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arista 15-06-2010 07:21 PM

Muslim Protesters In Barking `
 
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The Muslim protesters shouted 'murderers' as troops from the Royal Anglian Regiment paraded through Barking

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We should get out of Afghanistan
it is never going to get better.

Sign Of The Times.

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InOne 15-06-2010 07:27 PM

Love the way they always have to put extremist in there somewhere. What these idiots don't seems to realize is that Muslims kill eachother more than anyone else kills them. They should have rounded them up, checked their passports and any of those who were not born here should have been kicked out. Or maybe the ones born here should be too...

King Gizzard 15-06-2010 07:29 PM

Who the **** do they think they are

Angus 15-06-2010 07:34 PM

Such wonderful ambassadors for the peace loving, tolerant, forgiving religion that is Islam:rolleyes:

InOne 15-06-2010 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 3350338)
Such wonderful ambassadors for the peace loving, tolerant, forgiving religion that is Islam:rolleyes:

No no, we just don't get Islam you see. We're too stupid to understand what it teaches. Therefore we will all burn in hell, inshallah.

KG. 15-06-2010 07:38 PM

To think I used to live in that shithole. Oh the shame.

Angus 15-06-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3350350)
No no, we just don't get Islam you see. We're too stupid to understand what it teaches. Therefore we will all burn in hell, inshallah.

Islam teaches that God's will is all encompassing and it is incumbent on muslims to accept whatever is thrown at them in this life. Why then do they go to such lengths to disobey this key doctrine from the Qu'ran? Load of bloody hypocrites.

Angus 15-06-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3350350)
No no, we just don't get Islam you see. We're too stupid to understand what it teaches. Therefore we will all burn in hell, inshallah.

Islam teaches that God's will is all encompassing and it is incumbent on muslims to accept whatever is thrown at them in this life. Why then do they go to such lengths to disobey this key doctrine from the Qu'ran? Load of bloody hypocrites.

Angus 15-06-2010 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KG. (Post 3350358)
To think I used to live in that shithole. Oh the shame.

Well at least the ****heads are in the right place then.

InOne 15-06-2010 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 3350484)
Islam teaches that God's will is all encompassing and it is incumbent on muslims to accept whatever is thrown at them in this life. Why then do they go to such lengths to disobey this key doctrine from the Qu'ran? Load of bloody hypocrites.

Just waiting for some Middle Class Daddys girls to try find some way to defend them and label anyone who questions racist. :rolleyes: That is what annoys me really, the idiots they get to talk about these situations.

Angus 15-06-2010 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3350522)
Just waiting for some Middle Class Daddys girls to try find some way to defend them and label anyone who questions racist. :rolleyes: That is what annoys me really, the idiots they get to talk about these situations.


And those that defend them usually live in isolated splendour far away from the reality of inner city ghettoes where some streets resemble a middle eastern souk. Spare us these sanctimonious breast beaters, the likes of whom have allowed this scum into our country, so that we now have to fight the enemy within.

karezza 16-06-2010 10:39 AM

Mohommed was an epilepic who married a 9-year-old girl.

Novo 16-06-2010 10:46 AM

Someone tell me why the **** we let them live in this country

BB_Eye 17-06-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Novo (Post 3353265)
Someone tell me why the **** we let them live in this country

If having vile views is grounds for deportation, can we send Kelvin MacKenzie, Ron Atkinson, Gary Bushell, Justin Fashanu, El Proximo and cupid stunt to North Korea please?

BB_Eye 17-06-2010 06:12 PM

Wait a second... this was in Barking aka BNP country? Do they have a death wish?

Tom4784 18-06-2010 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3350289)
Love the way they always have to put extremist in there somewhere. What these idiots don't seems to realize is that Muslims kill eachother more than anyone else kills them. They should have rounded them up, checked their passports and any of those who were not born here should have been kicked out. Or maybe the ones born here should be too...

ALL organised religions are as bad as each other with the exception of probably Budhism, you never get any extremist Budhists :joker:.

You can't really judge an entire group of people by the actions of a few, cut out the problem and don''t tar the rest. Those protesters are obviously idiots and most Muslims would not stand with them, like most Catholics wouldn't support the peadophile priests. You can't define someone by the actions of a few idiots. Is England full of intolerant violent thugs because of the actions of a few idiotic football fans? Is Ireland full of terrorists? Answer to both is obviously no. Not all muslims are extremists wanting to change our way of life either.

InOne 18-06-2010 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 3364246)
ALL organised religions are as bad as each other with the exception of probably Budhism, you never get any extremist Budhists :joker:.

You can't really judge an entire group of people by the actions of a few, cut out the problem and don''t tar the rest. Those protesters are obviously idiots and most Muslims would not stand with them, like most Catholics wouldn't support the peadophile priests. You can't define someone by the actions of a few idiots. Is England full of intolerant violent thugs because of the actions of a few idiotic football fans? Is Ireland full of terrorists? Answer to both is obviously no. Not all muslims are extremists wanting to change our way of life either.

I was talking about in the Middle East. The fact is they do kill eachother more than anyone kills them out there. They get the Taliban out and then they complain. They are the ones that have probably never visited those countaries and don't even understand what is going on. Obviously all Religions are all bad, but in our time, just seems that Islam is being that little bit more vocal.

Tom4784 18-06-2010 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3364294)
I was talking about in the Middle East. The fact is they do kill eachother more than anyone kills them out there. They get the Taliban out and then they complain. They are the ones that have probably never visited those countaries and don't even understand what is going on. Obviously all Religions are all bad, but in our time, just seems that Islam is being that little bit more vocal.

Obviously? Islam is the majority religion there so most of the crimes will most likely be commited by muslims there. Most crimes in the UK are comitted by UK citizens because there's more UK civilians then residents from other countries in the uk so I'm not quite sure what you meant there?

As for the rest, Ignorance exists everywhere so you can't say it's only coming from the Muslim community. Again you're tarring an entire religion of people with different views and beliefs on their own faith because of the actions of a few. that's the part I don't like. You've got die hards and more casual believers in every religion and Islam is no different.

spitfire 18-06-2010 01:30 AM

They worship a peadophile, i think the argument stops there.

Shasown 18-06-2010 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 3364246)
ALL organised religions are as bad as each other with the exception of probably Budhism, you never get any extremist Budhists :joker:.

Dont you? The Rape of Nanking and other atrocities committed by Japanese (Buddhist) soldiers during WW2.

The Sinhalese-Tamil (Buddhist - Hindu) civil war in Sri Lanka saw atrocities committed by both sides. The genocide of the Urghurs, the massacres of Muslims in Thailand. Laos, Burma and South Vietnam(prior to and during the Vietnam War) all saw terrorist atrocities committed by Buddhists.

Tibetan Monks rioted and looted banks within the last 5 years, chinese soldiers were killed during the riots

All Buddhist countries have seen atrocities committed by Buddhists in the last 80 years. Christians and Muslims dont have a monopoly in terrorist murders attrocities and genocide in the name of religion.

It is not religion, but politics, injustice, colonialism, greed for land and resources and occupation that create violence

BB_Eye 18-06-2010 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by spitfire (Post 3364669)
They worship a peadophile, i think the argument stops there.

I don't think the Queen, Lord Nelson, Shakespeare, Milton, Blake or Churchill would be very pleased with your spelling and grammar.

BB_Eye 18-06-2010 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 3366989)
Dont you? The Rape of Nanking and other atrocities committed by Japanese (Buddhist) soldiers during WW2.

The Sinhalese-Tamil (Buddhist - Hindu) civil war in Sri Lanka saw atrocities committed by both sides. The genocide of the Urghurs, the massacres of Muslims in Thailand. Laos, Burma and South Vietnam(prior to and during the Vietnam War) all saw terrorist atrocities committed by Buddhists.

Tibetan Monks rioted and looted banks within the last 5 years, chinese soldiers were killed during the riots

All Buddhist countries have seen atrocities committed by Buddhists in the last 80 years. Christians and Muslims dont have a monopoly in terrorist murders attrocities and genocide in the name of religion.

It is not religion, but politics, injustice, colonialism, greed for land and resources and occupation that create violence

Well said

Tom4784 19-06-2010 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 3366989)
Dont you? The Rape of Nanking and other atrocities committed by Japanese (Buddhist) soldiers during WW2.

The Sinhalese-Tamil (Buddhist - Hindu) civil war in Sri Lanka saw atrocities committed by both sides. The genocide of the Urghurs, the massacres of Muslims in Thailand. Laos, Burma and South Vietnam(prior to and during the Vietnam War) all saw terrorist atrocities committed by Buddhists.

Tibetan Monks rioted and looted banks within the last 5 years, chinese soldiers were killed during the riots

All Buddhist countries have seen atrocities committed by Buddhists in the last 80 years. Christians and Muslims dont have a monopoly in terrorist murders attrocities and genocide in the name of religion.

It is not religion, but politics, injustice, colonialism, greed for land and resources and occupation that create violence

Firstly the buddhism thing was a joke and secondly anyone who commits violence in the name of Buddhism isn't a buddhist since it's core concepts are all about bettering yourself, promoting peace and doing good in the world. It's more of a case of Buddhism being used as a tool by others to commit violence rather then condoning the violence itself. Which you could say for Islam and Christianity except both of their pasts are completely blood soaked due to their own doing (Christianity in particular).

Also in the examples you gave there's only really one which could be seen as extremist behavior (the religious war) the rest seem to me just to be terrible crimes commited by Buddhists rather then religious extremist actions.

Organised Religion is bad because of what most of it promotes and how it can by used to turn people against each other but in fairness Buddhism doesn't preach hate or violence so on the Totem pole of the most violent religion it has to be pretty low in comparision to others.

Shasown 19-06-2010 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 3369788)
Organised Religion is bad because of what most of it promotes and how it can by used to turn people against each other but in fairness Buddhism doesn't preach hate or violence so on the Totem pole of the most violent religion it has to be pretty low in comparision to others.

Neither does Christianity nor most other organised religions. The basic tenets of most religions are peace and love. Surely the assessment of how violent the adherents of any particular religion should be how many acts of violence have been committed in its name as opposed to what they preach.

Its the people doing the organising that promote the violence and hate. Using religion for their own agenda.

WOMBAI 19-06-2010 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 3350246)
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/...69_634x410.jpg
The Muslim protesters shouted 'murderers' as troops from the Royal Anglian Regiment paraded through Barking

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0qx0thCVA


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/...17_634x378.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/...83_634x388.jpg


We should get out of Afghanistan
it is never going to get better.

Sign Of The Times.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/...30_634x366.jpg

What a vile, hateful bunch - they should not have been allowed to attend the march! If they hate our country and what it stands for so much - then they should leave! Simple - just a bunch of leeches!

Tom4784 19-06-2010 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 3370086)
Neither does Christianity nor most other organised religions. The basic tenets of most religions are peace and love. Surely the assessment of how violent the adherents of any particular religion should be how many acts of violence have been committed in its name as opposed to what they preach.

Its the people doing the organising that promote the violence and hate. Using religion for their own agenda.

I kinda disagree with the second sentence because there's a big distinction between Buddhism and other religions, With Christianity and Islam there's violence at it's core (stoning none believers, Adulterers, Gay people ETC) and a history of violence commited in it's name. Buddhism doesn't speak a word about hate, it even says to respect other religions and their holidays and values as long as they promote good will.

I agree with the last sentence though, it's the main reason I hate organised religion. Islam and Christianity are violent religions yes but most of it's followers are inteligent enough not to share their more violent beliefs. It's just the few that use the easily led for their own goals. Buddhism isn't innocent either but I think at it's core it's not as bad as others.

InOne 19-06-2010 01:53 PM

At the end of the day, Islam and the West don't mix. And we shouldn't be trying to let it.

Shasown 19-06-2010 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 3370651)
I kinda disagree with the second sentence because there's a big distinction between Buddhism and other religions, With Christianity and Islam there's violence at it's core (stoning none believers, Adulterers, Gay people ETC) and a history of violence commited in it's name. Buddhism doesn't speak a word about hate, it even says to respect other religions and their holidays and values as long as they promote good will.

I agree with the last sentence though, it's the main reason I hate organised religion. Islam and Christianity are violent religions yes but most of it's followers are inteligent enough not to share their more violent beliefs. It's just the few that use the easily led for their own goals. Buddhism isn't innocent either but I think at it's core it's not as bad as others.

Then that shows what little you know of the basis of Christianity.

What violence is actually at the core of Christianity? The death of Jesus? Stoning non believers, adulterers etc is a Jewish/Muslim punishment.

Nowhere in his ministry or teachings does Jesus advocate stoning of anyone, nor any sort of violence, in fact he stops a stoning doesnt he? I think he advocated something along the lines of peace on Earth and goodwill to others. Forgiveness, turning the other cheek, brotherly love etc.

It isnt so much the religion as the motivations of the people using the religion to achieve their aims.

You could I suppose argue about the Crusades, subjugation of indigenous populations etc done in the name of Christianity, but that wasnt done at the request of Jesus was it? It was done by ambitious people using the religion to gain wealth, the mistaken belief it would gain them admission to heaven, fame, etc.

Tom4784 19-06-2010 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 3371337)
Then that shows what little you know of the basis of Christianity.

What violence is actually at the core of Christianity? The death of Jesus? Stoning non believers, adulterers etc is a Jewish/Muslim punishment.

Nowhere in his ministry or teachings does Jesus advocate stoning of anyone, nor any sort of violence, in fact he stops a stoning doesnt he? I think he advocated something along the lines of peace on Earth and goodwill to others. Forgiveness, turning the other cheek, brotherly love etc.

It isnt so much the religion as the motivations of the people using the religion to achieve their aims.

You could I suppose argue about the Crusades, subjugation of indigenous populations etc done in the name of Christianity, but that wasnt done at the request of Jesus was it? It was done by ambitious people using the religion to gain wealth, the mistaken belief it would gain them admission to heaven, fame, etc.

Fair points, although I might have been thinking of the old Testament. I'm pretty sure there was some death sentences and such in there.

Vicky. 19-06-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3370566)
What a vile, hateful bunch - they should not have been allowed to attend the march! If they hate our country and what it stands for so much - then they should leave! Simple - just a bunch of leeches!

Totally agree with this.

Bunch of mindless idiot tbh. (The extremists, not muslims in general...)

Shasown 19-06-2010 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 3371675)
Fair points, although I might have been thinking of the old Testament. I'm pretty sure there was some death sentences and such in there.

Yeah there are lots of deaths murders rapes, adultery etc in the OT, there are also all forms of support to back up any particular belief.

But Christians look upon the OT as proof that God would send a Messenger, his son, that he would be born of the House of David etc.

It also provides Christians with the basic laws from God that jesus would have lived by, the ten commandments etc. A bedrock if you like for him to build his ministry on. The history of the people from who he was descended etc.

The New Testament also sort of accepts that the reader would have an understanding of the Old Testament particularly about gods promises to man (sending a saviour etc).

Tom4784 19-06-2010 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 3371736)
Yeah there are lots of deaths murders rapes, adultery etc in the OT, there are also all forms of support to back up any particular belief.

But Christians look upon the OT as proof that God would send a Messenger, his son, that he would be born of the House of David etc.

It also provides Christians with the basic laws from God that jesus would have lived by, the ten commandments etc. A bedrock if you like for him to build his ministry on. The history of the people from who he was descended etc.

The New Testament also sort of accepts that the reader would have an understanding of the Old Testament particularly about gods promises to man (sending a saviour etc).

Ah I see, fair enough.

Shasown 19-06-2010 04:45 PM

And going back to Buddhism, I presume you never heard about the Sarin attacks in Japan in 1995

Sarin is a form of nerve agent, it kills relatively quickly by stopping certain chemical enzymes from working within the body, some of the symptoms are difficulty in focusing, increased sweating, muscle twitching then spasms, involuntary urination and defecation, vomiting, then cessation of breathing.

The attack was perpetrated by the Aum Shinrikyo on the Tokyo subway killing 12 commuters, seriously injuring 54 and affecting 980 more. Some estimates claim as many as 5,000 people were injured by the sarin.

They were also responsible for another sarin attack in the Japanese city of Matsumoto, Nagano, killing eight and harming 200 more.

The Aum Shinrikyo are a buddhist sect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo

sarza 19-06-2010 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3371259)
At the end of the day, Islam and the West don't mix. And we shouldn't be trying to let it.

Totally agree with you, too many differences!

Those pics make me totally sick, its a disgrace that they allowed to get away with it all, send them all to an islamic country cos they obviously not happy with uk and what we believe in...

WOMBAI 19-06-2010 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sarza (Post 3372506)
Totally agree with you, too many differences!

Those pics make me totally sick, its a disgrace that they allowed to get away with it all, send them all to an islamic country cos they obviously not happy with uk and what we believe in...

Trouble is they want to leech off our more successful economy, benefit from our democratic society - including free speech - whilst at the same time preaching nothing but hate for our way of life and attempting to murder our citizens! I would chuck the lot of them out - only way to safeguard our own citizens! Priorities - we need to protect our own!

InOne 20-06-2010 12:56 AM

Religion is purely personal, but when dictated, it becomes corrupted.

Tom4784 20-06-2010 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3374447)
Religion is purely personal, but when dictated, it becomes corrupted.

Very true.

BB_Eye 20-06-2010 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 3370651)
I kinda disagree with the second sentence because there's a big distinction between Buddhism and other religions, With Christianity and Islam there's violence at it's core (stoning none believers, Adulterers, Gay people ETC) and a history of violence commited in it's name. Buddhism doesn't speak a word about hate, it even says to respect other religions and their holidays and values as long as they promote good will.

I agree with the last sentence though, it's the main reason I hate organised religion. Islam and Christianity are violent religions yes but most of it's followers are inteligent enough not to share their more violent beliefs. It's just the few that use the easily led for their own goals. Buddhism isn't innocent either but I think at it's core it's not as bad as others.

Feudal Asia isn't exactly the first thing that springs to mind when I think of peace and harmony.

If there is a fundamental difference between Christianity and Buddhism, it is in its philosophy towards life. Christianity offers the answers to "why"... all the big questions. Why are we here? Why do good people get punished in life evil people rewarded? What happens after we die? And it promises something far better in the afterlife and reassures the believer that this life is simply a temporary stage.

Buddhism proposes that we stop asking these questions and offers a way of dealing with life's ugly realities and, in turn, accepting them.

Tom4784 20-06-2010 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BB_Eye (Post 3375288)
Feudal Asia isn't exactly the first thing that springs to mind when I think of peace and harmony.

If there is a fundamental difference between Christianity and Buddhism, it is in its philosophy towards life. Christianity offers the answers to "why"... all the big questions. Why are we here? Why do good people get punished in life evil people rewarded? What happens after we die? And it promises something far better in the afterlife and reassures the believer that this life is simply a temporary stage.

Buddhism proposes that we stop asking these questions and offers a way of dealing with life's ugly realities and, in turn, accepting them.

Then again was the feudal period down to Buddhism? I always throught it was just a power struggle between different Warlords and factions instead of anything religion based.

A very good distinction as well, I should have thought about that instead of staying at a more basic level.

setanta 20-06-2010 02:20 PM

The many ironies of this article do make me chuckle. Here you have a group of Muslin extremists practicing their rights in a democratic society - a paradox if ever I've seen one - and far right groups reacting violently towards it.


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