When, to you (if ever), is violence acceptable?
 

Self defence? General anger? Protection of another? Not at all ever? Other?

Discuss

Self Defence. Yes.
In protection of another person who I care about. Yes.

Just in Anger becaause of my own self pitying angered feelings. No.

Well according to the law you are only able to use "reasonable" violence in self defence or in defence of another person - but the definition of "reasonable" is wide open to interpretation.

Personally, I wouldn't be standing there debating with myself whether I might hurt someone "too much" if that person is attempting to harm me or someone I care about. Instinct would kick in and strangely enough I wouldn't be giving a toss about the attacker at that moment.:rolleyes:

i guess it depends which country you're in at the time right? Every country has different definitions of what's acceptable and what's illegal.

In Texas you can kill a person for trying to rob your house, in Britain you'd be considered a murder.

I guess i fall somewhere in the middle as a Californian, i definitely think you have a right to protect your property, but not at the expense of someone else's life. I think you should be able to beat the intruder severely.

I think a baseball bat to the knee-caps would be appropriate.

I personally do not believe violence in any form solves anything but obviously if someone is being violent to me and I am unable to get away then I have to defend myself,so in the context of self defence or helping someone else who was unable to defend themselves then I would have to act to get free or help free the other person.

Sadly,you have to be careful just how you look at someone lately,people seem to want to pick fights for no reason whatsoever,then you have the added problem that they are likely to stab you with something. Even worse when alcohol is involved.

Self defence? Yes
Protection of another i care of? Yes

When i feel its needed.. Yes lol.

When you hate your fellow reality TV housemate.

I think self defence or to protect a loved one is acceptable, I mean who wouldn't it's a basic instinct really isn't it? I don't like violence and am not a violent person though.

If you are woken up in the middle of the night, to someone intruding into your house, how do you know their intentions?? how do you know if they are just trying to steal an ipod? or to rape your daughter? what drugs is he on? how would you know? and how much time would you take to decide?

I think I'm impulsively violent, but if there is a chance to calm the situation I would.

well, in short you wouldn't but are you going to take a risk that it may just be a friendly intruder wanting to steal your ipod and then regret that fact that your daughter was raped because you gave the intruder the benefit of the doubt?

How much time would it take me to decide? no idea, I have never been in the situation (thank God) and couldn't even hazard a guess at my reaction times if I were.

I wouldn't. I'd bash his kneecaps in and wait for the police to figure it out. I'd incapacitate him, make a citizen's arrest, then face whatever justice the courts dole out.

I've seen lots of cases like this in daily mail, where the person protecting their property/family, end up being prosecuted. And the intruder/criminal ends up being made out to be the "victim".

LOL it's not like the movies, most people panic under those situations and freeze.

well atleast those type of people don't have to worry about being prosecuted by thir own government for protecting their own family.

Seems like the government rewards cowardice these days.

Well it's different for us as it's illegal for us to even carry a knife yet you have the right to bare arms.

I don't do violence at all.. Obviously I would protect my loved ones in a situation in which they were going to be harmed, but violence would be a last resort.

There's nothing I hate more than unnecessary violence!

well, the way I see it, whether a person has come into your house to steal your Ipod, rape your daughter or murder you makes no difference, the bottom line is they shouldn't be in your home at all and if something happens to them while they're in there then it's there own fault. I believe the law was changed here not so long ago and you are actually allowed to use force to protect yourself, family or property (about time for it too) not that whether it was legal or not would even enter your head I think if it actually happened, I think you would just react really, the whole fight or flight adrenaline would kick in.

weapons don't even matter, the crown would prosecute you for even using the vulcan death grip it seems.

Your perspective sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Basically what yur saying, is, when it comes to violence...

If you are minding your own business, and someone intrudes, the person being intruded upon should get the benefit of the doubt. Not the intruder.

If someone intrudes, they should expect a violent reaction. That's how i feel.

You cannot intrude on someone else, and expect to be considered a victim.

absolutely. It's just a shame, like you said that the court systems seem to be so sympathetic to the criminals. He had a bad up bringing, he's a junkie blah blah blah..... If criminals were punished more severely then maybe they'd think twice before breaking into somebodies house

Even if it came to an intruder, I don't think I would naturally become violent. The only time I though I had an intruder was when I still stayed at my mams and I was home alone. I thought I heard my OH come in and come up the stairs as we were going out.. After about 2 mins I realised he hadn't made an appearance, so I went downstairs to see where he was..As I came downstairs there was the loudest crash from the living room.. My gut reaction was to run. I remember running so fast down the hall that I could hear the wind in my ears, managed to get myself into the toilet and lock the door.. I was whimpering, shaking and couldn't breath.. Then it dawned on me that my hips were too wide to get out the small loo window, which had been my plan! I opened the door without making a sound, got the phone and locked the door again.The pub next door got a mental, whispery message telling people to come quickly.. My OH and his friends appeared seconds later to "save" me. Turns out my intruder was just a mirror falling off the wall :laugh:

So, I don't think violence come naturally to people even in panic and when you think you're in danger.

Again though, it would be a different story if somebody was trying to get to my kids.

happyland, you don't have a family though, you were alone, so only interested in self-preservation. You might feel differently if you had loved ones vulnerable to such an intrusion.

yur reaction in that scenario sounds perfectly reasonble though.

You're probably right and tbh If it was a man breaking into my home I doubt I'd have much hope of stopping him anyway but If it was a case of protecting your self or your loved ones then you would have to try. I have no doubt if I were home alone and I had the option of just getting out of the house or taking on the intruder, I'd probably just get out and ring the police.

you can't negotiate with a psycho, and IMO anyone willing to break into someone's house has to be a bit psycho.

CAN'T TALK TO A PSYCHO LIKE A NORMAL HUMAN BEING. (+1 for anyone who knows what song that is)

I didn't have kids at the time,but I do now,and yeah I do agree if there was somebody in my house, trying to get my kids, I would do anything to keep them safe.

Yes, indeed and even if they just want to steal your stuff it's such a violation, the thought of it makes me sick tbh

don't know the song sorry, is it GaGa one by any chance?

Self defense and in defense of other people/your home...definitely.

Mind I have a tendancy to get quite violent during heated arguments...usually regret it afterwards but am just too hot headed.

Not excusing it or anything but I think it has something to do with where I grew up...was kinda fight or be fought type thing especially at school. learnt to look after myself from a very young age. And it stuck.

Its about using reasonable force to deter, bearing in mind in the eyes of the law force should only be used as a last resort.

Your legal aim is to protect your family and property, if there is no direct threat to yourself or others, shout and scream to scare off the intruder. is the correct action as opposed to lying in wait with a knife or other weapon.

If the intruder was intent on raping or assaulting someone in the house, then a warning if practicable followed by physical action, may be deemed to be appropriate, again your actions will be judged as to what a normal person would consider reasonable.

Trigger happy jack

I also think the reasonable force thing is a load of bollocks.

Who on earth will think...when being attacked...oh I shouldnt hit them too hard or whatever, incase I hurt them too much :rolleyes:

And the idea that shouting and screaming will even create a response is ridiculous. Most people now if they do hear someone shouting and screaming, will just close the window and turn the TV volume up.

Bit different if you are being attacked, you use the minimum force necessary to stop the attack, if that means hitting them over the head with something heavy, then hit them.

It steps over the line past self defence if, when the assailant is lying on the floor you then lay in and kick seven bells out of him.

because of course, it's so easy for the average person to know whensomeone is incapacitated right?

the idea that you are making excuses for someone who is in YOUR home, someone who has NO BUSINESS in anyone's home, let alone yours, prolly the only place they have a business being in, is in jail, which is exactly where you are sending them, and you still have the nerve to defend this scum.


seriously?

REALLY? SRSLY, like, REALLY?

i think yur just being contrarian and argumentative for the sake of it. i can't believe you would actually think that.

Except it doesnt quite work out like that unfortunately.

I was in a club a few years ago, and when I left some random bitch jumped me, so I naturally reacted...nothing was broken or anything, and tbh it only took a few punches to floor her. And then I was the one who got arrested because she was bleeding more :laugh:

Load of ****e, and one of the many reasons I hate the police :bored:

eggggsactly. Because in dysfunctional BROKEN BRITAIN, anyone stronger = guilty.

Doesn't matter who is right or wrong, in BROKEN BRITAIN, it's always the weak is innocent, the STRONG is guilty.

It's *******ed up.

Darwin is rolling in his grave.

I used to be part of a crowd who's answer to everything was violence.. All the blokes were little rich boys whose mammys used to keep them dressed in designer gear,but ultimately,they were no more than football hooligans. If their team lost at football,they'd fight,if their team won, they'd fight.If anybody looked at them the wrong way, they'd fight. I remember an old bloke felt my arse once in a pub and the lot of them (would never fight alone) took him outside and beat him until he was unconscious! When I saw what they'd done I went to phone for an ambulance, and got told that if I didn't get back in the pub and shut my face, I'd get the same.. that's the only time I've ever hit someobody.

So the "protecting your own" thing aside, I just have a hatred for violence, and to answer the OP, I really don't think it is ever acceptable.

Eugh dont even get me started on those daft wankers.

I have such hatred for people like that...seriously. They need to grow the **** up.

Theres a group of football hooligans round newcastle called the gremlins...and whenever newcastle is playing, you can gurantee trouble everywhere, wether they win or lose. Once newcastle lost and they went round smashing all the bars up(probably happened more, but only the once that I actually know of). Seriously...wtf is the point :rolleyes:

Of course it doesnt work like that, but thats the way its supposed to happen, thing is the plod will have decided who to do by the way you and the other girl put yourselves over when being interviewed. At the time I bet she was shaken and you were calm and rational.

Top tip always emphasise how scared you were and reacted out of fear etc. It may not get you off all the time but its the best defence.

People in glass houses honey.

Yeah thats about it actually. I seem to remember laughing about it too D:

I dont exactly think straight in situations like that, especially when drinking. Should have known to put on the 'poor me' act :laugh2:

i think i can solve this problem...
Violence is Okay when yur the good guy protecting GOOD, like a superhero.

and it's Bad when yur the bad guy, only acting in a selfish way.

If yur violence only benefits yourself, then it's wrong.

If yur violence benefits the innocent, then it's good.