Silly Dutch Christian Conservatives to try to close Cannabis cafes to tourists.
 

UPDATE : People are telling me now it still has to go through government and is unlikely to ever get enough support to pass - and if it did it would take years. So who ****ing knows. The reports make it sound official though.

I may have rang a false alarm.

Cali > anyway. And Vancouver.


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It's been discussed for years but looks like it's official now :

http://wireupdate.com/wires/17731/ne...s-to-tourists/

That's it. Move backwards. Good Christian Democratic party!

:(

Good god :bored: I've passed chances to go before as well -hits self-

From when?

My mate has already booked his plane and hotel for August :joker:

Big drop in tourists over there then

They haven't said yet but I would assume it would take a good few months before the bill is acted upon.

California's the place to be now anyway. Still this is all sorts of retarded. Pot is hardly the problem drug with 'drug tourism'. How is slouching in a seat in some coffee shop and practically acting as a mint for the Dutch government to print money a bad thing?

As for the border violence they would never have had the trouble had they the balls to fully regulate the supply of Cannabis instead of having this 'lalala it's not happening so we won't arrest you!' policy of tolerance.

The production of it is still illegal so the coffee shops have to source it from cladestine growers who in an uncontrolled market are - gasp - criminals who are willing to kill each other for profit.

No wai!

Slecht nieuws, man ..... :(

well thats aload of horse****

People are telling me now it still has to go through government and is unlikely to ever get enough support to pass - and if it did it would take years. So who ****ing knows. The reports make it sound official though.

I may have rang a false alarm.

Cali > anyway. And Vancouver.

ive been hearing all those reports for years now so ill believe it when i see it

It would only leave one thing worth going over to the 'Dam for.

























The Anne Frank museum, yo!

I just told my Aunt and she's now in a really...really...really bad mood.

:laugh:
I imagine if does get passed - it wont stay too long, they'll realize how empty the country is in terms of tourism and will go back on this by about 2012..maybe 2013.

We'll have to make a TiBB trip over before it happens

**** that jazz. Just come to mine in eight weeks.

http://files.myopera.com/ThomasJense....jpg_thumb.jpg

:joker: sounds like a plan

-shouts down the phone- FIRST CLASS TO CORK, NOT COCK

I hate that country a little bit less today. At least that is some progress. Now if they can just do something about the *****s and Turkish pimps. Oh and the prick attitude.
However,
this is a forward step.

Dbl post. carry on.

-sits back and watches the sparks fly-

HELLO SAILOR!

The Turkish. Great bunch of lads.

I don't do any drugs but I think this is a bad idea as it is good for the economy and also attracts visitors to the city. I think laws should be a tiny bit relaxed sometimes.

harry knows his **** :worship:

And that's some good ****.

Also Dutch kids are far less likely to try hard drugs as a result of them having easy access to soft drugs. Something like one in a thousand Dutch kids will try Heroin versus one in sixty here in Ireland.

And drug overdoses per capita in the USA is something like 38 million per annum verses 1.2 in The Netherlands.

^^ Same kinda system in Greece. No legal drinking limit. Barely any young Greek people drink and when they do it isn't very much. A lot more fancy coffees are sold in the fancy nightclubs in Athens, Thessaloniki and Heraklion than alcohol. Although this could be a slight blow for the economy in the Netherlands, there isn't going to be any major collapse in tourism. Plenty more to see and do there. If anything there will be a lot less of our chavs hanging about in Amsterdam = SUCCESS. I doubt the law will be passed though. It would b a pity if it was. The Netherlands is iconic for its coffee shops.

It would see a huge drop in tourists. I know it's still a fantastic city, really awesome, but without the coffee shops it looses it's one big appeal and has to compete with other cities like Prague, Dublin, Berlin etc as being really overpriced tourist hotspots.

Whatever happens in Dutchland the rest of the world is moving the other way anyway. The Netherlands is only famous because of the coffee shops. The laws in places like Spain, Portugal and the Czech Republic are far more liberal. It's actually properly decriminalized in those countries.

Every drug is decriminalized for personal posession in the Czech Republic, right down to the amounts. It's actually written into the law that you can carry up to five individual sheets of acid. Crazy stuff.

I doubt the numbers are anywhere NEAR those. I really do. What I know is that they routinely pull dead heroin addicts out of the parks around Amsterdam (oh the tourists don't know about that?),
and,
I don't know I have ever seen a disgusting drug hole full of death and suffering and dirty humiliation as one can see (from an office window) in downtown Vancouver.
Where weed is virtually legalized and easy to access cheaply.

But hey.. the Dutch need to do something. That place is swarming with dirty freeloading hippies doing nothing but be bums and piss on the world in their passive-aggressive ways.
Swarming!

-Mortality from drug related deaths in Europe [The Netherlands is amongst the lowest].
http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/stats07/drdtab05a

-Heroin assisted treatment results [Addicts are weaned off the streets and the number of those dependent on Heroin has dropped 30% since 1983].
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219559/

Not that I'm doubting you're fond ability for arguing with logic and statistics but these numbers don't lie. The Netherlands have less heroin addicts and less overdoses than the USA, and probably the likes of Canada and Ireland. Not only has their Cannabis policy been highly effective in pacifying their youth with amongst the lowest useage rates in Europe but the safe access to Heroin has been lauded by other member states and copied. And lord knows how much good that taxed dope has done for the country.

If you look anywhere you will find Heroin addicts injecting themselves in poverty. We have an area for that here in Cork just like you do in Vancouver. Just like they do in Amsterdam in certain concentrated areas. I'm well aware of the problems specifically in Downtown Eastside in Vancouver and to blame that on a liberal dope policy is absurd and without merit. Those people didn't decide to become hooked on Crack because you can get pot easily.

Have you ever actually been to Amsterdam? It's beautiful. Certain parks are dodgy which you can avoid. The Red Light district is a hotbed of all the things that probably make your winkie shrivel up in regret. But by and large it's a fantastic city and if you think it's a picture of depravity you must not have made it far beyond central station.

If you want to see one of the most potent arguments in favour of the relaxing of archaic drug laws then Google yourself 'drug decriminalization in Portugal' though. Spend a few hours having fun and getting educated.

Dirty freeloading hippies.

They'd take a huge hit in their Tourism industry if they ban it

Keep in mind we are now talking about death. Some say death of heroin addicts is solving the problems.
I have a big problem with someone's daughter putting dirty cocks in her mouth so she can lay in a stupor in a piss-smelling alley.
But she isn't DYING from overdoses and so we have a success? Some would argue the pain and horrors are extended.

However, I have a problem with this 2005 survey right away. Netherlands 'among the lowest'. For death. People dying of overdoses.
Which might tell me they are very good at containing hardcore junkies and swiftly getting them to Emergency.
Which is what I did observe in Amsterdam. Authorities have very strict and well-organized expertise in containing junkies.
Goofy tourists who giggle about how a policeman SAW THEM smoking weed and let them go?
What the goofy tourist doesn't know is that the police are deliberately patrolling a perimeter meant to keep you (the goofy weed tourist) FROM entering a danger zone.
Behind that zone is where junkies are doing **** you don't need to know about. Also they would rob you blind.
Each morning a crew in 'hazmat' suits and long sticks arrives in the parks and pokes the bushes.
The dead junkies are obviously dead but any still alive are rushed to hospital.

So yes I do believe that stats reflect what I know about the place. They keep more junkies alive than most anywhere else.

It also tells me there is a massive police presence (which costs tax-payers) and my experience is just that.


But here is the other problem - a helluva lot of hard working Dutch people have to work harder, more days, more hours at their difficult jobs to keep maintaining that excellent ability to keep junkies from dying. So they can be junkies for another year (or until the next time they overdose)
There are lies, damnable lies and then statistics.

It's interesting that they always want to use the USA as an example where certain inner-city neighbourhoods will skew a very high number.
I'd suggest that Vancouver has the highest number of heroin addicts and overdoses than any other place in Canada per capita. I've seen more in Toronto but its also a much bigger city.

I don't know what kind of gimmick statistics are being used to inform this idea that something is pacifying youth to low usage rates. Amsterdam is swarming with stoned youth. I might guess your discounting foreigners or using averages where farmlands and smaller cities are lowering numbers in easy-access areas?

Safe access to heroin is NOT 'lauded' by other EU nations and there has been NON-STOP **** over this situation for many many decades. It's been a major piss-off problem in the EU for a long time and causes all kinds of problems at the borders (drug smuggling etc)

and no, weed does NOT produce tax-revenue good. It costs the Dutch plenty to administer and then the massive police presence in the weed shop areas.
For some reason pro-drug people think weed is a great way to give the government lots of money. it doesn't.
Everyone who starts doing crack or heroin becomes poor. Then they get to hand out in the many charities, food banks, homeless shelters which allows them to steal and rob and scam and ***** full-time to earn enough for more drugs.
They all started doing weed. They loved getting high. then started doing more intense drugs.

Yes. Twice. 2 times too many.
It's a ****hole. It is swarming with dirty panhandling hippies, druggies, criminals, *****s, users, scam artists. Not so many where Muslims run neighbourhoods but then there you get the honour-killings.
The only nice places are when you get as far away from the cannibas cafes and heroin-treatment centres.
Ya there is nothing like drug decriminalization websites online. They seem to be written by the same kind who make '911 Truther' websites and have mastered the pick-n-choose.
IF they can find some statistics to play with in Portugal they demand this become 'THE FACT' (as they interpret it),
yet,
will never so much as mention opium was, for all intents and purposes, made 'legal' in China and there was nothing short of a national tragedy devastating that country as millions became dying zombies.
Then,
When ALL drugs were banned and opium fiends executed the problem ends. That's why you can get shot for selling marijuana in China and why I don't have to put up with pot-heads, crackheads or any junkies anywhere in China.
They don't mention weed is zero-tolerance illegal in Japan and they have very few junkies.
They ignore a dozen examples where 'therapy' methods did nothing and crime, blackmarket, overdoses just carry on or increase.

Am I the only one who finds ElProximo's posting style incredibly annoying?

All that text makes me dizzy

And that's me finished with you. You will no doubt find a way to continually subvert and distort whatever facts and figures I present to you which makes arguing with you a fucking fruitless endeavour. As we all well know you are completely incompatible with reality, completely incompatible with logic, and quite possibly just a small bit mad.

Any attempt I make at providing a coherent argument would no doubt be knocked down by a tower of text designed to exhibit a powerful display of knowledge but that in reality just boils down to the same anger, resentment and cliched points made again and again and again and again and again. I'm not going to continue debate about drugs of all things with someone who believes Satan is real, is here and is torturing God's children. Fuck that for a game of toy soldiers.

Hugs and kisses.

stu :lovedup:

This is quite a great opinion. It's funny but I never see any really good figures on the tax revenue made from marijuana sales.


Nothing but opinions and assertions from you.

You never built one. You just made opinions, assertions, misinterpretations of facts and 'conclusions' that were not called for.

Meanwhile, I live in the real world and dealt with drugs my entire life and have the misfortune of being stuck in that **** city full of drug addicts and wasteful hippies and muslims doing nothing but turn the original culture (nearly gone now) into a piss tank.

I can tell you this - getting rid of those old laws and progressing this way MIGHT actually make me consider visiting that ****hole again one day. At least they are on the right track.
Forward.