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Liberty4eva 16-05-2011 12:39 AM

Are people reluctant to openly dislike Obama because he's black?
 
I think so. Or at least I think people are more reluctant to openly express displeasure with him because they fear being called a racist. He essentially has the same foreign policy as his predecesor yet doesn't get even close to half of the hate Bush got.

Zippy 16-05-2011 01:23 AM

some do openly hate him

but he's still relatively young and fresh to the job. Plus he's not a republican and they always get openly hated regardless of colour. But to answer your question, no they can easily find other reasons to hate on him without actually referring to his colour.

Give it time and he'll be receiving serious hate just like all who've gone before. The honeymoons barely over.

Jordan. 16-05-2011 02:00 AM

Isn't it like this with anyone who isn't white these day. :shrug:

joeysteele 16-05-2011 08:50 AM

No, usually Democrat Presidents seem to get less hated than Republican ones but he has been dipping heavy in the polls the last year,however his cool response to the Libyan affair has boosted his ratings.

Glenn. 16-05-2011 09:03 AM

I would say Al Qaeda openly dislike him.

Crimson Dynamo 16-05-2011 09:42 AM

He speaks well, he seems a nice guy, i like him. He could do with a name change to Bob Steel but apart from that.

His colour? - meh

Niamh. 16-05-2011 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 4244984)
He speaks well, he seems a nice guy, i like him. He could do with a name change to Bob Steel but apart from that.

His colour? - meh

Yeah, these were two very important things that his predecessor lacked.

joeysteele 16-05-2011 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4245002)
Yeah, these were two very important things that his predecessor lacked.

Very much so, he got so mixed up on many important speeches and issues.

Niamh. 16-05-2011 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 4245005)
Very much so, he got so mixed up on many important speeches and issues.

Yeah, I think being a good speaker is hugely important in the leader of any country to instil a bit of confidence in the people. We had a similar issue with our last Taoiseach(PM), he sounded drunk everytime he spoke, which doesn't come across well when the country is going through such bad times :/

joeysteele 16-05-2011 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4245007)
Yeah, I think being a good speaker is hugely important in the leader of any country to instil a bit of confidence in the people. We had a similar issue with our last Taoiseach(PM), he sounded drunk everytime he spoke, which doesn't come across well when the country is going through such bad times :/

I always recall a speech Bush was making that went something like this,he said, terrorists will never stop looking for ways to attack America and neither will we.

I just thought then, crumbs and this man holds the power of nuclear weapons.

Niamh. 16-05-2011 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 4245012)
I always recall a speech Bush was making that went something like this,he said, terrorists will never stop looking for ways to attack America and neither will we.

I just thought then, crumbs and this man holds the power of nuclear weapons.

:laugh2: I remember that!

InOne 16-05-2011 11:58 AM

I think a lot of Black people dislike him. He's done nothing to help to hoods and ghettos of America, I think that is what some were expecting

Crimson Dynamo 16-05-2011 12:12 PM

I dont think he is black anyway, its just bad lighting

Jords 16-05-2011 12:16 PM

The chances are some people will be, but I dont see why it matters..

From what Ive heard, seems a pretty cool bloke!

InOne 16-05-2011 12:18 PM

He is also technically just as white as he is black

Crimson Dynamo 16-05-2011 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4245230)
He is also technically just as white as he is black

`It never works that way though. I person can have a whole side of the family that is 100% white but they will always be black

Angus 16-05-2011 12:57 PM

Why do people keep calling him black?:confused: He has a white mother and a black father, that makes him mixed race. If anything, he is more representative of the general population than either a wholly black or wholly white President, don't you think?

If people don't like him, I can think of any number of reasons why that might be, all of them totally unrelated to his racial background. For one thing, he's a Democrat, what's not to hate?

Jords 16-05-2011 12:59 PM

Its because he 'looks' more black and white...

Id actually say he was brown but its not really a term used lol

cub 16-05-2011 01:41 PM

For a lot of racist-minded people any hint of race other than white in your make-up makes you black.

CharlieO 16-05-2011 01:47 PM

Hate when people do stuff like this. Political correctness gone mad.

Like I cant do an indian accent mentioning nothing like curry or anything racist without being called racist. But no one would care if I did an australian accent. Its racism saying i cant do what I like just because im white.

This happened in BB8 as well, emily got kicked out for saying a word Charley and Nicky said in the exact same context and wasnt meant in a racist way at all but Charley and Nicky didn't even get a slap because they are black and allowed to say a word but a white person isnt. Its racism saying emily couldn't say it but it was fine for Charley and Nicky to just because they were black.

Rant over.

Niamh. 16-05-2011 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne (Post 4245375)
Hate when people do stuff like this. Political correctness gone mad.

Like I cant do an indian accent mentioning nothing like curry or anything racist without being called racist. But no one would care if I did an australian accent. Its racism saying i cant do what I like just because im white.

This happened in BB8 as well, emily got kicked out for saying a word Charley and Nicky said in the exact same context and wasnt meant in a racist way at all but Charley and Nicky didn't even get a slap because they are black and allowed to say a word but a white person isnt. Its racism saying emily couldn't say it but it was fine for Charley and Nicky to just because they were black.

Rant over.

Yeah, absolutely agree with that. The Emily thing was clearly a reaction to the whole Shilpa incident though

Crimson Dynamo 16-05-2011 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne (Post 4245375)
Hate when people do stuff like this. Political correctness gone mad.

Like I cant do an indian accent mentioning nothing like curry or anything racist without being called racist. But no one would care if I did an australian accent. Its racism saying i cant do what I like just because im white.

This happened in BB8 as well, emily got kicked out for saying a word Charley and Nicky said in the exact same context and wasnt meant in a racist way at all but Charley and Nicky didn't even get a slap because they are black and allowed to say a word but a white person isnt. Its racism saying emily couldn't say it but it was fine for Charley and Nicky to just because they were black.

Rant over.

How many times do we have to go through this:conf:

Indians are persecuted for their race and belittling them by imitation is one way. Australians are not so imitating them is no problem

It is to do with prejudice. A black person saying the n word is not the same as a white person. If you dont know why that is then you should not be in this thread.

CharlieO 16-05-2011 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 4245395)
How many times do we have to go through this:conf:

Indians are persecuted for their race and belittling them by imitation is one way. Australians are not so imitating them is no problem

It is to do with prejudice. A black person saying the n word is not the same as a white person. If you dont know why that is then you should not be in this thread.

Im quater indian myself so back off. Sorry indians in school in the uk maybe but so are so many people for no reasons so that makes no difference. There is like a billion people in india not belittled racially in anyway. But just to do an accent because i can, and in a serious way not in a baiting way at all is not racism.

And i understand the history of the n word but i am not forcing black people to be my slaves and i have nothing against any race in anyway so actually it is racist to not allow a white person to say a word in the dictionary because of mistakes others have made in the past. If emily had used it in an offensive way then id understand but she didn't. I agree it shouldn't be said at all but a modern day white person should not be persecuted for saying it when a black person isnt.

arista 16-05-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Liberty4eva (Post 4244720)
I think so. Or at least I think people are more reluctant to openly express displeasure with him because they fear being called a racist. He essentially has the same foreign policy as his predecesor yet doesn't get even close to half of the hate Bush got.


Yes some parts of America are Anti -Black..
But Barack got into power by making bold claims.


Top Guitarist Santana
said on CNN
why is he still not bringing our troops home?
And now Barack talks like Bush did
short sentances.


Will he be Killed in London next week - thats the Question?

MTVN 16-05-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4245182)
I think a lot of Black people dislike him. He's done nothing to help to hoods and ghettos of America, I think that is what some were expecting

Yeah that's true, the two people who he promised to help most and got him elected, black people and young people, havent had their situation improved at all

And in answer to the question I do think people are reluctant to dislike him yeah. It's true that Bush did all those tax breaks for the rich which he isnt popular for him but most people hated Bush for his foreign policy, and Obama seems no better in that regard; the killing of Bin Laden and the aftermath proved that.

Angus 16-05-2011 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cub (Post 4245367)
For a lot of racist-minded people any hint of race other than white in your make-up makes you black.

Well it's pretty racist against white people to downplay or downright ignore Obama's white heritage isn't it?

BB_Eye 16-05-2011 05:36 PM

I'm reluctant to dislike him, because he has done a reasonable job reversing the failures of the Bush Administration (just in case anybody forgets which government's policies caused the global financial crisis). Predictably, my main gripe with him turned out to be his reforms, which were not radical enough to kickstart the economy again.

letmein 18-05-2011 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 4244947)
No, usually Democrat Presidents seem to get less hated than Republican ones but he has been dipping heavy in the polls the last year,however his cool response to the Libyan affair has boosted his ratings.

His approval rating is 60%.

letmein 18-05-2011 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 4245290)
Why do people keep calling him black?:confused: He has a white mother and a black father, that makes him mixed race. If anything, he is more representative of the general population than either a wholly black or wholly white President, don't you think?

If people don't like him, I can think of any number of reasons why that might be, all of them totally unrelated to his racial background. For one thing, he's a Democrat, what's not to hate?

Uh, Democrat is an asset, hon. :xyxwave:

letmein 18-05-2011 11:12 PM

I was waiting for the first person to use the term "PC" or "Political Correctness". ENOUGH PLAYING THE 'PC' CARD ALREADY! Yeesh! People who use the term 'PC' are almost always bigoted. It's a get out of jail free card response. Most don't even know what it means.

Obama's race only matters to Republicans. They can't shut up about it.

letmein 18-05-2011 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4245607)
Yeah that's true, the two people who he promised to help most and got him elected, black people and young people, havent had their situation improved at all

And in answer to the question I do think people are reluctant to dislike him yeah. It's true that Bush did all those tax breaks for the rich which he isnt popular for him but most people hated Bush for his foreign policy, and Obama seems no better in that regard; the killing of Bin Laden and the aftermath proved that.

Americans were overjoyed at the news that bin Laden was dead. I don't know what you were hearing/reading/watching.

MTVN 18-05-2011 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by letmein (Post 4250892)
Americans were overjoyed at the news that bin Laden was dead. I don't know what you were hearing/reading/watching.

I'm sure they were, I was just expressing my view that Bush and Obama have a fair bit in common with regards to foreign policy, the Bin Laden killing being one example of this; both like to show a disregard for international law and due process it seems

BBfanUSA 19-05-2011 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4250965)
I'm sure they were, I was just expressing my view that Bush and Obama have a fair bit in common with regards to foreign policy, the Bin Laden killing being one example of this; both like to show a disregard for international law and due process it seems

IMO personal opinion we had a right to kill him becasue he was one of the masterminds behind the death of a thousand or so americans and foriegners, and there's proof that they were going to attack again

Benjamin 19-05-2011 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cub (Post 4245367)
For a lot of racist-minded people any hint of race other than white in your make-up makes you black.

Would that make me black then as have some Arabic blood in me?

GiRTh 19-05-2011 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 4245806)
Well it's pretty racist against white people to downplay or downright ignore Obama's white heritage isn't it?

Under the rules of segregation in America in the fifties and apartheid in South Africa they used to put up signs saying 'Whites' and 'non-whites'. There were no other distinctions and certainly non for mixed race people . Under those rules the only thing that mattered was if you were fully white. It may well be racist to downplay Obama white background but that how it used to be. Back in the day no one cared how non-white he was they just cared that he was not white.

Regarding his popularity, I thought his approval rating had shot up after he had Bin Laden killed? I think he is quite popular across the board particularly when compared to all the Republican jokers who are likely to run againt him next year.

joeysteele 19-05-2011 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by letmein (Post 4250864)
His approval rating is 60%.

He is doing okay then now,guess he'd like it to be a bit more though.

ElProximo 19-05-2011 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 4251449)
Under the rules of segregation in America in the fifties and apartheid in South Africa they used to put up signs saying 'Whites' and 'non-whites'. There were no other distinctions and certainly non for mixed race people .

Very few places in the USA had signs saying 'Whites' and 'Non-Whites'.

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Under those rules the only thing that mattered was if you were fully white. It may well be racist to downplay Obama white background but that how it used to be. Back in the day no one cared how non-white he was they just cared that he was not white.
That is definitely not the case if you listen to Americans (black or white) who are old enough to remember there were tremendous distinctions made between 'light-skinned blacks' and then dark-skinned blacks. In some parts of the USA there were serious cultural divides. You can even read of the 'paper bag' tests at various clubs and bars where one had to be no darker than a paper bag.

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Regarding his popularity, I thought his approval rating had shot up after he had Bin Laden killed? I think he is quite popular across the board particularly when compared to all the Republican jokers who are likely to run againt him next year.
He had a boost with Bin Laden but then again people (rightly or wrongly) also seem to associate the original mission and even the military men as a 'Bush' cause. Not that it hurt Obama either.

But he is not popular across the board. He has low approval ratings and I'm not sure why you are saying 'compared to the Republican jokers' because they may not have a 'Messiah' prepared and preordained like Obama was by Democrats,
but,
they have strong players like Herman Cain and Santorum though Christie could be a real big (no pun intended) big deal IF he did run.

I'd say this.. IF (and we have to see how they develop yet) but IF you got a Cain-Christie run against Obama?
Are you REALLY sure Obama would be safe? I'd suggest Cain sends Obama home like a Principal expelling a bad student.

GiRTh 19-05-2011 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ElProximo (Post 4251461)
Very few places in the USA had signs saying 'Whites' and 'Non-Whites'.

In America they preferred the term 'coloured'.



Quote:

That is definitely not the case if you listen to Americans (black or white) who are old enough to remember there were tremendous distinctions made between 'light-skinned blacks' and then dark-skinned blacks. In some parts of the USA there were serious cultural divides. You can even read of the 'paper bag' tests at various clubs and bars where one had to be no darker than a paper bag.
What you're referring to here is a mean by which black people discriminated against them self. I agree there is a distinction made within the community but not under law. The law was very clear.



Quote:

He had a boost with Bin Laden but then again people (rightly or wrongly) also seem to associate the original mission and even the military men as a 'Bush' cause. Not that it hurt Obama either.

But he is not popular across the board. He has low approval ratings and I'm not sure why you are saying 'compared to the Republican jokers' because they may not have a 'Messiah' prepared and preordained like Obama was by Democrats,
but,
they have strong players like Herman Cain and Santorum though Christie could be a real big (no pun intended) big deal IF he did run.

I'd say this.. IF (and we have to see how they develop yet) but IF you got a Cain-Christie run against Obama?
Are you REALLY sure Obama would be safe? I'd suggest Cain sends Obama home like a Principal expelling a bad student.
Herman Cain? No chance. There's no way the King makers in the media, GOP and the tea party will get behind Cain. He'd make a great President but the people he needs to vote for him will probably never vote for him, for obvious reasons. Mitt Romney is now the front runner with Huckerbee's surprise pull out. Romney is too far in bed with big business to appeal to the people who he needs to vote for him . Not only the GOP not have a pre-ordained candidate they also dont have anyone who is likely to appeal to enough of the country to win. If the GOP dont get their act together and move more toward the center I can see a democrat in the white house for at least the next decade.

MTVN 19-05-2011 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by big brother usa fan (Post 4251062)
IMO personal opinion we had a right to kill him becasue he was one of the masterminds behind the death of a thousand or so americans and foriegners, and there's proof that they were going to attack again

Ok put it this way; an Iraqi team of commandos helicopter into the USA without word, land at George Bush's house and assassinate him then dump his body in the sea. Dont think it would go down to well and Bush is responsible for far more deaths than Bin Laden.

I mean, I'm not exactly losing sleep over it but the fact is it was an unnecessary execution in cold blood. It is incredibly hypocritical for Obama to preach to other countries not to violate international law when he has so blatantly done that here.

BBfanUSA 19-05-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4251716)
Ok put it this way; an Iraqi team of commandos helicopter into the USA without word, land at George Bush's house and assassinate him then dump his body in the sea. Dont think it would go down to well and Bush is responsible for far more deaths than Bin Laden.

I mean, I'm not exactly losing sleep over it but the fact is it was an unnecessary execution in cold blood. It is incredibly hypocritical for Obama to preach to other countries not to violate international law when he has so blatantly done that here.

you have a point


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