The gay marriage debacle
 

Anyone else finding this ridiculous? He's a man of deep faith which is widely known to be against gay marriage and the other housemates are just using this as a reason to pick on him and make him look like a bad person. Since when is a person defined by their beliefs? He's shown absolutely no malice towards Mario, Corin, Govan or Shabby and never once voiced his disdain at homosexuality until pressured into voicing his beliefs by Josie in front of everyone. I'm finding the whole thing I a bit nasty to be quite honest.

Um, If I wanted to get married to a dude and it was up to him - he'd deny me and my boyfriend marriage. He's a cunt for that.

depends on how strongly he believes in it I guess. Ultimately he has very half-hearted beliefs in a wholeheartedly terrible religion.

are you telling me that if you were in a serious relationship with a man and planned to get married, you would go and ask a Catholic monk to marry you, even though you're fully aware of how homosexuality is perceived in the church?

I think it's a bit unfair on Dave to be picked up on that. He's absolutely cool with gay people being in the house; he's quite blatantly not homophobic - he's a Christian, of course he's going to disagree with gay marriage - I actually think he should be viewed in a positive light for being fine with gay people in spite of his religious beliefs.

No, I just said if it was up to him he'd deny me and my BF marriage.

Well you and your hypothetical boyfriend's marriage has very little to do with a Brummie in a Big Brothe rhouse.

Not him - the church denies you the right. He just has to abide by the law of the church.

Yep. Even Mario stood up for him and said he's not against it but in his capacity as a monk he is unable to perform the ceremony.

If it was up to HIM, he'd say no.

This, I don't really like him but it's obvious that he isn't homophobic and I don't really think he believes in that part of it really, he seemed a bit half hearted about it.

Yeah I'd say they're overreacting big time and just using it against him.

What they should be really annoyed about is his insufferable pontificating and bizarre bible reading sermons.

I agree with gay marriage as it is about loving someone but if Dave doesnt thats up to him and he is entitled to his opinion. If you were gay and wanted to marry then I am sure there are plenty of other people who would marry you. Just go to one of them.

Who could say?

He's only taken that stance because it's the law of the church, if it was fully upto him I don't think he'd mind really since it's obvious he isn't homophobic.

he is trying to walk a tight rope on the one hand he dont want to offend his faith on the other he dont wanna offend the voting public
personal i just think he should do what ever he thinks is right and bugger every one else you should always be true to your self

He'd really be in trouble with the church if he did that. :joker:

Josie brought it up so that she had an excuse to vote for him and unfortunately for him it is sticking to him as Ife used the same excuse this week.

I dont like Dave but I really went off Josie and my opinion of her has plummeted the more I see of her since then.

yep but sometimes it needs people on the inside of a organisation to say something is wrong to get change

It doesn't really bother me to be honest, I think he's trying to stay true to his beliefs but he is clearly not homophobic and doesn't mind sharring a bed with another man and out of all the religions out there ( not that I agree with any of them) Cristianity does tend to change with the times so it's only a matter of time before they allow gay marriage. Besides the Bible is full of gay sex it's just that it's used as punnishment in the bible.

PMSL What bible have you been reading? Did Moses assfuck pharoah into letting the Israelites go from Egypt?

I agree, just giving the housemates an easy nomination tbh.

LOL I believe it's in the book of Job if you wish to look it up

He's basically saying, though "You're my friend but sorry, I don't think you deserve the same rights I do".

No he's saying 'You're my friend, but the religion I follow does not grant you the same rights as I have' - not about his personal opinion and nothing about whether or not gays should have the same rights.

Can't believe housemates are still going on about it, Big Brother should stop them from using it as a reason to nominate Dave.

any form of homosexual encounter is an abomination and you will burn in hell , apart from lesbians if thier fit and are fairly discreet about it and don't slack on thier duties of collecting wood and cooking etc .... However God loves sinners and if you repent and turn to our Lord and saviour Gods son jesus christ of nazareth then you can go to heaven. Or something.

seriously though Dave is clearly not homophobic Not like that grumpy little asswipe science who would not even eat the anus of a chicken in case he turned gay.

Then why would you want to be married in a faith you clearly would not believe in since it takes the view that gay marriage is wrong? THAT to me is just being a *****. If gay people want to get married go tie the knot in a register office, not in a church.

Quite right too, because you would be unreasonable to expect him to compromise his faith for you.

If anything they are religious bigots who are discriminating against Dave on the grounds of HIS faith. If a muslim cleric had been in the house and had said he would not condone gay marriage, would those "want to be seen jumping on the PC Bandwagon" sheep dare to nominate him for the same reason? I think not - bunch of hypocrites.

good post.

Angus58 - you are the voice of reason. Is your surname Metatron by any chance?

The Christian faith of over 2000 years old. It is NOT a religion of intolerance and hate, but in the scheme of things, gay marriage is quite a new idea, and the church can't change doctrine every time public opinion shifts - it took over 1300 years just to get the bible written in English.
Besides - if you find the church so repulsive, why on earth would you want to celebrate your wedding there?
Either way, it's not up to Dave – he wouldn't be allowed to marry a gay couple any more than I would.

He has as much right to his opinions as you - get someone else to marry you then - no big deal!

Couldn't agree more! It is a cheap shot by the hms and the public - to use his faith as an excuse to personally attack him! Put me off Josie - saw a different side to her then!

Well said!

Well no. He's basically saying "You're my friend but sorry, my bosses believe that at the moment if we cave on this rule some of our existing members might get hacked off and leave the organisation. However not so far from now they will more than likely relax this old fashioned rule to fall in line with the current social standing. If it were up to me I'd do it because I love you but my hands are tied on this. Pass the nail varnish buddy. Is my guy-liner on straight? C'mon let's hug it out."

Y' see he may be boring but he's not a bigot. :)

At the end of the day he is a slimeball not on his views about gay relationships but at his acting up by laying around with young men. What message is he giving out? To me it is his desperation not to be nominated that he will do anything to keep these men on his side.

if he doesn't agree with gay relationships fair enough but what is he doing lieing around with men and constantly cosying up to them the fact that he is so desperate he would do that to stay in the house says to me he is sad and not a full christian or whatever he's supposed to be!

Get him out!

That's what Dave is like, he's a tactile bloke. He's like it with me and all our mates and most of us a very happily married.

In the Bible John was described as the one who reclined on Jesus. I'm not comparing Dave to Jesus I'm just saying God has no problems with people getting their cuddle on. It's a just a good old fashioned 'cwtch' as we call it here in Wales.

Dave is a sick twat, just because you believe in the bible doesn't mean that you have to be homophobic.

it seems that you only have religious freedom in this country as long as its not old fashioned Christianity:nono:

Dave tried to explain his position very near the begining. He said that HIS interpretation of the scriptures is that gay marriage is wrong but he has absolutely no problem with gay people as God loves everyone.

Is he not allowed that belief because it doesn't fit into our PC world:conf:

what IS mattiage in the eyes of the church:conf: It used to be the bringing together of a man and a woman cementing their relationship before having children:conf:
Now I'm not so sure what it is meant mean apart from some trendy equal rights tax break:conf:

He isn't a homophobe. Bandwagon jump much?