Nikki and Aisleyne's popularity?
 

Why were some people booing Nikki at the finale? I thought she was the fan fave? I just watched the finale and I was like "what?".

And why the hell did Aisleyne finish 3rd after people chanted "Aisleyne Out" like 6 weeks in a row?

[rquote=2555753&tid=147214&author=iRyan]Why were some people booing Nikki at the finale? I thought she was the fan fave? I just watched the finale and I was like "what?".

And why the hell did Aisleyne finish 3rd after people chanted "Aisleyne Out" like 6 weeks in a row?[/rquote]

You were mistaken. Nikki was never the fan favourite. She was only in the final because she was a favourite of the producers, who fixed the show to put her back in. Aisleyne finished 3rd because they edited against her. She was robbed. She could have won and should definitely have come second. It was against the odds that she finished below Glyn. The rentamob chanting "Aisleyne Out" did not mean that everyone wanted her out. Aisleyne defeated Nikki in two public votes: one to evict and one to win. She was more popular than Nikki.

Nikki was equally loved as she was hated, and she was evicted because her fans couldn't save her. Nikki was booed at the final because people didn't agree with BB bringing an ex-Hm back, and they didn't believe her romance with Pete. Also, many Nikki fans had moved on and supported different housemates. Her popularity wasn't what it was when she was previously in the house. Also, when Nikki was away Aisleyne had become increasingly popular. She was the new Nikki to a certain extent. Had Aisleyne been up for eviction against Imogen and/or Richard the week before the final, she would have gone. But, in the final her fans could vote for her to win, and her haters had no way to evict her - other than to try and stop her winning by voting for their favorites.

Oh, I see now.

boldjohn, Nikki had to be a fan favorite before she she receieved enormous cheers her first eviction and people were chanting her name. But I guess she's such a strong character that you either love her or you hate her. I was suprised people liked Richard and Lea. They annoyed the hell out of me but I guess I grew to like Richard towards the end a bit.

i loved aisleyne
she learned how to be herself in the house
and i really think she's genuine
she should have won ! :thumbs:

Glyn should of won
he will always be one of my favourite HMs

If she were a fan favourite, she would have finished higher than 5th place in a vote to win.

i love em both. what counts is that Glyn did not win :) i hate him, "Team Plastics" arse licker.

Aisleyne stole the show for me. Her transformation was fantastic. Went in as some ghetto wannabe and left as probably the most sincere level-headed person there.

Nikki was just an annoying rat.

Trahsleyne doesn't deserve to be compared with BB golden most entertainer HM ever. Thats right guys, best ever voted in channel 8 out of 10 cats.

This.

And for the record, eviction night crowds are no indication as to a housemates popularity. They would stand in a line for eight hours for the chance to boo a stick on a string to feel better about there own overweight, wine sipping, Hollyoak's Omnibus lives.

Aisleyne is my favourite housemate of all time. A lot of people could relate to the way she wasw ignored and treated by other housemates - which was horrible btw. But she came out on top and was entirely herself. I love her!

They were housemates in the same house. One was evicted and was thrown back in. Even then, she only finished 5th. Nothing golden about that and no Mickey Mouse vote would change what they both were: housemates in the same house. Aisleyne was shown to be more popular than Nikki in a vote to evict when Nikki was evicted. At that time, Nikki was shown to be the least popular when evicted over everyone except Jayne. Aisleyne then defeated Nikki in a vote to win in the final. She won both a positive and negative vote against Nikki. The BB eviction votes decided who was the most popular and the least popular. Nothing else is of any significance.

I think that you can discount that vote.

Whichever of the ex housemates re-entered the BB House in Week 13 would have suffered from the public backlash against the returning housemate.

Therefore it was not a 'fair' vote in that regards in distinguishing the popularity of the two housemates.

Kind of null point there.

Had the last vote been to evict, you would have a point, as people would think, well she was put back in so lets evict her again. It was positive, so any 'fans' she had would have saved her. It is very unlikely that people voted for each of the other 'finalists' just so that nikki left again when she did.

By many Aisleyne is considered as one of the all time great Hms, the producers bad editing of her, didnt stop intelligent people voting for her to win. Glad she got to 3rd place :) Fave HM ever.

Aisleyne really did change, from a potty mouth chav to a more caring and loving individual. Ahe is probably 1 in only 5 HMs across teh 10 years that had actually had a real journey in there.

So there should have been a public backlash. Nikki shouldn't have been given a second chance and the voting public were prooved to be misled. The comparison should not have been possible because Nikki or any of the HND housemates shouldn't have even been there. They'd had their time. They'd had their interviews and their week on BBLB. They were not entitled to any more exposure. Rather than being discounted, the vote to win and the vote to win are the only proper means of judging popularity. They are all that counts just the same as any other popular vote.

Please produce examples of bad editing. She got away with quite a bit.

The weekend before final nominations she spent most of it flirting with and manipulating Glyn to ensure that Glyn did not nominate her. Once she found out that she was not up for nomination the flirting with Glyn stopped. That is why Glyn hardly spoke to her from that point onwards. Yet none of this was shown in the highlights show. :nono:

She was very lucky to get to the final. In week 6, if it was not for the HND Twist she would have been evicted there and then. It also meant that she was not nominated in week 7.

Then in week 12 she got lucky again when Pete 'changed' his nomination from Aisleyne to Glyn. She would have been evicted in week 12 and not got to the final.

By the end of BB7 she did not seem to get on with any of her fellow housemates. Why is that? Because they were fed up with her.

I agree that Nikki should not have been allowed back into the house. And most of the public agree with you.

But because there was a backlash against Nikki for going back in, she would never have got any votes from a floating voter. Only the real hardcore Nikki fan would have voted for her.

Therefore, you cannot use the final vote as a proper basis to seeing who was the most popular out of the two.

Discussion of the nomination changes made Aisleyne look bad, even though she had nothing to do with the decisions. Glyn's complaints were shown in the highlights shows. I don't blame Glyn for thinking she used him, but that doesn't mean than she did use him. Glyn and Jenny told blocked Ash out of their conversations because they were bitching about her. Every one of Aisleyne's faults was brought under the microscope. So they were fed up with her were they? Never mind Nikki's behaviour. That was just laughed off because they all thought she was popular. Aisleyne, who was believed by the housemates to be unpopular outside, was fair game for criticism and believed to be someone to keep away from.
Aisleyne prospered fromthe HND, but she was voted in by the public, so she enjoyed its advantages because that was whatthe public wanted. It was more based on her merits than on good fortune.

Anti Aisleyne editing:
Where do I start?
Little coverage of her funny late night chats with Michael.
Little coverage of the relentless anti-Ash bitching in the HND and in the house in the last week.
Stitch up in the final weeks with tasks.
Speech task presented to look as if Ash deliberately messed up her speech to damage Pete's chances of winning.
No coverage of Grace telling a pack of lies about telling Aisleyne where to get off when she went into the house.
Aisleyne was slaughtered in the BB supporting shows right up to the last week when the complaints came in. Then suddenly we began to hear from people who liked her.

Ex-housemates on BBBM threatened to target Aisleyne (some even threatened to hit her) when bidding for a place in the HND.

I believe it was a combination of the editing, the renta mob outside, the unfair treatment and the resulting effects on Aisleyne in the last 3 days that saw her popularity fall and caused her to finish in 3rd place.

But for Nikki being thrown back in on final week, I would no have had to make any such comparisons. In which case, it would be more straight forward to say that as a finalist, Aisleyne was the more popular housemate. Nikki was more popular in the earlier stages when Aisleyne came in as a newcomer, but Aisleyne's popularity shot up a week before the show ended.

Both Pete and Glyn were always going to finish 1st and 2nd. She never stood a chance of displacing them.

If anything it was the behaviour of the ex housemates in the HND that improved her popularity. She received a sympathy vote similar to Sara in BB9 (over Darnell and Rex 'bullying' Sara). That is the reason why she beat Richard.

If you read the forums the majority of the incidents you have highlighted probably helped her more than hindered her.

They showed hardly none of her fun side and late night chats with fellow HMs especially Michael, they made her look like she was a bitch, but LF watchers knew the truth. If BB7 had no red button like now, she would have been out in a week.... LF saved her as she was so fun on there.

BBLB and BBBM were literally eating her alive until LF viewers became increasingly annoyed with the editing and thought it was unfair she was getting such bad treatment from the sister shows. So viewers complained about her being portrayed so badly. People saw through the editing and voted her into 3rd place.

This problem would not occur again until Rachel won BB9 much to the dissapoitment of producers, leading to them scrapping LF as they didnt want the public to decide any longer.

Let's be honest, other BB7 housemates were portrayed far worse than Aisleyne. Funny, how much support she got on BBBM in the last week.

Sezer, for example, got a far worse edit than she did.

IMO, she did get THE worst edits of the series. Grace kind of did also, Sezer did at times, but he did have very arrogant moments, most of what he said was portrayed in that way.

But i still feel like Aisleyne did get the worst edit.

Aiseyne was second favourite with most bookies until the late afternoon on the final day, when some put Glyn up to 2nd. So for Glyn to finish 2nd, Aisleyne had to be displaced. I would accept that some incidents won sympathy with the forum members who watched the live feed. Very few of them liked Pete or Glyn. The trouble is most people just watched the highlights and saw a negative representation of Aisleyne. If Aisleyne did prosper from the editing, it would have been because people thought she was being unfairly treated. I gather that a similar thing happened to Rachel Rice in BB9.

Aww I liked Aishleyne but Pete and Glyn were consistently nice characters who played their BB games well :thumbs:

I agree that Sezer and Grace got bad edits. As soon as they were gone, Aisleyne started to be their new villain.

If bad edits = better entertainment then I am all for it.

Aisleyne was second favourite because of a story that appeared in the red tops stating that Aisleyne was ahead in the vote. I suspect that Pete and Glyn were always ahead but the producers, always looking at their profit line, started a rumour that Aisleyne was ahead in the vote to 'encourage' Pete and Glyn fans to vote even more.

You say that people got a negative representation of Aisleyne. I disagree. The highlights showed the following incidents:-

a. sticking up for Michael when Richard called Michael a 'she';
b. calming down a row between Spiral and Jennie;
c. her comic turn of sticking 50 Malteasers in her mouth.

These and other incidents showed Aisleyne in a positive light.

Obviously, there were incidents that Aisleyne deservedly got lambasted for:-

a. flirting around with Pete in front of Nikki on her return from HND;
b. recounting a conversation she had with Grace to Mikey during the first spin-the-bottle where Grace was embarrassed by Mikey joining in with the game and Grace stated that she would '...not take Mikey home to meet her mother';
c. her behaviour over being labelled the top 'Mach' in the house with just ridiculous.

And BB did not show on the highlights show her taking advantage of an 18 year old boy by flirting with him during the weekend before final nominations just so she wouldn't be up for eviction. If the general public has seen that then she would have not been very popular at all.

There was nothing wrong with Aisleyne talking to Pete. At that time, Nikki and Pete were not an item and Pete was not anyone's property. Aisleyne did not come between Pete and Nikki when Pete made his feelings for Nikki clear.

It was good that the producers showed some of Aisleyne's postive points, but why shouldn't they have shown them if that's what she did? The negative stuff was usually heresay. It came from other housemates such a Nikki, Lea or Richard, who gave a running commentary on all the negative parts of her character. We rarely saw or heard see any evidence to back up their claims - just catchy slurs and insults, which were snapped up by BB presenters, who made it clear that Aisleyne was not their favourite. All of the presenters were horrible towards her until the complaints came in the final week.

Aisleyne's large internet following comprised people who'd enjoyed watching her on E4 and were disappointed to see so much positive Aisleyne moments exclluded from the highlights. We were watching a totally different show to the one which was manifactured for the highlights show. A newspaper article at the time quoted an inside source saying that the producers were engineering the programme to prevent Aisleyne from winning. Your suspicion that Pete and Glyn were always ahead overlooks the betting in the final week, which placed Aisleyne as second favourite. Some put Glyn as second favourite on Friday evening. Glyn had to overtake Aisleyne to come second.

I think that they did a bit more than just talk! She flirted with Pete, in front of Nikki, just to spite Nikki (and by the way I think Pete is just as bad).

Of course, but you take the rough with the smooth.

Let's look at Richard. The day before Grace's eviction, he had a conversation with Aisleyne concerning Imogen. Aisleyne called Imogen 'fake' and a 'manteef' during the conversation. Yet the following night, after the water incident, she was making up with Imogen and becoming her best friend. No wonder he and Lea had a go at Aisleyne's hypocrisy.

Then look at her tears :bawling: over Imogen's eviction. When Imogen was moved into the house next door with Richard, she celebrated the fact that she was in the final (while Pete, Jennie and Glyn were sad at the loss of their friends). All thought of her friend went right out of the window didn't it? Those tears were fake and a lot of people know it! :shocked:


If the producers were engineering the show to ensure that Aisleyne would not win then they did a pretty poor job.

She should have been nominated and evicted during the final set of nominations yet Pete, inextricably, changed his nomination from Aisleyne to Glyn. They could have got rid of her there and then. But it looks like they engineered it to keep her in!

Let's look at the final week. The moment that everyone talks about is Aisleyne's speech about Pete. The reaction to that speech (along with his 'I have a dream' speech) just exposed Pete's shallowness. Yet Aisleyne fans hold it up as bias against their girl!

The story you quoted was published in that paragon of truth, the Daily Star. :joker: Very reliable.

Point taken aabout the Star and you rightly point out the moments which could have worked in Aisleyne's favour. The producers had no involvement in Pete's nomination choices. It was more surprising to me when he did nominate Aisleyne than when he didn't nominate her. Ash never nominated Pete.

My problem with your argument is that the housemates were slagging her off, the presenters slagged her off, the audiences were slagging her off and the newspapers were slagging her off. I could not relate to any of the opinions about Aisleyne on the supporting shows. It looked like a stitch up. The reaction of the public to it does not mean that the producers tried to evoke sympathy for Aisleyne. They had a lynch mob of ex-housemates threatening her with physical violence. They sent in Grace to confront her before sending her other adversary, Nikki back into the house. None of this was intended to evoke sympathy. Aisleyne was the upstart latecomer that needed to be brought down spectacularly by the perceived big players.

This was character assassination from outside which influenced the behaviour within the house. If the public did feel sympathy for Aisleyne, that was because they knew that she had be unfairly treated and the vote for Aisleyne was a reaction against the actions of the producers. Some may have been put off Nikki and found Pete shallow, but I doubt if that was the intention. Yes I agree. They didn't do a good job.

Loved them both!
But Glyn should've won BB7!
:)

or Imogen :)

Oh god, don't get me started on that boring beauty :p

I wouldn't be so sure about the producers involvement in changing Pete's nomination. It was obvious that they planned for the nominated housemates in week 12 to be moved across to the HND. Logistically, seven people in the HND would have been one too many. Plus the arguments that would have arisen between Grace, Nikki, Mikey and Aisleyne would have been even greater in the even confined space.

But this worked in her favour. But sorry it did not make her a good housemate! But then again the only good housemate in the final six was Richard (people will disagree with me on that, I know).

Very similar to what happened in BB9 with Sara who somehow beat Rex, who was far and away the most memorable housemate from BB9. Sara came third because the public felt sympathy for the way she was 'bullied' by Rex, Mo and Darnell. But she was not a memorable housemate.

Sara wasn't bullied, like how I think Aisleyne wasn't bullied in BB7, Rex and co kept having digs at her and saying nasty things at times thats all. I liked Sara she was a fun, flirty, bubbly and nice girl plus she was pretty to me. She didn't do anything to offend anyone and was a decent person so I was pleased when she finished third as she didn't expect it and plus Darnell and co were expecting her to be evicted the week Mo and Kat left... their faces after:laugh2:. I loved seeing Rex and Darnell out before her their smirks were soon wiped off:joker:.

Sara is like my third fav from BB9:blush:.

It proves how different an "Evict" vote and a "Save/Win" vote can result in a huge turnaround.

Memorable housemates would go in an evict but not in a save. I heard that Aisleyne was 2nd next to go when Nikki went up against all those people. Aisleyne and Nikki were both like marmite. Aisleynes positive vote outweighed her negative vote making her get to 3rd place.

As I said before, people realised that Ais was getting bad edits, when you see the LF and the HLs there was a big difference.

For Aisleyne it really was panto, they were chanting "Get Aisleyne Out" but in the middle and at the end of her interview, there were pure cheers, no boos... even Davina said "Ohh there cheering her now" at the end of the interview.

Yeah but it's against forum rules to NOT like Aisleyne:rolleyes::p:joker:.

As for Nikki anything is allowed to be said about her:D.