Channel4 may have too change there minds now
 

Why!? PRODUCT PLACEMENT, thats why.
For the first time permission as been given for Television company's to show/advertise products on British Television shows.
For years aired programs have not been allowed to, BB always puts stickers over the products, Tee Shirts slogan, Soaps show products with labels facing away from Camera.
Under new rules, if advertisers pay for the product to be shown they can now do it.
And it's worth Millions to them.
BB as the potential to be in the Big Earners making it very viable to keep it going.
Watch this space.

Really?? hhmm, If they do keep it, I hope they get some new staff in cos their ideas were shite this year

Thats true actually, all the housemates shopping can be aired.

The entire Tesco shopping list could be advertised. So much air time.

It would also mean that named items that housemates wear could be funded by companys.

It would be like the Trueman show with HMs being told to show alot of certain products etc!!! Imagine Freddie getting into the mmmmmmmm................aaahhhhhh........mmmmmmmm. ..........Radox

I'm surprised this hasn't already been happening. They do it in America and in movies.

[rquote=2569567&tid=147617&author=Cybele]I'm surprised this hasn't already been happening. They do it in America and in movies. [/rquote]The ban lift was only just announced yesterday

And yes, this may rescue BB

Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.

[rquote=2569551&tid=147617&author=merv]Why!? PRODUCT PLACEMENT, thats why.
For the first time permission as been given for Television company's to show/advertise products on British Television shows.
For years aired programs have not been allowed to, BB always puts stickers over the products, Tee Shirts slogan, Soaps show products with labels facing away from Camera.
Under new rules, if advertisers pay for the product to be shown they can now do it.
And it's worth Millions to them.
BB as the potential to be in the Big Earners making it very viable to keep it going.
Watch this space.[/rquote]

LOL. Good point there, OP!:joker:

Poor Channel 4, what idiots!:pat:

The new regulation excludes children's programmes: you decide.

[rquote=2569588&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky]Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.[/rquote]

Not really. Considering how many US shows are watched here with high ratings, I don't see how anyone is adversely affected. So instead of seeing a can with a COLA sticker on it, we see a can of coke. Or rather than seeing a jacket or hat with tape across it, you will be able to see the Nike swoosh or whatever.

[rquote=2569587&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2569567&tid=147617&author=Cybele]I'm surprised this hasn't already been happening. They do it in America and in movies. [/rquote]The ban lift was only just announced yesterday

And yes, this may rescue BB[/rquote] I really do hope so.

[rquote=2569626&tid=147617&author=Cybele][rquote=2569588&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky]Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.[/rquote]

Not really. Considering how many US shows are watched here with high ratings, I don't see how anyone is adversely affected. So instead of seeing a can with a COLA sticker on it, we see a can of coke. Or rather than seeing a jacket or hat with tape across it, you will be able to see the Nike swoosh or whatever. [/rquote]

What does ratings have to do with it?

I can understand why it wouldn't be such a bad thing regarding TV shows that sensibly place products in, and yeah, its normallly clothing/drinks/food brands. Yet, I can't see how some programs wouldn't then start needing this to finance themselves (as BB is mentioned), but then when does it mean that instead of a cutaway to the garden with birds singing, it doesn't cut to a can of coke.

Do you think there is a difference between subliminal messaging and product placement.

Will the BBC be allowed to do it? What happens about the TV licence if so?

Big companies that have the money and the power can drive smaller business out with product placement as it does have an effect, is that such a good thing (especially in this country where most of the big companies aren't even domestically owned anymore) and we buy more American products and Japanese products that have the financial backing rather than the small independent ones.

Big business operate in a greedy way, why should we allow them another avenue to strangle the market place by over dominance?

its a good way for bb to make money as people like to skip ads

[rquote=2569707&tid=147617&author=vladicus]its a good way for bb to make money as people like to skip ads[/rquote]

Yeah, but the TV companies know that people do this (as do the ad companies) wouldn't that just encourage them to blitz the programs with PP?

The American TV shows have more ad breaks to keep you watching, could this happen here as well. They don't have ad breaks between programs as thats when you might change station, but they do have more during the shows, is this the way we want British TV to go?

Its not definate yet, its expected to be announced over the next week. Even if the ban is lifted for ITV etc, it will remain in place for the BBC, so no licence fee reductions - Ba****ds

It will be interesting to see how they deal with it in BB, will they allow all products to be displayed and give prominence to any that pay for placement, or do they blank out only those that havent paid? Booze would still have to be covered though especially if the medical profession force though the blanket ban on alcohol advertising.

OP you are forgeting 1 or 2 things= C4 will not be renewing the contract with endemol end of! and no other TV station wants anything to do with Big brother, the show as come to a natural death millions have turned off advertisers have pulled out because the show is not pulling in the viewers it once use to. ask your self this? would you waste your advertising revenue on a failing show? sorry that's bad business practice - advertisers are pulling away from BB and not trying to join the show, ever since the jade and the racism row big companies have wanted nothing to do with the show virgin, O2 ect.. now its lucozade next year who will it be? the fish and chip shop down the road?

[rquote=2569804&tid=147617&author=nut]OP you are forgeting 1 or 2 things= C4 will not be renewing the contract with endemol end of! and no other TV station wants anything to do with Big brother, the show as come to a natural death millions have turned off advertisers have pulled out because the show is not pulling in the viewers it once use to. ask your self this? would you waste your advertising revenue on a failing show? sorry that's bad business practice - advertisers are pulling away from BB and not trying to join the show, ever since the jade and the racism row big companies have wanted nothing to do with the show virgin, O2 ect.. now its lucozade next year who will it be? the fish and chip show down the road? [/rquote]

Can't be the chippy, that is fatty food and so that will be bad.

You can however advertise companies that exploit cheap foriegn labour and rape the earth though....

[rquote=2569809&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2569804&tid=147617&author=nut]OP you are forgeting 1 or 2 things= C4 will not be renewing the contract with endemol end of! and no other TV station wants anything to do with Big brother, the show as come to a natural death millions have turned off advertisers have pulled out because the show is not pulling in the viewers it once use to. ask your self this? would you waste your advertising revenue on a failing show? sorry that's bad business practice - advertisers are pulling away from BB and not trying to join the show, ever since the jade and the racism row big companies have wanted nothing to do with the show virgin, O2 ect.. now its lucozade next year who will it be? the fish and chip show down the road? [/rquote]

Can't be the chippy, that is fatty food and so that will be bad.

You can however advertise companies that exploit cheap foriegn labour and rape the earth though....[/rquote]why? they show MCdonalds on adds? and IMHO Tesco would ask to make sure their brand was coverd up on BB they would not want to be associated with the show in any way just like virgin and O2 have wanted nothing to do with it.

[rquote=2569588&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky]Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.[/rquote]People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:

[rquote=2570039&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2569588&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky]Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.[/rquote]People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:[/rquote]did they? who was that then? any links to what you say is true? that having sponsorship on programmes would destroy the world? Id love to know who said that PMSL

I think it's called 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted...'.:joker:

[rquote=2570039&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2569588&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky]Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.[/rquote]People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:[/rquote]

Well seeing as how sponsership is apart of commercialisation my point still stands, individual things won't but collectively they might.

Off to dinner now.

There is a huge difference between commercialisation and sponsoring a program.

[rquote=2570196&tid=147617&author=eye sea]I think it's called 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted...'.:joker:[/rquote]???? what on earth are you on about? please explain? i have no clue what you are getting at? anyone else know? because ill be *******ed if i know what eye sea is trying to say?

[rquote=2570225&tid=147617&author=nut][rquote=2570196&tid=147617&author=eye sea]I think it's called 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted...'.:joker:[/rquote]???? what on earth are you on about? please explain? i have no clue what you are getting at? anyone else know? because ill be *******ed if i know what eye sea is trying to say?[/rquote]

I meant, C4 will be red-faced if they back-track on their decision to axe the show. But how they must be mad at the thought of all the lucrative advertising they will miss out on.:pat:

[rquote=2570223&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2570039&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2569588&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky]Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.[/rquote]People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:[/rquote]

Well seeing as how sponsership is apart of commercialisation my point still stands, individual things won't but collectively they might.

Off to dinner now.

There is a huge difference between commercialisation and sponsoring a program.

[/rquote]Sponsorship = Mini advert before programme
Product placement = In programme

Plus the adverts wont be overt, as it would make people switch off

[rquote=2570236&tid=147617&author=eye sea][rquote=2570225&tid=147617&author=nut][rquote=2570196&tid=147617&author=eye sea]I think it's called 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted...'.:joker:[/rquote]???? what on earth are you on about? please explain? i have no clue what you are getting at? anyone else know? because ill be *******ed if i know what eye sea is trying to say?[/rquote]

I meant, C4 will be red-faced if they back-track on their decision to axe the show. But how they must be mad at the thought of all the lucrative advertising they will miss out on.:pat:[/rquote]they will not back track they want shot of it its clear as day the show is dead if it was still profitable they would keep it going showing a tin of tesco beans is not going to save the show its dead millions have truned it off advertisers dont want to touch it after the race row with jade and shilpa shetty. BB get the food from tesco and tesco would want nothing to do with BB the same way that other mutli billion £ businesses have jumped ship since jade and the racist allegations.

RIP Big brother 2000-2010

Channel 4 aren't going to change their minds.
They made such a big del about BB ending this year. Every one of the main entertainment news outlets, from papers, to magzines, tv shows and beyond, publicised the fact that it was ending.
If they went back on their word and commissioned more BB for money they would look like fools.

BB is ending next year.
And that's it.
:xyxwave:

[rquote=2570244&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2570223&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2570039&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2569588&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky]Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.[/rquote]People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:[/rquote]

Well seeing as how sponsership is apart of commercialisation my point still stands, individual things won't but collectively they might.

Off to dinner now.

There is a huge difference between commercialisation and sponsoring a program.

[/rquote]Sponsorship = Mini advert before programme
Product placement = In programme

Plus the adverts wont be overt, as it would make people switch off[/rquote]

Yes I know what they are thank you, but I said COMMERCIALISM not an individual subsection of it which the two things are a smaller part of.....

as such my statement stands.

Would you like to say the same thing for a third time?

Dinner was lovely - thank you for asking.

[rquote=2570318&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2570244&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2570223&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2570039&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2569588&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky]Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.[/rquote]People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:[/rquote]

Well seeing as how sponsership is apart of commercialisation my point still stands, individual things won't but collectively they might.

Off to dinner now.

There is a huge difference between commercialisation and sponsoring a program.

[/rquote]Sponsorship = Mini advert before programme
Product placement = In programme

Plus the adverts wont be overt, as it would make people switch off[/rquote]

Yes I know what they are thank you, but I said COMMERCIALISM not an individual subsection of it which the two things are a smaller part of.....

as such my statement stands.

Would you like to say the same thing for a third time?

Dinner was lovely - thank you for asking.



What do [/rquote]

Fine, we will abolish commercialism and just have the BBC, does that suit you?

[rquote=2570324&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2570318&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2570244&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2570223&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2570039&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2569588&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky]Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.[/rquote]People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:[/rquote]

Well seeing as how sponsership is apart of commercialisation my point still stands, individual things won't but collectively they might.

Off to dinner now.

There is a huge difference between commercialisation and sponsoring a program.

[/rquote]Sponsorship = Mini advert before programme
Product placement = In programme

Plus the adverts wont be overt, as it would make people switch off[/rquote]

Yes I know what they are thank you, but I said COMMERCIALISM not an individual subsection of it which the two things are a smaller part of.....

as such my statement stands.

Would you like to say the same thing for a third time?

Dinner was lovely - thank you for asking.



What do [/rquote]

Fine, we will abolish commercialism and just have the BBC, does that suit you?[/rquote]

Well I thank you kindly it was Lamb chops and mint sauce it was quite nice.

Since when is commercialism just restricted to TV?

[rquote=2570327&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2570324&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2570318&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2570244&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2570223&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky][rquote=2570039&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2569588&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky]Commercialism will destroy the world, its a bad thing that this law has changed.[/rquote]People said the same when programme sponsorship came about :whistle:[/rquote]

Well seeing as how sponsership is apart of commercialisation my point still stands, individual things won't but collectively they might.

Off to dinner now.

There is a huge difference between commercialisation and sponsoring a program.

[/rquote]Sponsorship = Mini advert before programme
Product placement = In programme

Plus the adverts wont be overt, as it would make people switch off[/rquote]

Yes I know what they are thank you, but I said COMMERCIALISM not an individual subsection of it which the two things are a smaller part of.....

as such my statement stands.

Would you like to say the same thing for a third time?

Dinner was lovely - thank you for asking.



What do [/rquote]

Fine, we will abolish commercialism and just have the BBC, does that suit you?[/rquote]

Well I thank you kindly it was Lamb chops and mint sauce it was quite nice.

Since when is commercialism just restricted to TV?[/rquote]Fine, we abolish commercialism and you will have to kill for your lamb chops and mint sauce

since when does commercialism control trade?

[rquote=2570332&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie]

Fine, we abolish commercialism and you will have to kill for your lamb chops and mint sauce[/rquote]

Someone has to otherwise the lamb chops wouldnt get from field to plate, now would they? They don't just jump out of the animal into a passing vehicle straight to the butchers .

it can influence but not control. Should we allow giant companies (who lets face it our only interested in £££ or $$$ (dont have a Euro Button - why not?) to have this trade?

They are already the biggest lobbyests (sorry had some wine wine dinner, white, nice, and cheap from Sainsburys, try something new today). Should we allow them more control?

[rquote=2570335&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky]since when does commercialism control trade?[/rquote]How have you managed to turn a thread about BB into a debate about commercialism? :conf:

Anyway, I cba, product placement is a good thing for TV, we're in a global recession, and this is very helpful to the TV buisness

[rquote=2570339&tid=147617&author=Shasown][rquote=2570332&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie]

Fine, we abolish commercialism and you will have to kill for your lamb chops and mint sauce[/rquote]

Someone has to otherwise the lamb chops wouldnt get from field to plate, now would they? They don't just jump out of the animal into a passing vehicle straight to the butchers .[/rquote]

*ahem* you forgot about it being pre-packaged.

[rquote=2570236&tid=147617&author=eye sea][rquote=2570225&tid=147617&author=nut][rquote=2570196&tid=147617&author=eye sea]I think it's called 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted...'.:joker:[/rquote]???? what on earth are you on about? please explain? i have no clue what you are getting at? anyone else know? because ill be *******ed if i know what eye sea is trying to say?[/rquote]

I meant, C4 will be red-faced if they back-track on their decision to axe the show. But how they must be mad at the thought of all the lucrative advertising they will miss out on.:pat:[/rquote]
..

i just had a look what the saying means and its the total oppersit to what you are saying its an 'Idiom = "trying to stop something bad happening when it has already happened and the situation cannot be changed!

C4 is not trying to put right what as gone wrong, its gone wrong already all they want now is shot of it. I think you used the saying "closing the stable door after the horse has bolted" incorrectly.

[rquote=2570342&tid=147617&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2570335&tid=147617&author=Appearance_Of_A_J unky]since when does commercialism control trade?[/rquote]How have you managed to turn a thread about BB into a debate about commercialism? :conf:

Anyway, I cba, product placement is a good thing for TV, we're in a global recession, and this is very helpful to the TV buisness[/rquote]

Well seeing as how people think that this will save BB and is a good thing as such, I think it's only right that I can say why I think product placement on our screens is a bad thing - BB or not, it was not I that started the thread but I will point out a bit about it if I feel there is a point to be made by myself.

This current global recession that we are in is caused by several factors, I know of at least two business that have gone under in recent weeks (through friends and family) yet companies with stronger finances (Sainsburys, would be an example for a fact) are increasing their profits. I haven't been hit at all by this credit crunch - and you want to know the very basic reason why?

My house isn't full of pointless things that my TV/Mag/Radio told me to buy.

My clothes are clothes not labels.

My lifestyle is within my means.

I didnt run up huge credit bill by buying things that I was influenced (and yes TV does influence us, *simples*) into buying. The credit crunch has come about because people have spent too much on things they don't need, why? because if they don't have these things then there lives aren't complete.

Advertising - is it good or bad? When a company like Coke spends more on Advertising a year than some of the poorer countries GDP!

Sorry if this is a rant - but I love BB, but to save it at this cost, I'd rather die. (and sadly I think that sooner rather than later that will be it - this world can sicken me to a point before I will need to kill myself and be buried in a £1,400 box with a service that costs another £3/5000 just to burn me and eff me off.

No, businesses are great, long may they rape the planet of everything it has - including our souls.

(oh, some sauteed pots and some cauliflower - again, nice with mint sauce)

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