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arista 09-03-2010 05:31 PM

Pharmacist refuses mother, 38, pills because of her Religion
 
This Pharmacist Worker must be Sacked
right away.



Pharmacist refuses to give mother, 38,
contraceptive pills for period pain 'because of her religion'



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/...84_233x558.jpg
Shocked: Janine Deeley, pictured at her Sheffield home,
thought the pharmacist
must be joking when she refused to serve her

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0hhnkRvmQ

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/...38_468x286.jpg

WOMBAI 09-03-2010 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3071201)
This Pharmacist Worker must be Sacked
right away.



Pharmacist refuses to give mother, 38,
contraceptive pills for period pain 'because of her religion'



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/...84_233x558.jpg
Shocked: Janine Deeley, pictured at her Sheffield home,
thought the pharmacist
must be joking when she refused to serve her

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0hhnkRvmQ

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/...38_468x286.jpg

That is unbelievable! I could perhaps understand if she didn't want to participate in an abortion or something - but to refuse to dispense the contraceptive pill is ridiculous. Who does she think she is? Her job entails a certain degree of responsibility - she can't just pick and choose what medications to dispense - otherwise why be a pharmacist!

Part of many jobs - is sometimes doing what you don't want to do - religious objections shouldn't be a excuse!

Tom4784 09-03-2010 06:02 PM

I hope the right actions are taken against the pharmacist. It's completely ridiculous.

M X 09-03-2010 06:03 PM

:shocked::shocked::shocked:

Callum 09-03-2010 06:09 PM

Disgusting, hope she gets sacked for this.

arista 09-03-2010 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3071298)
That is unbelievable! I could perhaps understand if she didn't want to participate in an abortion or something - but to refuse to dispense the contraceptive pill is ridiculous. Who does she think she is? Her job entails a certain degree of responsibility - she can't just pick and choose what medications to dispense - otherwise why be a pharmacist!

Part of many jobs - is sometimes doing what you don't want to do - religious objections shouldn't be a excuse!



Yes
It is Illegal in my eyes.
This Lady wanted it for Pain in any case.

It is no wonder more people now buy online.

Shasown 09-03-2010 06:10 PM

I would like to know what religion prevents the dispensing of legally prescribed drugs.

Ninastar 09-03-2010 06:11 PM

I Told her I was sorry!!!




Joke joke of course.

Thats awful tbh.

arista 09-03-2010 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 3071332)
I would like to know what religion prevents the dispensing of legally prescribed drugs.


Catholic Gits
For a start.

WOMBAI 09-03-2010 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3071331)
Yes
It is Illegal in my eyes.
This Lady wanted it for Pain in any case.

It is no wonder more people now buy online.

Doesn't matter whether she wanted it for pain or not - she was fully entitled to use it and be dispensed the contraceptive pill for the purpose for which it is intended!

WOMBAI 09-03-2010 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3071339)
Catholic Gits
For a start.

Yes Catholics or, I would guess, Muslims - although I may be wrong about that!

InOne 09-03-2010 06:18 PM

I think the woman who didn't serve her must have other mental issues tbh. Just does not add up

arista 09-03-2010 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3071351)
Doesn't matter whether she wanted it for pain or not - she was fully entitled to use it and be dispensed the contraceptive pill for the purpose for which it is intended!



Yes I Agree.

The only sensible action
is that Stupid Worker Sacked.

And this Lady helped

Shasown 09-03-2010 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3071339)
Catholic Gits
For a start.

Nope I dont know of any papal bull(proclamation from the pope) saying catholic pharmacists cannot dispense some types of drugs. contraceptive or otherwise.

In fact the only decrees from the Vatican say Catholics should not use unnatural contraceptive methods. This lady was using a drug, that happens to be used for birth control to help ease her endometriosus.

Selling, dispensing or otherwise handling them of contraceptives wasnt ever taught to be against the church. otherwise the barber we used to use when I was a kid would have been well in the clag.in fact I remeber him saying just after he had finished on the parish priests hair "Sure you will not be wanting anything for the weekend this time round Father?"

arista 09-03-2010 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3071362)
I think the woman who didn't serve her must have other mental issues tbh. Just does not add up

You What,
You need to get out More.


These Bible Freaks are in many places.


That Worker was using the Bible to stop that Lady
getting what she needed.

Shasown 09-03-2010 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3071354)
Yes Catholics or, I would guess, Muslims - although I may be wrong about that!

Depends on the school of Islam they follow, in most contraception is allowed for valid reasons, one of them being health. The only agreed case where contraception should not be used is if the decision is delay children is based on finances, because the Muslims believe god will provide.

WOMBAI 09-03-2010 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 3071380)
Depends on the school of Islam they follow, in most contraception is allowed for valid reasons, one of them being health. The only agreed case where contraception should not be used is if the decision is delay children is based on finances, because the Muslims believe god will provide.

I presume the woman has no choice in such matters - and can't choose when she is ready to have a baby! She probably can't choose whether she wants sex or not - if married!

InOne 09-03-2010 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3071374)
You What,
You need to get out More.


These Bible Freaks are in many places.


That Worker was using the Bible to stop that Lady
getting what she needed.

Yes, but she is an extreme example.

Shasown 09-03-2010 06:29 PM

Would love to be a fly on the wall watching them debate this garbage if a complaint is actually made:

Quote:

The spokesman said:'While the Code of Ethics and Standards does not require a pharmacist to provide a service that is contrary to their religious or moral beliefs.

Any attempt by a pharmacist to impose their beliefs on a member of the public seeking their professional guidance, or a failure to have systems in place to advise of alternative sources for the service required, would be of great concern to the RPSGB and could form the basis of a complaint of professional misconduct.'
Is telling her to come back when someone else is on, sufficient?

Shasown 09-03-2010 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3071388)
I presume the woman has no choice in such matters - and can't choose when she is ready to have a baby! She probably can't choose whether she wants sex or not - if married!

Again depends on the school in some cases a man is to honour a wifes wishes but a wife is to obey her husband etc...

arista 09-03-2010 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3071390)
Yes, but she is an extreme example.


OK
but it is not a Mental Issue.


It's Bible Freaks

Enid 09-03-2010 08:44 PM

Pill refused 'on religious grounds'
 
A pharmaceuticals company has launched an investigation after a woman was refused the contraceptive pill because it was against the pharmacist's religion to give it to her.

Janine Deeley was turned away by the female chemist at Lloyds pharmacy in Duke Street, Sheffield, when she went to pick up her routine prescription of the medication.

The mother-of-two was taken into a private room by the employee and told she would not be given the tablets on religious grounds but she could come back the next day when a different pharmacist was working and pick them up.

Ms Deeley, 38, of Wybourn, said she was furious she was not allowed her prescription, especially because she used it to treat endometriosis and not as a method of birth control.

She told the Sheffield Star: "I shouldn't have to explain myself to her.

"I was so angry I didn't really know what to do."

Ms Deeley also said she was worried teenagers like her two daughters, Carlie, 18, and 14-year-old Lauren, might not be able to protect against pregnancy if faced with such issues.

She added: "There's a lot of things in society you might not like or agree with, but you can't do anything about them."

A spokeswoman for Lloyds pharmacy said she was not aware which religion the pharmacist belonged to and an investigation into Ms Deeley's complaint had been launched.

She said: "Lloyds pharmacy is very sorry that Ms Deeley was refused supply of her prescribed contraceptive pill at our Duke Street pharmacy. We have launched an investigation into the incident and been in contact with her to apologise for any distress and inconvenience caused."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukp...iLgCyyW0N043IA

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What a load of bull! This pharmacist should be sacked. Never mix work and religion, especially when it's concerning another person's health.

Stu 09-03-2010 08:46 PM

It's my belief that my religion entitles me to take a day off whenever I want.

There. Will you respect my beliefs?

GypsyGoth 09-03-2010 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enid (Post 3072001)


What a load of bull! This pharmacist should be sacked. Never mix work and religion, especially when it's concerning another person's health.

I agree they should be sacked.

Claymores 09-03-2010 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot (Post 3072007)
It's my belief that my religion entitles me to take a day off whenever I want.

There. Will you respect my beliefs?

Can I join this sect? - where is sign-up?

Sticks 10-03-2010 06:50 AM

This incident is similar to one I heard of several years ago, before the end of the apartheid regime in South Africa where there was segregation and white minority rule. During that time there were calls for sanctions against South Africa, but Mrs Thatcher refused point blank to carry them out.

In this case, in the uk a supermarket checkout operator refused point blank to sell to a customer a grapefruit because it was from South Africa and she deeply believed that there should be a boycott of all South African goods.

Moving on to today and religion, I understand that in the medical profession there is a get out clause so professionals can opt out of abortion proceses on grounds of concience

I am wondering if this pharmacist believed they had the same rights here

Incidentally the story in full here

Shasown 10-03-2010 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 3073137)
This incident is similar to one I heard of several years ago, before the end of the apartheid regime in South Africa where there was segregation and white minority rule. During that time there were calls for sanctions against South Africa, but Mrs Thatcher refused point blank to carry them out.

In this case, in the uk a supermarket checkout operator refused point blank to sell to a customer a grapefruit because it was from South Africa and she deeply believed that there should be a boycott of all South African goods.

Moving on to today and religion, I understand that in the medical profession there is a get out clause so professionals can opt out of abortion proceses on grounds of concience

I am wondering if this pharmacist believed they had the same rights here

Incidentally the story in full here

The pharmacist does have similar rights.

Quote:

The Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain (RPSGB) said the pharmacist was acting within her rights.

The spokesman said:'While the Code of Ethics and Standards does not require a pharmacist to provide a service that is contrary to their religious or moral beliefs, any attempt by a pharmacist to impose their beliefs on a member of the public seeking their professional guidance, or a failure to have systems in place to advise of alternative sources for the service required, would be of great concern to the RPSGB and could form the basis of a complaint of professional misconduct
The only considerations are when denying to serve the woman, did the pharmacist give sufficient information about other times or places where the women could be served and have her prescription filled? Was the pharmacist imposing her religious belief on the woman?

Crimson Dynamo 10-03-2010 08:23 AM

I would suggest that the story is more about the woman involved than a story about religion..

arista 10-03-2010 08:37 AM

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=132670

Enid I posted this topic Yesterday
it is on this first page.

Crimson Dynamo 10-03-2010 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3073158)
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=132670

Enid I posted this topic Yesterday
it is on this first page.

I like this thread better. More information, better replies, more gravitas. Arista, you are losing your touch..

arista 10-03-2010 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 3073160)
I like this thread better. More information, better replies, more gravitas. Arista, you are losing your touch..

Of Course you want this one more.

Crimson Dynamo 10-03-2010 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3073161)
Of Course you want this one more.

I see you concur this the better of the 2 threads

arista 10-03-2010 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 3073163)
I see you concur this the better of the 2 threads

You are Not a Good Poster
to concur.

Crimson Dynamo 10-03-2010 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3073165)
You are Not a Good Poster
to concur.

agreeing with yourself is not a good look

arista 10-03-2010 08:57 AM

This thread has done well
as LT
has not entered it.

Crimson Dynamo 10-03-2010 09:02 AM

and Arista you voted this thread 1 star which is mean to Enid you big stinker

arista 10-03-2010 09:43 AM

And Typical of LT
he voted this thread Terrible.

Enid 10-03-2010 11:03 AM

arista, I wouldn't have made a new thread if I had known someone made one first.

This is obviously not the right profession for her, if she can't leave her religion at the door. It's her job to do this. She's getting paid for it. If she can't handle it, **** and let someone else do it who is more capable.

Niamh. 10-03-2010 11:04 AM

lol, crazy, why on earth be a pharmastist in the first place?

Crimson Dynamo 10-03-2010 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3073183)
And Typical of LT
he voted this thread Terrible.

I like to balance your perpetual 5 star personal highfiveism


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