We don't want to fund the pope's visit.
 

Some 77% of Britons think taxpayers should not help pay for Pope Benedict XVI's visit to Scotland and England, a survey suggests.

An online poll of 2,005 adults issued by think tank Theos also found 79% had "no personal interest" in his visit.

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I heard the bbc are sending 400 people to cover the popes visit,now we know where the tv licence money goes :conf:

I don't want to pay for him to come here. They should take the money out of the religious community, or expect him to visit for free.

Even better, don't let him come. There's a reason for that huge square in the Vatican City, for people to go and SEE THE POPE.

At the end of the day, it's my choice not to be religious so it should be my choice to pay or not.

He's the head of state for the Vatican, they all have their trips funded

Bigoted, corrupt douchebag in charge of a dated, stupid cult, with a penchant for condemning everyone to AIDS and rehabilitating paedophiles and Holocaust deniers.

Absolute disgrace of a man and of a religion.

My mate's got to go listen to him speak xD

Is there only one pope? I know this has been asked loads of times etc but I still don't actually know or can't remember what the answer was.

Also what do pope's do?

The chap is living in the dark ages and so is the Vatican. Cannot believe that it's still going ahead and I doubt very much if it'll be all plain sailing for him over there.

Yes, and then when he dies all the Cardinals at the Vatican elect a new one.

He basically has to define moral and religious issues to Roman Catholics as well as appointing Bishops, naming Saints, representing the Church abroad, provide the Catholic Church's views on current affairs etc.

The last Pope - John Paul II - was more popular than the current one

He rides in a Pope Moblie and waves at people.

LOL he sorta sounds funny.

And thanks :) I get it now.

:wavey: That's me.

He is meant to be a guest of honour like a lot of heads of state from different countries who visit. What I can't fathom is what this Pope has done to be 'honoured'.

If you had zero interest in Roman Catholicism you should, at least, be excited about the big economic boost it will bring. Good for business if nothing else.

Having said that, he is the head of a state and gets the usual accommodations, security, etc.
In fact, many a celebrity gets this kind of consideration including ones i don't give a damn about.
Many a politician gets all these considerations.
IF Richard Dawkins becomes head of state or brings millions to an event then he will get these considerations.

Yep, he's just entitled to the same benefits that any head of state gets

How about we send Kerry Katona to Vatican City for a week and they can fund that?

The Vatican funds millions of visitors, guests, celebrities, heads of states and even non-religious UK citizens every year.

So I guess we are all even.

I just think we could be more discriminating when it comes to receiving our 'guests of honour'. Nobody is forcing the government to play nice when a head of state comes to visit. There was understandable controversy when Augusto Pinochet and Robert Mugabe were treated as guests by Thatcher and Blair respectively. Both should have been placed under arrest for human rights violations.

Nah, not with you on this one. It's costing 20million or so, plus people are being asked to "contribute" by handing over 25 quid or so to attend some of the open air masses.

And then the controversy that's going on within the Catholic Church and the Popes declarations on many issues will cause justifiably harsh protestations from some groups. It's just an accident waiting to happen.

People who go and pay to attend the events are on their own so that is neither her nor there,
but,
20 million is not a lot for a massive thing like this. It's no more or less than you would get if Obama was doing a similar route and events.
Just wrap your head around what the Olympics will cost never mind the pope.

There isn't a controversy going on in the Catholic Church but a huge number of Brits are Catholics.
Sure, not all Brits are Catholics but there is some national systems to avoid controversies.
Plenty of us could not give a flying *** about (for example) hosting a World Cup or parading the team around,
but,
its a 'national event' sort of thing for a significant number of Brits who worship this type of thing - so its all done together.

Again - you can go to the Vatican and see mass amounts of non-Catholic Brits being hosted there.
Catholic and non-Catholic happy to have the security, lights turned on, etc etc.

There really isn't that many Catholics in the UK. They are a minority within a minority (churchgoers). Certainly less than there are muslims

Most of them are not interested in the Pope. It's more about the spectacle.

Yes, I am aware of this situation. It's not always easy to identify just exactly how many people are 'nominal' or how many attend church regularly.

Just to mention something about that - 'regular church attendance' is some kind of highly regarded 'measure' and way of identification given far too much reverence in the UK.

But anyways
I'm not Catholic but accept that a lot of people are and when a Pope arrives there will be some kind of state 'funding' going on. I'm not even sure if 'funding' is the right word.
It is as much 'self interest' or just 'best interest'.
You don't really say you are 'funding the Olympics' (well technically there is some truth to that),
but,
You host the Olympics and 'invest in it' and spend money for your own self interests.
You pay a lot of security.
You don't really say "OH.. so we have to fund the Olympics".


Yes, it is the same for the Pope visiting the UK. Spectacle or not it requires a lot of security, special events planning etc etc.

It would be nice if things were 'our choice' of what we pay for. I don't like the fact that its costing so much money and personally I dont feel inspired by the pope in any way but I don't think his visit should be singled out as being a waste of money. I dont agree with our soldiers losing their lives everyday, but that does'nt seem to be my choice. I don't agree with that sh*te Tony Blair being showered with prestigious awards in America, when he is nothing more than a power hungry murderer but thats not my choice, I don't think I should help to pay back the debt this country is in, but thats not my choice. Lots of things cost us the taxpayer lots of money and we may be very strongly opposed to them - nothing we can do about it. I'm forgetting about the fact that its the pope and just thinking about it that if any 'VIP' choses to visit us at a time when we are seen in such a negative way by a lot of the rest of the world then we should be making the most of it and just accept it as a positive

Isn't alot of controversy? What? Do I have to mention some of the Pope's declarations that fly in the face of many people's beliefs, and not just that of Catholic people who are actually turning away from the church in their droves?

And the contributions are for the church, not for the British economy.

I can't believe you're saying it wont be a controversial visit and could lead to massive protests.

If it was Pope John Paul 2 I doubt there would be this uproar, its just because Benedict is a nasty old man.

In real terms, £10m isn't much of tax payers money considering the government get billions in tax each year. it just becomes a big issue when the Daily Mail get hold of the figure. Its like buying a bag of Space Raiders with a £50 note

online polls are not worth sh*t. It's biased due to the fact that only those that have extreme views can be assed to fill in the poll. Only random polls of people that reflect the diversity of a community gets real results. An online survey at www.pissoffpope.co.uk .... does not. :P Shame on you karezza for using bs stats. Catholics are tax payers too and so they indirectly fund government cash that goes to other religions ... therefor they've a right to it.

Right, they are their own belief system, club, organization. So the Pope makes declarations for his people.

This would be like you being outraged that Chelsea makes decisions that you strongly disagree with because you are an Arsenal supporter.

This would be like you being outraged at the Tories because they make declarations about their mandates and you being some Labour supporter don't like them.

This is like you being outraged that the Dalai Lama says things that you don't agree with because you are not a Buddhist.

I don't know what you are complaining about but just know these kinds of events are good for the economy.
Keep in mind this will draw massive tourism from everywhere else too. Tourism is awesome because it is nearly the closest thing to just getting 'free money' for your economy as we can ask for.

Uh?
Well I'm not sure what you think life should be like then? Protesters dictate who can be here.
Who gets to speak in public.
What a world you must hope for?
People are allowed to protest and good for them. They spend a lot of money on placards and help the local marijuana economy,
and,
afterward will buy a lot of bottled water and sell a lot of newspapers.
Win-win.

He should not be in the country. No Surrender.

Check out the headgear. As well as being a fashionista - Benny is cooler than a refrigerator.

http://sandboxworld.com/wp-content/u...aturno-hat.jpg

That's the whole problem though - he and his establishment are not representing the needs of their people in any way. That's why attendances are dropping and people are growing tired of the corruption and inflexibility within the hierarchy of the church.

That he has decided to foolishly make a visit to GB right now, after so many of his declarations fly in the face of a democratic and liberal minded state such as yourselves speaks volumes for his and the Vaticans disconnection with reality.

And they're pocketing the contribution money, not the government.

These protests could turn nasty too by the way.

I despise Labour.

Uh no, they have a massive amount of members who continually attend and carry on as Roman Catholics.
At any given time there are membership numbers that rise and fall and so some drop doesn't represent 'their people',
but,
No, I don't know anything about the Roman Catholics growing tired of your alleged corruption in the hierarchy.
I think you have been watching too many Dan Brown movies with Davinci Codes and 'Evil Priests'.
I don't now any declarations flying in the face of democracy (the Pope was voted into his office) or what you think 'liberal minded state' means,
but,
I think some of your declarations fly in the face of freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly and all kinds of things a liberal society ought to be known for and all but defined by,
yet,
You don't see me wanting to take away your right to post these ideas on a public forum?


I don't know what you think that means.
Then the wrongdoers need to be arrested for their nasty behavior and you ought to be disgusted with them for trying to censor, intimidate and harass those liberal values you like (selectively).

I'm sometimes so unaware of what's going on and when.. Is he coming to Edinburgh today??

More of a man because as a Christian myself, I think he's horrible. He comes out as a monster and makes Christianity looks so bad. I don't recognize myself in what he is saying.

Wow El Proximo, have you not heard some of the things he and his cohorts have been saying of late? I predict a riot.

I saw one thing where he was making 'declarations' about how important it was for people around the world from all faiths come together in mutual respect.. something else about loving your neighbours... some other thing about charity... something else about how there was more need to be vigilant protecting the innocent.

CRAZY!!!!

I'll give you some more doozies, shall I?

Well, I'll give you one for starters http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle7096149.ece

Pope's right hand man blames homosexuals for clerical abuse.

The taxpayer props up his visit and his chief aide Cardinal Kaspar insults the UK calling it a "third world country". I am deeply sorry he feels that way... maybe him and his excellency could have remedied that by never visiting this country.

Yeah, the third world comment was hysterical. Seriously, what planet or age are these fellas living in?