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Patrick 01-01-2011 07:16 PM

Matt Cardle's Winner's Song Has NOTHING To Do With Winning!
 
Let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Steve Brookstein Against All Odds

Against All The Odds Steve came out on top as the winner of The X Factor 2004. The Song's meaning reflects that Steve never expected to win, but did.

Shayne Ward That's My Goal

Shayne's goal in 2005 was to win The X Factor and he did that. Just like Steve's, The song can also be used as a Love Song but all in all it basically shows us that Shayne was going to give it his all and then he won.
This song remains my favourite X Factor winner's song ever.

Leona Lewis A Moment Like This

Pretty self explanatory, The song describes Leona winning the show and what it meant to her.
That winning moment that people 'wait a lifetime for' was what Leona got in 2006.

Leon Jackson When You Believe

Leon sings about the miracle that he won X Factor, 2007 saw a very poor series but the song Leon sings about tells us of the Miracle that happened to him.

Alexandra Burke Hallelujah

Hallelujah! Alexandra Wins The X Factor 2008!
Although the song's original meaning was about Sex, when Alexandra sang it was her way of singing about how gracious she was of the fact she won.

Joe McElderry The Climb

A very nice song indeed, This song basically told us about how much of a Journey, Joe had been on and the massive climb it took for him to get to the top spot of The X Factor 2009.
A Very good song for 'Looking Back..'



Which brings us too...

Matt Cardle When We Collide

Matt sings her about 'colliding' with his loved one.
And if they don't they'll always be apart, in other words if she doesn't ride him they'll never be together.





Now, so many people say 2010's Winner's Song was the best.
No it's not.
How on earth did that song even deserve to be a winner's song?

It has NOTHING what so ever to do with winning, at all.

Shayne, Steve and maybe Leona's songs were love songs yes.
But at least they also had a meaning to them for winning or becoming a champion.

Matt's song had nothing what so ever to do with winning or succeeding in anyway, shape or form.
Can someone please tell me how this song is so loved?

Simon made a really bad choice with this song.

For this year's X Factor, he really should get someone in to write the winner's song again, like in 2005.

Smithy 01-01-2011 07:18 PM

Rebecca's was, she was dreaming about winning

Niamh. 01-01-2011 07:18 PM

so what? It's the best winners song so far if you ask me

Shaun 01-01-2011 07:19 PM

someone didn't see Peter Kay's Britain's Got the Pop Factor.
the idea of your average "I came so far, omg the competition was really hard, Louis saved me in week 5, haha Treyc eat that" winners song lyrics got boring.

Patrick 01-01-2011 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 4029382)
Rebecca's was, she was dreaming about winning

Yeah I remember when I watched her's on the final I wanted her song to win just for the fact it had abit of a meaning to it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4029383)
so what? It's the best winners song so far if you ask me

It's not a winner's song though!

It's a great song sure, infact I love it but it has nothing to do with winning or achieving something, where as the other's do.

MTVN 01-01-2011 07:23 PM

Hallelujah isnt really about winning :/

Niamh. 01-01-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick (Post 4029387)
Yeah I remember when I watched her's on the final I wanted her song to win just for the fact it had abit of a meaning to it.



It's not a winner's song though!

It's a great song sure, infact I love it but it has nothing to do with winning or achieving something, where as the other's do.

but so what? There's no rule stating that the song actually has to be about winning, I don't see what the problem is. Hallelujah isn't about winning either btw

Mystic Mock 01-01-2011 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4029389)
Hallelujah isnt really about winning :/

this.

Niamh. 01-01-2011 07:26 PM

lol snap MTVN

InOne 01-01-2011 07:28 PM

Matt who? lawl

Patrick 01-01-2011 07:29 PM

Of course it is, The song is obviously about Sex originally but the word Hallelujah of course celebrates something at the end of an achievement.

Smithy 01-01-2011 07:29 PM

She's obv singing Hallelujah I won :nono:

MTVN 01-01-2011 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4029396)
lol snap MTVN

Great minds :wink:

Niamh. 01-01-2011 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4029398)
Matt who? lawl

Who is number one at the moment again? oh that's right Matt! silly me:joker:

Mystic Mock 01-01-2011 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4029406)
Who is number one at the moment again? oh that's right Matt! silly me:joker:

just ignore inone,there a troll.

Niamh. 01-01-2011 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 4029413)
just ignore inone,there a troll.

no he's not:nono:

Jordan. 01-01-2011 07:34 PM

I prefer the none cheesy winner songs.

Hallelujah & When We Collide >>>

MTVN 01-01-2011 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick (Post 4029400)
Of course it is, The song is obviously about Sex originally but the word Hallelujah of course celebrates something at the end of an achievement.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 4029403)
She's obv singing Hallelujah I won :nono:

Not a single line in the song is about winning though

Just because the song is released by the winner doesnt actually mean it has to be a song about winning either

Niamh. 01-01-2011 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4029418)
Not a single line in the song is about winning though

exactly.

Mystic Mock 01-01-2011 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4029416)
no he's not:nono:

well considering he dosent like the x factor i then dont know why his posting on the x factor section unless his trying to get a reaction out of people.

Niamh. 01-01-2011 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 4029422)
well considering he dosent like the x factor i then dont know why his posting on the x factor section unless his trying to get a reaction out of people.

he's allowed his opinion, same as everyone else JF (even if I don't agree with it:joker:)

Mystic Mock 01-01-2011 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4029423)
he's allowed his opinion, same as everyone else JF (even if I don't agree with it:joker:)

but he didnt say his opinion he just said matt who,to try and piss off the matt fans.

Niamh. 01-01-2011 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 4029430)
but he didnt say his opinion he just said matt who,to try and piss off the matt fans.

expressing his opinion that he thinks Matt will not stay successful after his winners song.

Mystic Mock 01-01-2011 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4029433)
expressing his opinion that he thinks Matt will not stay successful after his winners song.

fair enough you have your opinion but i think his delibrately trolling.

Zippy 01-01-2011 07:57 PM

They should move the release of these songs away from christmas. Then they can be as dreary(like this one) as they want. Sick of the christmas charts being hijacked every year. Simon has killed a massive tradition off totally...who will be christmas number one used to be a huge thing.

Kazanne 01-01-2011 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4029438)
They should move the release of these songs away from christmas. Then they can be as dreary(like this one) as they want. Sick of the christmas charts being hijacked every year. Simon has killed a massive tradition off totally...who will be christmas number one used to be a huge thing.

If someone brought a decent Christmas song out and people liked it they would buy it,it's not Simons fault that nothing new is on the market,Matt is number one as people like this record obviously.Nothing anyone can do to stop people liking and buying what they want,just because it does not 'fit in' with what some people want at Chriustmas.

Zippy 01-01-2011 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4029442)
If someone brought a decent Christmas song out and people liked it they would buy it,it's not Simons fault that nothing new is on the market,Matt is number one as people like this record obviously.Nothing anyone can do to stop people liking and buying what they want,just because it does not 'fit in' with what some people want at Chriustmas.

dont be silly. Nobody can compete with the promotion XF gets. The winning songs can sell like 4-500k on release. Nobody(short of campaigns like RATM) can compete with that.

It's a monopoly and should be stopped. :nono:

Kazanne 01-01-2011 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4029450)
dont be silly. Nobody can compete with the promotion XF gets. The winning songs can sell like 4-500k on release. Nobody(short of campaigns like RATM) can compete with that.

It's a monopoly and should be stopped. :nono:

Well people obviously are buying the record XFactor or not,if people DO NOT LIKE something they don't buy it surely,Does it really matter what is number one Christmas day? it's just a day,music is music,not all of us will like the same,this year is the first time I have ever brought an XFactor winners song and that is because I like it.

Zippy 01-01-2011 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4029469)
Does it really matter what is number one Christmas day?

Yes! are you foreign?

This is the UK and christmas No1 is(or WAS) a huge tradition. Now ruined. A lot of people resent that.

and given that all the winning songs seem to sell massively I think a lot do buy it regardless of how good it is.

Stu 01-01-2011 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4029442)
If someone brought a decent Christmas song out and people liked it they would buy it,it's not Simons fault that nothing new is on the market,Matt is number one as people like this record obviously.Nothing anyone can do to stop people liking and buying what they want,just because it does not 'fit in' with what some people want at Chriustmas.

Most people bought it because they find Matt 'sexy'. A million other men could have sung the same boring fucking cover that he did. People bought it because of the sex appeal and the fact that it's the X-Factor number one. It's become a national holiday pastime for goodness sake. The song itself is entirely unspectacular and humdrum. It just caught on through the relentless promotion and all the mentioned circumstances to the point where a tune you would under any other circumstances would never have considered became catchy to ones brain.

Listen to any piece of dirt for long enough and it will catch on.

It amazes me that people are entirely apathetic to how boring it has all become. Look at darling Matt's customary winners video. Boring shots of him against some abstract studio backround mixed in with slow motion black and white shots of him on the X-Factor or something like that. Same as every other bloody winners song. Where is the leg room for new creativity? Does it not bother you in the slightest?

He is a relentless bore who will be replaced by another relentless bore in twelve months time. Look at who he inheritid the crown from for fuck sake.

Kazanne 01-01-2011 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 4029485)
Most people bought it because they find Matt 'sexy'. A million other men could have sung the same boring fucking cover that he did. People bought it because of the sex appeal and the fact that it's the X-Factor number one. It's become a national holiday pastime for goodness sake. The song itself is entirely unspectacular and humdrum. It just caught on through the relentless promotion and all the mentioned circumstances to the point where a tune you would under any other circumstances would never have considered became catchy to ones brain.

Listen to any piece of dirt for long enough and it will catch on.

It amazes me that people are entirely apathetic to how boring it has all become. Look at darling Matt's customary winners video. Boring shots of him against some abstract studio backround mixed in with slow motion black and white shots of him on the X-Factor or something like that. Same as every other bloody winners song. Where is the leg room for new creativity? Does it not bother you in the slightest?

He is a relentless bore who will be replaced by another relentless bore in twelve months time. Look at who he inheritid the crown from for fuck sake.

People need to get over it,Matt is popular for whatever reason as are all chart singers,and I repeat,IF someone brought out a Christmas song that was on a par with the greats,it would sell,it is an insult to people to suggest that just because they like an 'XFactor' song that they are apathetic,just as it would be insulting to say that people who liked 'your' type of music are apathetic and boring,one mans meat is another mans poison ,there are far more important things in the world to get stressed about than the Christmas number 1.

Kazanne 01-01-2011 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4029476)
Yes! are you foreign?

This is the UK and christmas No1 is(or WAS) a huge tradition. Now ruined. A lot of people resent that.

and given that all the winning songs seem to sell massively I think a lot do buy it regardless of how good it is.

Christmas has lost a lot of things that are 'traditional' as proved on a thread here a while ago about Christmas being celebrated just for it's commercial value now,Can you remember the last great Christmas song brought out here in the uk?,it was years ago,before The XFactor started,we may have got the odd one but nothing like John Lennons,Slade,Wizard type songs,but perhaps some prefer Cliff Richards!

Zippy 01-01-2011 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4029635)
Christmas has lost a lot of things that are 'traditional' as proved on a thread here a while ago about Christmas being celebrated just for it's commercial value now,Can you remember the last great Christmas song brought out here in the uk?,it was years ago,before The XFactor started,we may have got the odd one but nothing like John Lennons,Slade,Wizard type songs,but perhaps some prefer Cliff Richards!

Im not even talking about christmas songs. There's always been big speculation about who will get the number one spot. It used to be a big deal. But now everybody knows its sewn up by the XF winner. Boring!

Hijacked.

ps; and nobody bothers even trying to compete anymore because they know its futile. They just don't bother releasing big records at that time.

MTVN 01-01-2011 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4029691)
Im not even talking about christmas songs. There's always been big speculation about who will get the number one spot. It used to be a big deal. But now everybody knows its sewn up by the XF winner. Boring!

Hijacked.

ps; and nobody bothers even trying to compete anymore because they know its futile. They just don't bother releasing big records at that time.

It's always been a bit of a joke though, Mr Blobby, Bod the Builder etc.

Stu 01-01-2011 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4029607)
People need to get over it,Matt is popular for whatever reason as are all chart singers,and I repeat,IF someone brought out a Christmas song that was on a par with the greats,it would sell,it is an insult to people to suggest that just because they like an 'XFactor' song that they are apathetic,just as it would be insulting to say that people who liked 'your' type of music are apathetic and boring,one mans meat is another mans poison ,there are far more important things in the world to get stressed about than the Christmas number 1.

I'm just making points. What is it that indicated I am stressing out? You could at least properly respond to some of the points instead of just totally avoiding them and giving these bizarre blanket arguments and proverbs.

Just how do you know christmas songs have not already been released this year that are on par with 'the greats'? I am going to assume you don't exactly dig deep for your musical kicks, and as many great artists neither have the money nor lucrative platform to push their songs to airplay - the ones that can even be bothered because as Zippy alluded to the X-Factor bores have scared off a lot of genuine competition from even bothering - how exactly are you comftorable with making such wide assumptions?

If a great was released? If? You hear what is sent directly to your musical inbox. Very little else. Plenty of better songs than Matt's [in name only, of course] 'effort' were released this year. It's just that most people will never have heard of them because most people don't look for music. Music finds them. That's not an indictment of people or pop more a nod to the way the industry - and it's consumers - work.

So please ... stop pretending Matt won because it was genuinly the best thing going. It wasn't. It was an event and people love events. They are more than happy to buy into it and feel that collective sense of victory when 'they' play a part in helping Matt 'overcome' or whatever other jubilant adjective you care to use.

Zippy 01-01-2011 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4029696)
It's always been a bit of a joke though, Mr Blobby, Bod the Builder etc.

Whether the songs are good or not is besides the point. It's about a free market. And christmas is for kids so at least those songs are appropriate.

ps; Im not stressed about it either. Just calmly giving opinion. *eats another pringle*

MTVN 01-01-2011 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4029727)
Whether the songs are good or not is besides the point. It's about a free market. And christmas is for kids so at least those songs are appropriate.

Yeah I suppose so, it would be nice if it was more competetitive again

Kazanne 02-01-2011 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 4029726)
I'm just making points. What is it that indicated I am stressing out? You could at least properly respond to some of the points instead of just totally avoiding them and giving these bizarre blanket arguments and proverbs.

Just how do you know christmas songs have not already been released this year that are on par with 'the greats'? I am going to assume you don't exactly dig deep for your musical kicks, and as many great artists neither have the money nor lucrative platform to push their songs to airplay - the ones that can even be bothered because as Zippy alluded to the X-Factor bores have scared off a lot of genuine competition from even bothering - how exactly are you comftorable with making such wide assumptions?

If a great was released? If? You hear what is sent directly to your musical inbox. Very little else. Plenty of better songs than Matt's [in name only, of course] 'effort' were released this year. It's just that most people will never have heard of them because most people don't look for music. Music finds them. That's not an indictment of people or pop more a nod to the way the industry - and it's consumers - work.

So please ... stop pretending Matt won because it was genuinly the best thing going. It wasn't. It was an event and people love events. They are more than happy to buy into it and feel that collective sense of victory when 'they' play a part in helping Matt 'overcome' or whatever other jubilant adjective you care to use.

How am I pretending? Matt won because people liked him,Matt is number one because people brought the record.People are not 'forced' to do anything.

Harry! 02-01-2011 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu (Post 4029726)
It's just that most people will never have heard of them because most people don't look for music. Music finds them. That's not an indictment of people or pop more a nod to the way the industry - and it's consumers - work.

I look for music :spin:

Stu 02-01-2011 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4030347)
How am I pretending? Matt won because people liked him,Matt is number one because people brought the record.People are not 'forced' to do anything.

I didn't say they were forced. You took a long, entirely logical explanation that I took the time to type up and replied with one sentence disregarding everything and instead insinuating something that I never once actually said.

This is wonderful.


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