thread aimed to those who enjoy to analyse
 

Okay, like Sir drama crab-eyes John James himself, I enjoy to analyse and interpret peoples behaviour in successfully understanding them better, however, I am struggling with John James.


On the one hand, he is suffering with some kind of case of bi-polar and constantly changes his mind about Josie and his affections toward her, OR on the other hand he is infact playing the game and is doing this constant changing his mind to attract attention and cause us all to enjoy watching his crazy emotions and thus making good tv. He does always seem to be in shot, I have almost forgotten the other housemates. He does have the highest IQ (or so I read on here) and i'm not altogether surprised, you can tell hes intelligent. But I mostly am trying to work out if he is:

a) Playing the game and is a very good actor and is planning on using big brother as his audition tape for neighbours.
b) Inlove with Josie and doesn't want to start stuff on TV because hes a private person and doesn't want to make a show of his romance
c) ACTUALLY does liken his and Josie's relationship to Caoimhe and Shabbys.

Please do not share your opinion if it is merely 'john dont lyk josie coz she iz fat' -because that useless and incorrect.

B

The guy has spend weeks in very close proximity to a master manipulator who has isolated him from everyone else and told him over and over what to think about himself, how he feels about others and when to take a $hit, no wonder his head is mince.

I think out of your options b is the most accurate.

He has low self esteem dispite his good looks and does come across as a somewhat shy person when it comes to sex.

Part of his problem is that he is easilly wound up by others. Ben in the nest mentioned the Caoimhe/Shabby comparison today (in the HL show), and he later said it to Josie.

Also I don't believe he is bipolar, I think he suffers from paranoia, he admitted to recording all his friends conversations, like who does that?

I think his bio on the c4 homepage should be read by everyone, especially the "i would do anything to win" part.

IMO actor, perhaps with an earplug under the hat.

I think it could be C.

This is because I think John James is very aware that he is leading Josie on, he wants to lead her on because it will gain him a lot of air time (which has proven to have worked), and also because hes going for the girl unlucky in love, rather than some tart, which will make him look very good.

However hes realised that his situation is similar to Shabby and Caoimhe's, with him taken up Caoimhe's role which naturally is the worst of the two as she was the one leading on, and Shabby the one who got hurt, which Josie fits as. Hes now in fear that he'll look bad and will boost Josie's chances on winning sky high, so has pulled out and now needs to decide if he will get with her or tell her straight that they are only friends, and stop the fumbling about. Seems hes gone with option 1, as it comes with lots of juicy air time and showmances often are popular.

(firstly i think it is worth considering everyone on the show exaggerates their personality in their VT and everyone who goes on the show would like to win)

I think B. Low self esteem + paranoia = teased by people (which he says has happened) + probably hurt by friends (which must have happened otherwise he wouldn't feel as though he should record his freinds' conversations).

He reminds me of Stuart from last year who was attractive and had said that he worked out to make himself look different and better than when he was teased at school. Just think, if JJ didn't have muscle, he would be soooo skinny, he excursuses and worries about his appearance because his has self image issues which spawn from low self esteem and low confidence in himself, which were caused by teasing in earlier life. [we are all a product of our childhood] (stress on IN HIMSELF, he can appear confident with things not about himself)

If people have an opposing viewpoint to your own, it doesn't mean they are not opinionated. And I didn't detect any abuse in angus's post.

My own opinion is that JJ doesn't know what he wants. He doesn't love Josie, even though he keeps saying it, and he certainly isn't interested in her physically. However, he is ultra-aware of the cameras and wants to make sure they stay on him. The bi-polar comment is way off track.

interesting posts here.
sometimes i forget he is insecure, he hides it so well.

Possibly B

Although I think he could have just accidently gotten so close to her that he has dug himself into a hole he can't get out of and thinks far to much of her to hurt her in anyway shape or form

It's a tough one, what I can't work out is the fact he tells everyone he has these strong feelings for her and so forth, yet tonight he was saying "sorry, i can't do it to you josie "as he walked out the house..what I want to know is what can't he do to her?

Is he following a pre ordained story line, is he a mole, an actor or what..something just doesn't ring true..

the way he droops his head when he isn't leading the conversation as well draws suspicion from me, it's like he's ashamed of whats around the corner...whats that about!! grr, I wish I knew..


But that "i'm sorry josie" statement has really annoyed me, because he obviously does like her so much that he doesn't want to hurt her,but how will he hurt her if they had already agreed that it's not the right place for anything to happen?

..so to me it's like he has something planned further down the line that he doesn't want to do!!

I've seen him described as schizophrenic, has Asperger's Syndrome, psychotic, sociopath, and now bi polar.

It's dead interesting how out of all the housemates he is the one that so many people feel the need to diagnose...well it is to me anyway....he'll never come anywhere near Shabaz for me in terms of 'issues'...

He meant he didn't want to upset her.

A! But, he didn't reckon on josie being equally manipulative and getting into his head! I think hes playing the game as is she!

Sorry I didnt really read the title of the thread and thought it was for people who liked anal sex. My mistake, too many glasses of wine.

Benny is an annoying effete queen - that is my analysis

Gie the effete queen Ben a cuddle simon?

awww i would love to cuddle ben :hug:

The thing I like about John James is He's in it to win it, he's loyal to his mum, he's a scrappy little survivor.

Go JJ! JJ FTW

B

But I don't think he isn't making a move because he's a private person, I think he's ashamed to be seen dating a fatlass to be perfectly honest.

He is bascially emotionally immature and lost independence, confidence and developed low self esteem due to his dads death. He basically see's Josie as a mother figue. She is pushing it and trying to turn it into something sexual, which it really isn't. Also JJ's Dad used to get jealous of the relationship between JJ and his mum, now think on that... ;)

Edit: Nice avatar Hope-x :love:

today's HL JJ1 looked like he was auditioning for some Shakespearean play iwas LMFAO at his bad acting:joker:, to me he's clearly playing a game which is to hog BB airtime (by keeping on the showmance with josie) JJ doesnt give a **** about money or winning he just wants to be famous. IMO of course & dont expect you JJ fans to agree with me:xyxwave:

Yeah at last a sensible post about John James. I have been trying to analyze him as well but if you put anything positive on here you just get a barrage of John haters. I think he is very insecure, I think in the real world he probably would have run all his feelings by his mother, and is struggling with them, I think he is not experienced when it comes to woman and think that because josie is not your sterio typical woman he is attracted to her. He was talking quite openly about sex at the beginning of BB and this seems to be an area that he may not have much experience in and if he does truly have feelings for josie he may be worried about how he comes across. I dont think he is leading her on but is worried about what people on the outside may think about how he is handling the situation. He certainly has issues and imagine at some point in his life has been seriously let down hence the trust issue. He is an only child, his father unexpectantly dying he is probably very very close to his mother - it may all relate to this. I dont think he is gay but I do think if JJ was in at the beginning we would have seen a different side to John, I wonder if he initally clung to josie because of his paranoia.

I Completely Agree (although i would add low self esteem and paranoia into the things that make him insecure). He said so. she mothered him like a puppy at the beginning, and he said that he only trusted her. So yes, that is why he gravitated to her at the beginning.

That is definately not what I meant. I just mean, if your already convinced you LOVE john james, or HATE him, then what you have to say is completely useless! I wanted to hear from people who usually get beaten down when they suggest a new idea.

Anybody else think he isn't psychologically fit for the house? It just seems that being enclosed in the same space really gets to him at times.

I don''t blame him, Josie's been mucking about with his head for weeks.

Not so much Big Brother as Oedipus Rex.

I think you summed it up quite nicely there InOne.

I agree but i think quite alot of people would feel this way. It is a place that looks very easy but really it is very challenging. In particular i think it is his paranoia that makes it difficult for him in there.

Exactly. There are similarities with Freddie and Bea last year. When people mess with your head in that house, there is no escape. I don't think I would be able to spend months in that house anyway!

hhhhhmmmmmmmmm, I'm really not sure tbh. He is very hard to figure out and this is why I enjoy watching him. I find him so interesting. And for that reason he's my favourite HM, it's a TV show after all and he intrigues me and is keeping me interested in the show. If I had to choose right now, I would say that he is confused and un sure of what his feelings for Josie are.


Great thread btw!

Yeh, that is an interesting comparison. Because Bea was quite a game player and she definitely lead Freddie one, who really seemed to genuinely like her. It is a shame i detested Freddie because i would have felt sorry for him otherwise.

I am under the impression you mean Bea is Josie and Freddie is John James?

I think its NOT a game plan. Josie fancys him a lot. He really really likes her as a friend.

The issue is the way josie goes about things when he upsets her. She says everythings fine and walks off. He NEEDS to talk about it and get it sorted. otherwise it makes him go insane and he panics she may be put off him. He is very insecure. It's not his fault it just how he is. Needs reassuring all the time and him going out of the fire exit was to get attention from housemates and to stop him and make him feel better. It was for the housemates NOT the public. However when he was talking to the producers who were telling him to go back in and was crying, i believe that bit was real again.

All josie needs to do is talk to him and sort the problem out when there is one. She plays him though as she LOVES him groveling for forgiveness hence why she gets in moods with him. Then makes him feel loved. She is in total control.

I agree. The conflict in his mind is between what he actually feels about her and what he has been repeatedly badgered into feeling over the last few weeks about her. Even militarily trained guys have a breaking point when they are put under such repeated coercion, just imagine what state his pea-brain is in.

ah, but now another twist, what about him saying that he 'feels the same way' to josie and was 'denying it' ? and the kiss?!

Yeah just the way that they are bothing playing with there heads a bit. Both Freddie and JJ look as if they suffer from some form of paranoia. In an enclosed enviroment where you literally can't get away from it that can only enhance the situation.

again a tough one, is he so fed up of her punishing him for not reciprocating her feelings that he's decided his life would be easier to just give in, or did he genuinely not want to start something in there in case it's just the house environment playing tricks with his emotions and head?????

I'm going to watch how he is behaving with her, his body language and stuff before I make a call on that one! What do you think?

this is what i have been doing.

so that i can make up my own mind.

Coercion.