Alex Reid UFC career
 

I've never watched UFC.

1) Where is this guy in terms of UFC is he a "top fighter"?

2) His record didn't seem too good, is that a normal record for a UFC fighter?

3) Is he a good fighter full stop lol?

4) Can he really fight again in such a serious sport with all this press stuff?

Thanks

From what ive seen.

Hes not a good fighter..

but he knows what hes doing and trains hard, against just a normal person around his size, he would kick their ass..

Yeah well like I said his record looked pretty average, a shame like if he is hard working and trains hard that he is putting that dedication to waste.

btw who is soring the goal in your sig?

He's never been a mainstream fighter, he may get a few bigger publicised fights now though.....

Well from what he was saying they won't touch him now cause of his crossdressing ****** buddy antics, lost his sponsorship apparently.

He said he doesn't want to fight but he's locked into contract.......

usually they would have to take part in 2-3 fights a year.....depending on what organisation he's in... Your right though, nobody will want to fight him now....

When Jordan gets bored of him, he will be pretty fucked really.

Well yeah but they all train hard and put in a lot of dedication only best of the best make it..He will get bigger things off the back of this, fitness dvd's etc would make him more money,

And its Zinedine Zidane when he was younger..

He's not even in UFC , it's a lower organisation that he is in.

He's never been a part of UFC. He fights in smaller organisations, recently "Cage Rage", which is the UK's own version of UFC, I guess you could call it. There's no real big named fighters in it, but if fighters do well in Cage Rage, they often work their way up to UFC.

I've seen about 8 of his fights, and he's not that impressive on the grand scale of things. He's a fairly bland fighter, he prefers to keep the fight standing (which is where he usually gets knocked out :hugesmile:.) Earlier on in his career in fights I haven't seen he has a few wins via submission, so his Brazillian Ju Jitsu must exist, but against bad opponets it's hard to tell if it's a high level.

His record (8-8-1) is pretty bad, especially considering he's lost his last 6 fights in a row. He's fought nobody who is a stand out in the sport. His best opponent is a guy that 'graduated' into UFC, but then got released because he wasn't doing well. I'm fairly confident he wouldn't beat any UFC fighter at the moment at middleweight class.

He definitely doesn't earn much from fighting from the promotions due to his bad record and not being very good. He probably earns a lot from sponsorships, and companies plastering his shorts with logos when he fights. Cage Rage would probably have got rid of him if he wasn't in the public eye like he is.

He can, and more than likely will fight again once leaving the house. With all the press attention and the Jordan stuff, it means he probably can't focus much. I imagine Cage Rage will just give him someone not very good to beat up for his next fight, as they need the ratings right now. If he wants to be a top class fighter, these fighters are putting in training camps 4-5 months before a fight, training hardcore every day and making sure diet and cardio is as perfect as it can be. Fighters are more like professional athletes nowadays at the higher levels. With his lifestlye, he probably couldn't do this and I guess he takes his fights with quite short notice. He probably fights because he loves the sport and the competition, not because he thinks he's any good :blush:

I heard he tried out for the Ultimate Fighter (reality UFC show) but got beat in the qualifier.

Oh yeah I forgot about that fight actually. I have it on my PC somewhere, I might try and find it :blush:. From what I remember, Alex got his opponent (Dean Ammasinger) in a Triangle Choke (http://maxcondition.com/images/005_5_00.jpg), a move which probably 90%+ of the time is enough to force an opponent into submission, but somehow Alex didn't lock his legs tight enough so Dean escaped. If Alex had just locked in that submission, he would have made the Ultimate Fighter show, and be a recognised name across US mainstream tv and more so in the UK too. It would have been a huge turning point for his career.

Pretty much the moment you here he is a UFC (or MMA or whatever they call this stuff) then you know he is not a real fighter.
It's guys who fight like children in a schoolyard ugh.

Bit of news on Brock Lesnar in the Sport section.....

Rubbish! It's very skillful sport, I suppose to the outsider it looks brutal, but there is a lot involved.

No.
To insiders who know about fighting sports it looks amateurish and depends little on skills and more on fluke and size and mostly on 'happenstance'.
To insiders and experts it looks this way.

To young men who love action movies and are experts in video game fighting it looks 'skillful' and worth watching.

Rubbish, so Brazilian ju jitsu, Kickboxing, Boxing, Muay Tahi is amateur??? Our survey says..................... :nono:

Those are real sports. (most).

Putting them all together into a 'free for all' ends up with 'happenstance' results that are far less to do with skill and far more to do with who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time,
and,
lately all I see is 'whoever can box more like an actual boxer' wins.

But hey.. if you want to watch grown men fight like schoolyard children then enjoy.

What insiders and experts think this? Are you either?

haha when I was a schoolyard child, I used to headbutt and bite people. Clearly not the same.

Yes, I am a senior boxing analyst in media, forming sparring partner to a national champion,
and,
Luche Libre champion 'El Proximo Loco'.

MMA does NOT look good from that perspective.
But,
Its great violence and easy to watch I suppose. Its like cartoons in that sense.

I love the internet

So do I.
It allows people like you to doubt experts because there will never be any way to prove it out or answer for it.

:banana: <-- also allows me to put these silly smileys on posts.
Bananas FTW!

MAYBE, just maybe, the reason you don't like MMA is that, well, you're a boxer at heart? You think boxing is classy, while MMA reminds you of your old schoolyard. Therefore you're unable to take it seriously, or judge it fairly. You just despise it from the start.

Your inability to view this unbiased also shines through in your statement that the best boxer always seems to win. Pretty embarrassing really, and makes me wonder how much MMA you've really seen (highlights do not count).

Also, please explain why merging several disciplines makes it random. It's like saying BJJ would be more skill dependent if you split it into different disciplines each for chokes, arm locks, and so on...

It is self-evident,
but,
to explain it I might say that Archery is a very cool and accurate shooting sport.
Rifle marksman require great skills too.. its impressive.
Cannon fire is really great and actually quite a skill.
Spear throwing is 'real ballistics' or maybe good olden days rock throwing. That is essentially 'real shooting' in its basic form,
and,
Target shooting with pistols is quite the art.

So...
...Why wouldnt it be the 'Ultimate Ballistics Championship' if we loaded ALL those into a giant gun and shot at each other???
Huh?
Tell me.. why wouldn't that make it all the more skilled when you combine ALL the skills together?

Years ago I correctly predicted it will be next to impossible to maintain any sort of ongoing consistent champions.
YES... you get 10 guys who will be faster, stronger and bigger and float to the top,
but,
They will, eventually, all end up defeating one and other in what 'would be' (given enough fights) just 50-50,
and,
Champions will change ever other fight.

Well that happens.
Why?
Because the results are basically down to 'happenstance' (assuming both guy are basically equally athletic).

I just try not to make a face whenever someone 'wows' because the champ got knocked out cold in one shot,
then,
the next time another guy one-punched that champ,
who,
was 'one-punched' in the next championship.
EXACTLY!
EXACTLY RIGHT!

But you know who MIGHT consistently win?
The gigantic super-muscled wrestler Brock Lesnar guy.
This proves out my point though. It shows you that all you really need is to be much larger and stronger and more powerful and not much else will matter.

The reason I like boxing is not because I just 'picked a team to defend' but because it earns it.
It requires finer skills yes but more importantly is that it has REMOVED as many of the things that lead to 'happenstance' wins as possible.
'Lucky punches' can happen yes... but they have removed as many opportunities as possible.
So that actually separates out the 'better man' for good reasons and over time it actually means something that Mayweather is xx wins and zero losses and is the champ.

In this UFC... take their top 10 in a division and have them fight 100 times and they ALL end up with 50-50 records.
because its mostly 'happenstance'.

besides that - what do I see in the 'Top 100 UFC moments'?
- The segments where they 'boxed' for minutes at a time.
Ok.
Well compare that top UFC 'action minute' and you have what?
Crappy boxing.
At best 'good amateur boxing'.

So why wouldn't I just watch boxing!

What
you going by the state of his nose?

Well you have answered my question anyway thanks lol. Sorry I assumed he was UFC.

Just doesn't seem the type of sport that would welcome someone back after his media antics.

This isn't so true. UFC is still a relativly young sport if you compare it to boxing. It's still evolving, and it's still creating its fanbase. You could say it didn't really become mainstream until 2001 when it was taken off by the current management. It's therefore harder for current champions to create win streaks, when a lot of the best fighters in the world didn't even enter the organisation until a few years ago. At the moment, the belt holder of each class really is on another level than the rest of the division. I'm not sure if you follow UFC or know the current champions, but:

155lbs: BJ Penn recently defeated the no2 and no3 ranked people in the division (both by stoppage) UFC are struggling for opponents that can give him a run for his money. There are a lot of amazing and highly talendated 155lb fighters in the UFC right now, but as soon as they are mentioned in the same sentence as BJ Penn, they don't look anywhere near as prime.

170lbs: Georges St. Pierre is probably the most gifted mixed martial artist in the UFC right now. If you had to rank every fighter out of 10 for each discipline, and then added up the results, Georges would be a clear winner. He has also cleaned out the division, and has beaten no2 and no3 convincingly. His skills as a mixed martial artist have progressed so much that he's a strong condidate for the canadian wrestling team at the 2012 olympics.

185lbs: Anderson Silva joined the UFC, won his first fight and was given a title shot based on his raw skill. He won the title and has won his last 9 fights in a row. He's moved up a weight class and hasn't been defeated there either. He's cleaned out the division completely, and is ranked top 3 in most peoples "pound4pound best fighter" lists.

205lbs: Lyoto Machida, 16-0, with one of the best fight resumes in the game right now in caliber of opponents beaten. The 205lb division is fairly stacked in quality opponents, so it may take a while for him to work his way through the rest of them.

225+lbs: Brock Lesnar, this is another topic in itself, but Brock isn't the best heavyweight fighter in the UFC, or the world. His size advantage helps him massively in fights, and he hasn't fought anyone near the best of the division yet. (Unless Frank Mir counts).

To sum up, the current champions are currently so far above the rest of their division and are leading to the consistency you mention doesn't exist. How long this consistency lasts is hard to predict. As I mentioned the sport is still evolving at a rapid pace. Fighters are training harder than ever, going under extreme workouts and dietry control to make sure they are in peak fitness. This is due to the fact that the current belt holders are another level above, if they want to make the fight competitive they really need to be in the best physical shape they can.


The beauty of mixed martial arts is that nobody is perfect at them all. A world class wrestler usually has average Ju Jitsu skills. A boxer and striker might have very bad wrestling skills. Fighters tend to use their best skills on their offence, identifying their opponents weakness and use that information to try and finish the fight.

The one punch knockout is the same in both Boxing and MMA. When a fighter throws a punch, it's with the intention of knocking the other guy out. I'm not a believer of the whole 'lucky punch' thing. If a fighter throws a punch, and his opponent doesn't correctly block it and he gets knocked out, then the guy fully deserves the win. Yes, sometimes upsets happen this way, but it's the unpredictablity of the sport that makes it entertaining to watch. It would be boring if someone never lost wouldn't it


I won't go into the Brock thing much, but he's far from invincible and doesn't really have that much MMA training. He's managed to outsize his opponents currently, but there are a few guys in the UFC (and one outside the organisation) who would probably beat him, should the fights occur. Being larger and stronger is not everything, and as a boxing fan you should know that. I'm assuming you watched the Hayes v Valuev match.

You kind of stated the obvious and turned it into an attack against MMA. Of course boxing requires finer skills, that's because there's only 1 main discipline, so boxers have more time to focus on it. MMA fighters don't have the time to master every style. Back in the UFC's old days, fighters were pitched against each other to see which fighting style was the best. Each fighter only really had 1 skill, and the fights were often really 1 sided.
As for the xx wins and zero losses meaning something, I don't really see it like that. Boxing inflate their fighters by giving them 'cans' to fight to bump up their records, and create a bigger hype on fight day (which in turn sells tickets). Look at Joe Calzaghe for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Cal..._boxing_record. 46-0, but who are half these guys? His early and mid career was built around guys with little to no skill, and half these guys are so unknown they don't even have a wiki page. If you take Joe's record vs people who aren't fed to him, maybe it would be a lot more realistic. Compare that to Lyoto Machida for example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyoto_Machida, nearly every guy on his win list is a strong, competitive fighter. 46-0 sounds better than 16-0, but if you look closely in this case, it's probably about the same.

Losses in UFC are something to learn from, and make for interesting rematches. Brock Lesnar's debut fight, he was pounding down on Frank Mir and was seconds away from finishing the fight, but due to having no submission defence at all, Frank grabbed a knee and locked it into submission. Brock then went away, learnt some defence and came back and avenged that loss.

It seems if you lose at the high end of boxing, you aren't marketable anymore and you get dropped or retire.

Due to the unviability of this, it's impossible to predict what would happen, but it would be interesting from a fighting perspective. Would the better fighters adapt quicker to learning their opponents weaknesses, and continuality use it against them? Possibly yes.


I don't think any UFC fighters even claim to be anywhere near world class at boxing. They are training harder all the time, and a lot of fighters have boxing coaches in their training regime now. It's hard to compare both the sports, because both win in their own rights. Put a boxer in a cage, and hes going to get taken to the ground, beaten up until the ref breaks it up or the fight ends by submission. Similiary, put a MMA fighter in a boxing ring and tell him to box vs a boxer, he's going to get knocked out.

The two sports aren't really comparable, even though they are both a combat sport. Here's a good youtube clip about boxing vs MMA and two people from each sport defending it. (starts about 45secs). You should watch it :blush:

I've never said combining disciplines generated a more skill-intensive sport, just a different skill tested. You, on the other hand, stated that it automatically became LESS skill-intensive. Which is not true.

To take an example related to your "Ultimate Ballistics Championship", look at decathlon. It's basically "Ultimate Track and Field". Still, the top contenders are every bit as consistent as in any separate discipline. This single-handledly falsifies your theory about diversification leading to randomness.