left him alone, and probably liked him better. Once Bea Hamill turned on him, the suppressed animosities must have returned, plus he now plays with the naughty boys, but the suggestion must be that he is stronger than she is, and actually she might find that he is as intelligent as he thinks he is.

But for the duration, her choice of words, and her delivery, and her persistence, was and is the real stuff of drama. It just fascinated me, because I couldn't have done it but I supposed I secretly (not so secretly!) admire her ability.

Incidentally her video to get her on the programme had stuff in it about polyamoury, and then on appearance she was on about babies and the like as if into monogamy. It was all nonsense for someone who puts up fronts and weighs people up and can, obviously, cut up adults.

I just wonder who she recruits for jobs and how she interviews them. She clearly looks at CVs and applications and sees what matters, and acts on them. I think if she was at the other side of the desk I might be shivering a little, but also I'd be weighing her up, and I'd try to offer things on spoons and keep the knives in the cutlery drawer and just try to keep a sword's length away.
Posted by Pluralist (Adrian Worsfold)
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A very good article, it's probably made me like her more actually. She's an antagonistic character that is needed really.


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