Ok that's twice in the last few days JJ has stitched Ben up
 

That's twice he has got away with it and led the attacks on Ben.

He's either very stupid or playing his own game.

First Rachael...most boo's upon entering

now Ben..second most boo's upon entering

Both entered before JJ

JJ is very manipulating. He thinks he knows how the public will vote. Josie was right today, he thought he would start on her but she shot him down so now he starts on someone else.

JJ's got a point though. Out of 14 people, Ben picked Sunshine, who is meant to be a 'mate' and still acted like a mate right before and right after. Public don't give a toss because they dislike sunshine, but looking at the whole situation open mindedly, it was a dirty thing to do.

I think JJ is probabally dissapointed in Ben.

yeah, Ben was stitched up by being exposed for things he has actually done.

Gotta feel sorry for the guy... right?

JJ has principles and a good heart, liking the guy more and more.

I'm not saying he hasn't got a point regarding Ben nominating Sunshine but his part in all this is just as bad so he has no right to attack anyone else.

He was discussing nominations with people who hate Ben, bitching about Dave with them and then he says to them that "this will make next weeks nominations easier" or similar. He had no right to get so angry about it, I'm just amazed nobody pulled him up regarding his comments.

It's a pity he doesn't stick by those principles then. The guy is a hypocrite.

OH WHATEVER....JJ is a nob and tbh why the fuk shud he care who ben nominated its a ***** game...who ben nominates has nothing to do with JJ and he should keep his nose out of it...wtf...JJ is a nob and i actually hope the girls make him cry again

100% agree, people are being biased because they dont like the HM was 2 faced to. I have said I thought he did it because he knew she would be up anyway, but after not knowing an explaination why he did it, suggests to me he would sh!t on anybody to stay..

I am still making my mind up about him, but it's heading in the right direction. he could still go either way for me.

Ben though?

horrible two faced scroat through and through lol.

It was week one!! They werent mates!

Like i said before elsewhere... anyone that spends 90% of his time apologising to others for his INTENTIONAL actions shouldnt be a man to be trusted.

He is a snidey back biter through and through.

have none of you noticed? JJ jumped on Ben to distract everyone from the fact that he was discussing other people behind their backs. Nobody noticed which i found amusing :)

Well, it appears it's only you and mario (lol) that thinks this.

Everyone else in that clique thought differently it seems.

maybe Ben shouldnt have told her repeatedly they WERE friends? Might have helped the confusion...

I may be alone here, but JJ was defending his friend, which I admire. He is very close to Sunshine, he even stated that part of his reason for disliking Rachael was her attitude to Sunshine.

He correctly brought up Ben's obsession with "loyalty". Not a very loyal thing to do.

I don't dislike Ben at all, but JJ was not in the wrong imo.

Yep. He even referred to Sunshine as a friend in the nomination itself!

I dont think John stitched him up....John likes Sunshine and was suprised that Ben had voted for her.Dont you all notice Shabby is always involved in noms talk... she started all that and then left it to the others to fight it out... no-one picked up on that.She got away with it again!!!

Exactly. I was refering to that in my 2nd post.

I think jj overreacted and he was only
bothered coz he wanted to divert the heat from the fact that they had just cost the house £500 also ben and sunshine weren't close when he nominated her so
can everyone just back off ben

I think we npticed but (like the housemates) we a re choosing to ignore it! :hugesmile:

lol no... Ben is at last being held up to the light and I love it.

my bad :cat:

He is just very thick

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he went over Govan. Govan is being edited well, Ben isn't.

But he hasn't done anything wrong in this case...I thought his bitching about the addams family was the only wrong thing about him not
the fact that he nominated someone who he wasn't particularly friends with at the time but became close to after the noms

another one here who thought they 'wernt friends', Despite the fact that JJ, Dave, and SS herself thought they were...

Out of 13 others he chose one of his clique, one that he had told he could trusteded and that he was her friend repeatedly, to nom...

lol classy guy.

Do you actually watch big brother? When he nominated her the first thing he said was ''I'm gong to nominate someone whom I consider a close friend of mine''.

As previously stated in this tread... three times... people are defending Ben because they dislike sunshine. Take a step back, look at the situation. Constantly tellling someone your their friend, then nominating them, is dirty.

Anyone who is too thick to understand that shouldn't be posting here.

Definitly Danny, on both points.

People here just tune out what dosent agree with their view of their fav HM though lol... it isnt the place to come for objective chat.

to be honest they are all calling each other "friend" which is absolutely ridiculous. They have done this since day one mind, they know nothing of each other as they are stuck in this controlled environment. You cant just go around calling people friend in these situations, it is pathetic (in these circumstances) and childish. No wonder these situations happen, when a "friend" betrays another "friend"...because they are NOT friends, just people with similar narrow views on other people. Jjust saying so doesn't make it so.

Ehh excuse me I'll post here whether you like it or not and you don't even know me just because we have different views don't mean younare smart and I'm the think one besides isn't the point of this to have discussion and know what are other people's opinions are kmt

Its not about opinons, its about people not watching the program properly, posting stuff they know nothing about AND argueing that opinion against those who have.

In my opinion, they both suck.

Peoples opinions are just that, their own opinions. Just agree to disagree because people read situations differently. :D

I quite liked JJ's tactic to deflect any possible ill feeling towards those discussing nominations onto Ben. Not only did it get Ufe, himself and Caiomhe out of the firing line it also deflected attention from Govan and Shabby(who also discussed nominations)

Talk about an excellent smoke screen.

In reality Ben did say he considered her a close friend however he was nominating her for the benefit of the house, so what, did anyone else own up to being two faced, the short answer is no.

Big Brother sort of forced that argument by mentioning Sunshine as being the subject of the speculation about Bens nomination. As he felt forced into a corner by JJ he had to defend himself and in doing so, clumsily, earned the house another punishment, the real fault lies in those discussing who he had nominated but mostly in JJ for pushing that line of conversation to get off the hook for being one of the original party.

I would have thought people would have been more perturbed by Scabby and Jovan's discussion to stitch up Mario.

Yeah, Shabby and Govan wormed their way out of that situation effortlessly. Two extremely manipulative people.

I agree. He is a hypocrite and playing the game. I think Dave is a hypocrite too.

yeah and im sick of it!!!!!!! :mad: he always starts these viscious attacks ben's his victim as soon as he betrayed ben with the whole "shabby rubing hands gate" i knew ben was always going to be john's constant target! . john's not happy unless he's causing all this bullying and argueing thats how he gets his jolly's! :shocked: