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arista 25-06-2010 04:39 PM

PM David Cameron wants Our troops out of Afghanistan in 5 years
 
PM David Cameron
told SkyNewsHD this Important News.

About Time
Fecking New Labours Big Errors.
Feck Off America its your Mess Up.


http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...hin_Five_Years


Thats the Way Forward.



Piss Off New Dead Labour.

Harry! 25-06-2010 04:41 PM

We want them out NOW not 5 years time.

spitfire 25-06-2010 04:41 PM

I'd like them out in 5 minutes.

arista 25-06-2010 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry! (Post 3399605)
We want them out NOW not 5 years time.


Of Course we do
but you can not just walk out leaving a Mess
That is the Recent History of the Pathetic Yanks.



At Least we have a Timetable.

Stinking New Labour Refused to do that.

Shaun 25-06-2010 04:47 PM

It's rather amusing really - if he just left now, everyone would be moaning about how much of a mess we've left it in. But we stay there, and there's this alien notion that, sometimes, soldiers die in battle.

What the Hell do you expect? The Taliban aren't going to sit in a circle and make daisychains with the allies; they have guns. Very big guns. People are going to die. *throws hands up in the air and walks away*

arista 25-06-2010 04:49 PM

Shaun we stay there due to America.


This is all a Blair/Brown/Bush
Feck Up.

bronaaaa 25-06-2010 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3399593)

About Time

This

Scarlett. 25-06-2010 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 3399629)
It's rather amusing really - if he just left now, everyone would be moaning about how much of a mess we've left it in. But we stay there, and there's this alien notion that, sometimes, soldiers die in battle.

What the Hell do you expect? The Taliban aren't going to sit in a circle and make daisychains with the allies; they have guns. Very big guns. People are going to die. *throws hands up in the air and walks away*

Well said! we cant just pull out of Afghanistan after the damage we caused going there

Nemo123 25-06-2010 04:56 PM

It's a terrible indictment of the media that we (the public) don't know why the soldiers are there.

arista 25-06-2010 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemo123 (Post 3399663)
It's a terrible indictment of the media that we (the public) don't know why the soldiers are there.



Yes a Utter New Labour Feck Up.

GiRTh 25-06-2010 05:02 PM

Its going to take 5 years because the war has become very tactical. The Taliban are using different weapons and strategies than first anticipated.

We cant just blame the Yanks for this, Tony Blair was at least complicit in this illegal war. There's the September dossier, the death of Dr David Kelly, as well as all the troops killed in the line of duty. Blair has blood on hands as well a lot of questions to answer. Some are for the war in Iraq but most people consider them to be one and the same

Its good that Cameron has made this a priority but the way we got into this war has to be the subject a thorough independent investigation.

arista 25-06-2010 05:06 PM

Yes Blair is a War Criminal.

Nemo123 25-06-2010 05:12 PM

I still think the media are afraid to tell the whole story. I've read the real reason for the war is that the Taliban won't do business with the oil companies. So the Taliban has to be replaced with a regime that will.

Nemo123 25-06-2010 05:27 PM

The second option is to build a pipeline south from Central Asia to the Indian Ocean. One obvious route south would cross Iran, but this is foreclosed for American companies because of U.S. sanctions legislation. The only other possible route is across Afghanistan, which has of course its own unique challenges. The country has been involved in bitter warfare for almost two decades, and is still divided by civil war. From the outset, we have made it clear that construction of the pipeline we have proposed across Afghanistan could not begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders, and our company.

Statement by Unocal to American congress, Feb 12 1998.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/oil.html

arista 25-06-2010 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemo123 (Post 3399840)
The second option is to build a pipeline south from Central Asia to the Indian Ocean. One obvious route south would cross Iran, but this is foreclosed for American companies because of U.S. sanctions legislation. The only other possible route is across Afghanistan, which has of course its own unique challenges. The country has been involved in bitter warfare for almost two decades, and is still divided by civil war. From the outset, we have made it clear that construction of the pipeline we have proposed across Afghanistan could not begin until a recognized government is in place that has the confidence of governments, lenders, and our company.

Statement by Unocal to American congress, Feb 12 1998.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/oil.html


Yes America Stinks.

Nemo123 25-06-2010 05:30 PM

That's why 9/11, by 15 Saudis, turned into an invasion of Afghanistan. Strecth the truth a bit.

arista 25-06-2010 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemo123 (Post 3399852)
That's why 9/11, by 15 Saudis, turned into an invasion of Afghanistan. Strecth the truth a bit.


Yes
Bang On Right.

bananarama 29-06-2010 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spitfire (Post 3399606)
I'd like them out in 5 minutes.


Agreed......Cameron is simply setting himself up as the good guy for the next election......Which will probably be well before the five years......

A prime minister worth a pinch of salt or with any sense of morality and justice would consider five years as completely unacceptable......Just imagine the number of casualities over that period......Cameron is a hypoctritical swine......

BB_Eye 29-06-2010 06:02 PM

Cameron has gone back on his word plenty of times already.

I don't see this happening.

arista 06-07-2010 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB_Eye (Post 3420239)
Cameron has gone back on his word plenty of times already.

I don't see this happening.




You Are Wrong

Now Today.



Breaking News

7:43pm UK, Tuesday July 06, 2010
British Troops To Leave Deadly Sangin

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...eaths_Occurred


This is Great News
as so many British Troops have sadly been lost in this area.



This Is what Fecking Stinking New Labour
got us Stuck in.

Patrick 06-07-2010 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 3399629)
*throws hands up in the air and walks away*

:joker::joker:

WOMBAI 06-07-2010 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry! (Post 3399605)
We want them out NOW not 5 years time.

This!

arista 06-07-2010 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3455649)
This!


Sure

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...eaths_Occurred


But This is well good news.
Right Now.

WOMBAI 06-07-2010 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 3399629)
It's rather amusing really - if he just left now, everyone would be moaning about how much of a mess we've left it in. But we stay there, and there's this alien notion that, sometimes, soldiers die in battle.

What the Hell do you expect? The Taliban aren't going to sit in a circle and make daisychains with the allies; they have guns. Very big guns. People are going to die. *throws hands up in the air and walks away*

Point being they shouldn't be dying for someone else's bloody war! They should never have been sent there in the first place - most people are now in agreement on that - and the soldiers need to come home and back to safety! They have all done their bit!

Angus 06-07-2010 08:06 PM

Unfortunately, having now poked our noses into their country and interfered with their politics and culture, we can't just withdraw overnight, since there would be absolute mayhem (of our making) being wreaked on innocent Afghans by the Taliban and other insurgents. It is in the interests of future stability in the Middle East to make sure that the radicals and terrorists do not gain control of Afghanistan since this would be extremely dangerous for the West. We created the mess, so we have to clean it up before we leave, that's the problem and the reason for a five year time line.

iRyan 07-07-2010 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 3399850)
Yes America Stinks.

It's not our fault, it's that ****ing piece of **** George Bush's fault who basically spent all 8 years of his presidency ****ing up our nation, and now Obama is working as hard as he can to try clean up the donkey's mess.

arista 07-07-2010 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iRyan (Post 3457953)
It's not our fault, it's that ****ing piece of **** George Bush's fault who basically spent all 8 years of his presidency ****ing up our nation, and now Obama is working as hard as he can to try clean up the donkey's mess.

Yes GW Bush was the Worst since Nixon.

arista 07-07-2010 10:58 AM

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content...1/15660600.jpg


Yes Well Done Conservative-LibDem Power.

Feck Off Stinking New Labour.

Shaun 09-07-2010 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3455662)
Point being they shouldn't be dying for someone else's bloody war! They should never have been sent there in the first place - most people are now in agreement on that - and the soldiers need to come home and back to safety! They have all done their bit!

Oh absolutely, but whether or not they should be there in the first place is moot, because they're there now. There's no sense in a rapid withdrawal. It would leave the country in a bigger mess than it was in when we went there.

spitfire 09-07-2010 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 3466920)
It would leave the country in a bigger mess than it was in when we went there.

Tough.
It's time to come home.

arista 09-07-2010 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 3466920)
Oh absolutely, but whether or not they should be there in the first place is moot, because they're there now. There's no sense in a rapid withdrawal. It would leave the country in a bigger mess than it was in when we went there.


No Shaun
we are moving out
Yanks move in.

That is the way forward.

WOMBAI 10-07-2010 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spitfire (Post 3466926)
Tough.
It's time to come home.

My thoughts exactly!

WOMBAI 10-07-2010 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 3455897)
Unfortunately, having now poked our noses into their country and interfered with their politics and culture, we can't just withdraw overnight, since there would be absolute mayhem (of our making) being wreaked on innocent Afghans by the Taliban and other insurgents. It is in the interests of future stability in the Middle East to make sure that the radicals and terrorists do not gain control of Afghanistan since this would be extremely dangerous for the West. We created the mess, so we have to clean it up before we leave, that's the problem and the reason for a five year time line.

We didn't exactly create the mess, - it was in a mess long before we arrived!

Much as I sympathise with the ordinary Afghans - I don't want our soldiers dying for them - we cannot police the world! Five years is way too long - a lot of young soldiers are going to die in that time leaving a lot of devastated families and children! Soldiers can't pick where they are sent but I am sure most of them didn't sign up for that!

The Middle East will never be stable - religious differences and hostilities will forever be a problem there - the very ethos of middle eastern countries is lack of tolerance and belligerence - our presence just causes them to direct their hostilities towards our soldiers instead!

Shaun 10-07-2010 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spitfire (Post 3466926)
Tough.
It's time to come home.

What a humanitarian you are.

WOMBAI 10-07-2010 07:25 PM

He is a humanitarian - he cares about our soldiers! They are human beings too - people's sons, brothers, fathers, husbands etc. Most Brits want them home now!

Tom4784 10-07-2010 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 3455897)
Unfortunately, having now poked our noses into their country and interfered with their politics and culture, we can't just withdraw overnight, since there would be absolute mayhem (of our making) being wreaked on innocent Afghans by the Taliban and other insurgents. It is in the interests of future stability in the Middle East to make sure that the radicals and terrorists do not gain control of Afghanistan since this would be extremely dangerous for the West. We created the mess, so we have to clean it up before we leave, that's the problem and the reason for a five year time line.

This basically, it's a nice thought to withdraw the soldiers instantly it's not going to happen and the people saying that they should are living in a pipe dream and haven't thought about the long term effects of doing so.

Sadly we've got to clean it up.

Shaun 11-07-2010 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3474668)
He is a humanitarian - he cares about our soldiers! They are human beings too - people's sons, brothers, fathers, husbands etc. Most Brits want them home now!

Yes, but they should know what they are putting themselves forward for when they enlist in the army. I really struggle to understand why people ignore this fact - you can criticise the war itself and the reasons behind it all you want, but it's not like tens of thousands of men were conscripted - they joined voluntarily.

WOMBAI 11-07-2010 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 3478445)
Yes, but they should know what they are putting themselves forward for when they enlist in the army. I really struggle to understand why people ignore this fact - you can criticise the war itself and the reasons behind it all you want, but it's not like tens of thousands of men were conscripted - they joined voluntarily.

Yes, but they didn't join up to fight other people's religious wars. People join up for many reasons, but I don't suppose many, if any, said they joined up to go risk their necks in Afghanistan or Iraq. And if people didn't join up, national service would be introduced and all young men would be required to do their bit and put their necks on the line! It isn't our war and it isn't our responsibility to police the world and risk our soldiers all the time.


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