The Lisbon Treaty
 

Just wondering are any Irish mebers on here going to vote?

Also for other members this would be good for you to take 10 minutes to read, seeing as how it will be forced upon you like it's been forced upon us Irish for the second time.

Basically smaller countries will get less of a say, example; Ireland wil lose 50% of our say in the EU)

here's a link, please read. :love:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lisbon#Ireland

I got my Champion pass :D

I've been told to vote Yes,I have no clue really. ANYTHING to do with politics just go right over my head

I will be voting


wait im not irish

[rquote=2597390&tid=147985&author=Princess]I've been told to vote Yes,I have no clue really. ANYTHING to do with politics just go right over my head[/rquote]

I really don't want to ask you to vote no, but im sure if you read the treaty you'd change your mind.

A leaflet came today saying that the EU were pushing for Euthanasia to be legalised in countries, if we vote Yes on the treaty we dont get a say.

More info on that @ www.euinfo.ie

that has all the major guidelines that havent been included in previous leaflets sent by the Government.

Also just to ramble on a bit more, this is probably the most important referendum of the past 30 years and probably one of the most important of our generation.

[rquote=2597403&tid=147985&author=Nathan]I will be voting


wait im not irish[/rquote]

You ve already voted yes, but your government wouldnt want you knowing that now would they, seeing as how they voted on your behalf.

Maybe I just won't vote,urgh I don't know. I don't think people who have no clue or interest should even vote.

[rquote=2597414&tid=147985&author=Princess]Maybe I just won't vote,urgh I don't know. I don't think people who have no clue or interest should even vote. [/rquote]

Would you not consider even spoiling your vote? that way at least your vote still makes up for something even if your undecided on what.

Hmm maybe. I'll see what my family are doing. My brother knows feck loads about all this.

[rquote=2597434&tid=147985&author=Princess]Hmm maybe. I'll see what my family are doing. My brother knows feck loads about all this.[/rquote]

Good, I was the same until I actually read what this treaty stands for, it's crazy what they're trying to do....

omg Laura vote, I'm so anti not voting, its like one of these thigns i have.

having said that I know nothing about this but if what Iceman is saying is true then 'no' seems about right to me.

Well I didn't vote the last time there was something on,I was too lazy to go,haha!

I'll ask my brother and see! My mum said shes going Yes but I think she has about much clue as me....

Well before you do vote make sure you know what your voting for.

I don't live in Ireland but my Dad does and he'll be voting No.

i dont really understand it
no one explained it to me
all they say is VOTE YES or VOTE NO

Yes Vote "No"
That Europe Deal has Screwed Ireland.
Utter Fact.

[rquote=2598260&tid=147985&author=Corkie]Well before you do vote make sure you know what your voting for.

I don't live in Ireland but my Dad does and he'll be voting No.[/rquote]

Your Dad is most wise.

Sure Brian Cowen admitted to not even reading the fecking thing the first time round so how am I supposed to believe anything that this government says? I suppose the logical thing to do would be to vote Yes because we need as much help as we can get at the moment, but I wont do it for the simple reason that I question every decision they make now, including this whole NAMA rubbish that benefits the big boys and kicks the small lads in the balls. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them and they don't deserve our backing at this stage.

I voted NO last time, because the stupid, over paid, under worked and idiotic government couldn't tell me what i was voting for. Nothing has changed so far, so it maybe another NO vote for me!

Nama should stand for, NO ASSHOLE MENTAL ACCOUNTANTS!

[rquote=2598265&tid=147985&author=kerplunk124]i dont really understand it
no one explained it to me
all they say is VOTE YES or VOTE NO[/rquote]

If you have a look at the links I provided it has the main inclusions of the treaty there, but dont get drawn into the "Yes" leaflets that are sent through your door, they've been proven to be biased.

As for Mr Cowen and not reading the treaty the first time round, it just goes to show what type of a jackass is running our country.

Gordon Brown seems pretty good right now....

I would vote no if I could but I cant vote because im 17 ha

You bet your bottom dollar I will be voting no!

'Europe's nations should be guided towards the super-state without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.'

- Jean Monnet, 'Founding Father' of the EU,

NO MEANS NO!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2554607&hl=en#

I will be repeating myself and voting NO!

Polls are predicting a YES....

although 1 in 5 people are still undecided....


NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO

People are voting yes because Fianna Fail, the boggers party, are convincing old people and people suffering from the economy THEY played a part in messing up that it's the only way to reverse the economic downturn [and, conveniently save there party's worthless ass]

Such a shame. I wish people could think for themselves instead of relying on official party lines. Ironic that the yes brigade accused US of scaremongering last time.

I dont even give one iota about the main issues. I am looking at the BIGGER PICTURE here. A United States Of Europe. Centralization of power. Lisbon is not an end unto itself. First Lisbon, what next?

Also, remember, we are voting on behalf of the MILLIONS who did not even get the chance! Isin't the whole IDEA of the treaty to establish an apparently more democratized europe? Through what, facist force-ism?

What a crock of hypocritical ****!

Exactly, look at the countries who "voted" yes. The UK have but yet nobody seems to know that....

The only other countries where it went to a public vote to my knowledge were France and the Netherlands. Both rejected it.

The very fact that EU members were not allowed to vote on something which directly affects them is an absoloute disgrace. Why do we continue to wank ourselevs off as being free peoples in a democracy? We are not! in all likelyhood, the bastards in the dail are going to get there way this time.

If people would look at the big issues and read the damn thing, instead of worrying about how many notes are in there wallets. You want to beat the recession? Change your damn ways. Most Irish people are far too arrogant. We bitch and moan about the economy but make virtually no changes to our lifestyle. Why listen to Fianna Fail now? Why let Nicholas Sarkozy and the others, the big wigs who want the treaty because it works to THERE globalised advantage, win?

People before profit!

I agree ProbeEight, but unfortunately I think because of the predicament the countries in at the moment, there will be many people who'll be inclined to vote Yes in an attempt to steady the ship, you know? In the same way they kept Fianna Fail in during last general election when times were still quite good and people were unwilling to take a gamble on a new government.

If it's a YES then I think it's the biggest mistake this country will make and will seriously think of moving.

[rquote=2611714&tid=147985&author=setanta]I agree ProbeEight, but unfortunately I think because of the predicament the countries in at the moment, there will be many people who'll be inclined to vote Yes in an attempt to steady the ship, you know? In the same way they kept Fianna Fail in during last general election when times were still quite good and people were unwilling to take a gamble on a new government.[/rquote]
Yep, that seems to be the general line, but people should look to there past mistakes, i.e. voting Fianna Fail back in.

The thing is your right, yes, it will steady the ship, but I am more concerned with where this ship is going. Thats what people tend not to think about.

[rquote=2611960&tid=147985&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2611714&tid=147985&author=setanta]I agree ProbeEight, but unfortunately I think because of the predicament the countries in at the moment, there will be many people who'll be inclined to vote Yes in an attempt to steady the ship, you know? In the same way they kept Fianna Fail in during last general election when times were still quite good and people were unwilling to take a gamble on a new government.[/rquote]
Yep, that seems to be the general line, but people should look to there past mistakes, i.e. voting Fianna Fail back in.

The thing is your right, yes, it will steady the ship, but I am more concerned with where this ship is going. Thats what people tend not to think about.

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I agree with you and hopefully this whole NAMA thing will steer people in the right direction.

it appears its gonna be a yes
**** it anyway

Were sunked! Its going to be yes, cause people are afraid if they vote NO, they wont hae the money for that new BMW they wanted!

By Jesus Cowen et al, bettter get the short shift at the next election or I might move to spain!

[rquote=2612000&tid=147985&author=bansheewails]Were sunked! Its going to be yes, cause people are afraid if they vote NO, they wont hae the money for that new BMW they wanted!

By Jesus Cowen et al, bettter get the short shift at the next election or I might move to spain![/rquote]

Considering jumping ship myself at this stage.

At least spain has good weather to be miserable in! And fags are cheap!

Nah if I leave im getting the **** out of Europe altogether....

[rquote=2612083&tid=147985&author=Iceman]Nah if I leave im getting the **** out of Europe altogether....[/rquote]

I think I'm with you there.

Austrailia here i come!
once i turn..like 21 that is

Where though? I would never move to America is too creepy, Australia is too far away from family!

Im all for going to somewhere like China or Cambodia...

Spain for me!!