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arista 31-05-2010 01:12 PM

Israeli commandos kill activists on a Ship in International waters
 
Who the Hell do they think they are,
They break all the Rules and get the Yanks backing them.

"At least 10 pro-Palestinian activists were killed and dozens
injured in a battle at sea with Israeli naval commandos today,
sparking an international diplomatic crisis and the prospect
of angry demonstrations across Israel, the Palestinian territories, Turkey and beyond."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-flotilla-gaza

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/...05_634x458.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worl...ship-Gaza.html


Sign Of The Times.

Harry! 31-05-2010 01:13 PM

Oh dear not looking good over there at the moment.

ILoveTRW 31-05-2010 01:17 PM

Israel ftw

InOne 31-05-2010 01:28 PM

They're both as bad as eachother.

arista 31-05-2010 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3273266)
They're both as bad as eachother.


Turkey has Nothing to do with this.

Crimson Dynamo 31-05-2010 01:48 PM

is this about Eurovision?

Shaun 31-05-2010 01:50 PM

gaaah. If Palestine/Lebanon/another muslim nation had done this to Israel the west would have been up in arms...

I mean sure, Israel's under fire from a lot of religious nutters (see: Ahmedinejad) but they're really about as innocent as a fox in a coop.

Spike 31-05-2010 01:50 PM

I dislike Israel, the only reason countries hold back is because The USA back Israel.

InOne 31-05-2010 02:03 PM

So much hate passed down from generation to generation.

Crimson Dynamo 31-05-2010 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3273366)
So much hate passed down from generation to generation.

Each have a good argument and can fully justify what they do in a logical way. The only solution is total forgiveness.

Angus 31-05-2010 02:09 PM

Israel will always have US backing, since they are the strategic proxy presence in the Middle East protecting US oil interests. It has nothing to do with the Jewish lobby in senate as many people believe - in fact it's the Democrats who attract the greatest amount of Jewish votes, YET it's the Republicans who have traditionally backed the Israelis. So long as there are massive oil reserves to be fought over, USA will continue to support the Israelis, whatever they might do.

The USA never do anything altruistically, there is always a massive element of self-interest.

InOne 31-05-2010 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 3273392)
Each have a good argument and can fully justify what they do in a logical way. The only solution is total forgiveness.

Which of course will never happen.

Crimson Dynamo 31-05-2010 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3273406)
Which of course will never happen.

ask ourselves if we forgive when we have been wronged?

arista 31-05-2010 02:24 PM

Lauren Booth just Live on SkyNewsHD
was most angry outside the London Israeli Embassy
she said Sweden has Got rid of the Embassy staff
the UK must do the same.

InOne 31-05-2010 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 3273457)
ask ourselves if we forgive when we have been wronged?

I think it's gone beyond that with them.

BB_Eye 31-05-2010 02:35 PM

How can anybody say they're as bad as eachother?

It was not enough that Israel was set up illegally as a nation and forcibly drove Palestinians from their homes into those tiny ghettos known as the Gaza strip (an area smaller than the size of Newcastle) and the West Bank. They couldn't even stick to the UN partition and when Palestinians reacted, Israel bombed the shit out of their civilians and they justify the existence of their racist regime by labelling the Palestinians terrorists.

Modern day apartheid.

BrooklynFan 31-05-2010 03:05 PM

Hello??? Israeli soldiers first radioed the ships and told them to stop entering Gaza as tehre is a blockade there, as Hamas, a terrorist organization, has taken over it. the flotilla ignored them and continued on to Gaza. Israeli soldiers then entered the ship and were attacked by knives, metal bars and live fire. Ony then did the soldiers begin shooting TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. why, why, why is middle east press coverage ALWAYS biased and one-sided???

BB_Eye 31-05-2010 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrooklynFan (Post 3273696)
Hello??? Israeli soldiers first radioed the ships and told them to stop entering Gaza as tehre is a blockade there, as Hamas, a terrorist organization, has taken over it. the flotilla ignored them and continued on to Gaza. Israeli soldiers then entered the ship and were attacked by knives, metal bars and live fire. Ony then did the soldiers begin shooting TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. why, why, why is middle east press coverage ALWAYS biased and one-sided???

This is just the Israeli Defense Force's spin on the story and even they admit they were blocking foreign aid.

Sticks 31-05-2010 04:24 PM

These ships were supplying terrorists who have been firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

They got off lightly with only 10 deaths

By international law, (Article 51 of the UN Convention), Israel had every right to sink every last ship with all hands.

WOMBAI 31-05-2010 04:31 PM

Personally - sick to death of terrorists - couldn't care less what happens to any of them!

arista 31-05-2010 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 3274186)
These ships were supplying terrorists who have been firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

They got off lightly with only 10 deaths

By international law, (Article 51 of the UN Convention), Israel had every right to sink every last ship with all hands.


"These ships were supplying terrorists who have been firing rockets at Israeli civilians."


Wrong they were supplying Aid for the public of Gaza

Sticks 31-05-2010 05:14 PM

They were supplying an area that is ruled by Hamas, a terrorist organisation which has as it's aim the annihilation of Israel.

Even supplying food to terrorists is supplying and giving succour and support to terrorists and their aims.

The people of Gaza know what they have to do and over throw the men of violence, namely Hamas, but they choose not to. In fact they voted in this terrorist organisation. Israel, under article 51 of the UN charter has every right to do what ever it takes to defend her people.

Israel so far has shown great restraint when it would be well with in it's right of self defence to take more aggressive action with more casualties to eradicate a threat to it's people.

arista 31-05-2010 05:23 PM

Food is needed for Children - Sticks,
as for your Yank Attitude,
You are on your own.

Sticks 31-05-2010 05:32 PM

So it is perfectly acceptable to fire rockets at civilians and go in with explosives around your body into a crowded market to kill as many women and children as possible, but not acceptable to try and prevent that?

The Palestinian authority of Hamas has pledged to annihilate another sovereign state. All the people of Gaza need to do is overthrow this terrorist regime. Until then Israel has every right given to it by Article 51 of the UN charter to defend it's people, just like we did when we sent the armada in 1982 when our sovereign territory was attacked by Argentina.

As the Israeli PM at the time observed, Britain was allowed to send forces halfway around the world under article 51, but Israel who is defending against a real threat much closer to home can do nothing?

keithafc 31-05-2010 05:40 PM

Im behind Israel on this.

There is a video on youtube of the stabbings.

Go Israel!

arista 31-05-2010 06:05 PM

"So it is perfectly acceptable to fire rockets at civilians and go in with explosives around your body into a crowded market to kill as many women and children as possible, but not acceptable to try and prevent that?"

Of Course not that is the Everyday War
that never ends.

The point is
the Ship folks had Sticks so the Nazi Type Israeli Gun Killers
shot them in cold blood.


You Stick with your Evil View
and the rest of the World will
be more fair.

Sticks 31-05-2010 06:22 PM

The ship people were ordered to dock at a particular port by the Navy because they were trying to supply terrorists.

When the commandos boarded the ships after the ships disobeyed a direct order, the people on the ship attacked first with knives and firearms. The commandos returned fire in self defence.

The navy could have just sank every last ship and made sure all the so called activist drowned to send a message out to those who would support terrorists, and still be justified in that action by Article 51 of the UN charter which allows for self defence.

As I said earlier, those in the ships got off lightly.

arista 31-05-2010 06:31 PM

"The commandos returned fire in self defence."


A Stick (the boat) Vs a Machine Gun.

Nazi Like for sure.


Result - Murder.
Guilty - Israeli.

keithafc 31-05-2010 06:32 PM

They attacked the Israel soilders.

arista 31-05-2010 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keithafc (Post 3274936)
They attacked the Israel soilders.


Sure they did
they Fired Massive Nukes.

keithafc 31-05-2010 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3274998)
Sure they did
they Fired Massive Nukes.

They KNIFED Israel soilders. There is PROOF of this on youtube. They fired the first shots and when you do this, you get all you deserve.

Its not nice, its a **** situation.

Nemo123 31-05-2010 07:00 PM

The ships were trying to break a blockade because Gaza is only getting about a quarter of its daily needs, because the Israelis have it under siege.

On the face of it, it was an act of piracy and murder to board a ship flying a Turkish flag in international waters.

InOne 31-05-2010 07:02 PM

There are already protests being set up. Looks like more anger and violence from Muslims in the UK.

WOMBAI 31-05-2010 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3275094)
There are already protests being set up. Looks like more anger and violence from Muslims in the UK.

Just gives them another excuse!

InOne 31-05-2010 07:07 PM

http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php...5195439&ref=mf

Nemo123 31-05-2010 07:11 PM

Would you not agree this is an act of piracy, ie to forcefully board a ship flying a sovereign nation's flag, on the high seas?

Once again the Israelis have been caught perpetrating a criminal act. And they have the gall to call others terrorists.

Sticks 31-05-2010 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemo123 (Post 3275083)
The ships were trying to break a blockade because Gaza is only getting about a quarter of its daily needs, because the Israelis have it under siege.

And Gaza is rightly under blockade because of the attacks on Israel by rockets and suicide bombers.

These ships were going to supply a terrorist regime and so Israel invoked its right under article 51 on the UN charter to do what it take to defend it's people.

Nemo123 31-05-2010 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 3275195)
And Gaza is rightly under blockade because of the attacks on Israel by rockets and suicide bombers.

These ships were going to supply a terrorist regime and so Israel invoked its right under article 51 on the UN charter to do what it take to defend it's people.

I don't accept the legitimacy of Israel and won't until they make terms with the Palestinians.

However, whatever side you're on, this was an act of piracy in international law on the high seas, and Israel can and I hope will be prosecuted for it.

BrooklynFan 31-05-2010 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB_Eye (Post 3274005)
This is just the Israeli Defense Force's spin on the story and even they admit they were blocking foreign aid.

Prime example of the one-sided media. The way this is being reported is how the pro-palestinians are spinning it

You dont enter a blockade and expect to go in smooth sailing! Youre asked to stop, you STOP. you dont start shooting and knifing the soldiers.

Ther's a REASON there's a blockade. and weapons are being smuggled on these 'innocent aide' ships.

Nemo123 31-05-2010 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrooklynFan (Post 3275304)
Prime example of the one-sided media. The way this is being reported is how the pro-palestinians are spinning it

You dont enter a blockade and expect to go in smooth sailing! Youre asked to stop, you STOP. you dont start shooting and knifing the soldiers.

Ther's a REASON there's a blockade. and weapons are being smuggled on these 'innocent aide' ships.

They were in international waters. Israel has no jurisdiction.

Oh and btw, they're in an Isreli port now. Have the Israelis found any weapons?


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