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daniel-lewis-1985 03-07-2011 03:15 PM

Seeing as Big Brother is broadcast post watershed...
 
...And the use of bad language is often seen in the show to which im sure will carry on in BB12. Do you think that it is justified to get reprimanded for using bad language on a forum that relates directly to talking about that show?

Discuss...

DigitalSid 03-07-2011 03:19 PM

I thought swearing here was censored?

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4349393)
...And the use of bad language is often seen in the show to which im sure will carry on in BB12. Do you think that it is justified to get reprimanded for using bad language on a forum that relates directly to talking about that show?

Discuss...

Surely that depends on the rules of the forum in which the subject is being discussed.

daniel-lewis-1985 03-07-2011 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4349395)
Surely that depends on the rules of the forum in which the subject is being discussed.

Obviously its related to the rules of the forum but im asking for your personal opinion

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4349397)
Obviously its related to the rules of the forum but im asking for your personal opinion


I believe I gave my personal opinion in my first reply.

In fact, I'd say my personal opinion was incredibly clear in my first post on this thread. Very clear.

DigitalSid 03-07-2011 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4349397)
Obviously its related to the rules of the forum but im asking for your personal opinion

f they turn off censoring, it will just make arguments here more nasty.

Plus not all members here are adults and not everyone joined for BB, X Factor is pre-watershed.

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DigitalSid (Post 4349401)
If they turn off censoring, it will just make arguments here more nasty.

Plus not all members here are adults and not everyone joined for BB, X Factor is pre-watershed.

Pretty accurate summary there DigitalSid. I don't think anyone minds the odd slip up here and there, regarldess, Rules are rules. They make them, we follow them.

_Seth 03-07-2011 03:43 PM

Only the F and C words should be censored here. The rest are very tame. =/

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Phlip (Post 4349417)
Only the F and C words should be censored here. The rest are very tame. =/

I think that's a very reasonable suggestion in all honesty. Perhaps the Wh*** word as well though.

It's pretty offensive too.

BigBroSite 03-07-2011 03:55 PM

I personally think the Internet shouldn't be censored. If you don't like a certain word, Tough. Deal with it.

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBroSite (Post 4349435)
I personally think the Internet shouldn't be censored. If you don't like a certain word, Tough. Deal with it.

Really??? You don't think very young, impressionable children have a moral right to be protected to some degree? Surely that gives rise to all sorts of things ..... and I don't mean just cursing.

BigBroSite 03-07-2011 04:19 PM

Young children shouldn't be on the internet un-supervised. ;)

Parents should take the responsibility.

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBroSite (Post 4349458)
Young children shouldn't be on the internet un-supervised. ;)

Parents should take the responsibility.

Unfortunately: in the world that we now live in... whilst I completely agree that parents should: parents aren't with their children 24/7 - and it would be unhealthy for them be so.

I get what you are saying, totally. but in reality, that doesn't work. Unfortunately.

daniel-lewis-1985 03-07-2011 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4349438)
Really??? You don't think very young, impressionable children have a moral right to be protected to some degree? Surely that gives rise to all sorts of things ..... and I don't mean just cursing.

Big Brother is not for young children though?

If they shouldnt be subject to bad language and explicit material then they should not be watching the show.

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4349468)
Big Brother is not for young children though?

If they shouldnt be subject to bad language and explicit material then they should not be watching the show.

This particular site is predominately for Big Brother fans - hence it's name This Is Big Brother. It's age limit is 13. What the show may be marketed towards, and the age of fans it actually attracts in reality are two entirely different things.

That is where censorship has to be applied. Some decency has to be factored in, and Tibbs has taken a responsible role to have such a rule in place, given the low age of members that are allowed to register and join. I'd have thought that was pretty obvious tbh.

DigitalSid 03-07-2011 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4349468)
Big Brother is not for young children though?

If they shouldnt be subject to bad language and explicit material then they should not be watching the show.

Who said they are?

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DigitalSid (Post 4349487)
Who said they are?

Very astute DigitialSid, very astute and excellent point.

They don't have to be watching it on TV. There are numerous places they can catch up, or even discuss in great detail - tabloids, magazine, you tube, etc, etc.

_Seth 03-07-2011 04:36 PM

We all have to consider the potential that a 13 year old fan could be watching the censored midday version of the show, and then come here to discuss.

But yeah, only F and C should be censored. Or maybe there could be an option for those who want a swear filter and those who don't.

Vicky. 03-07-2011 04:47 PM

The site has a main focus on BB. But not everyone joins to talk about BB.

I will say that personally(I think my opinion on this is pretty common knowledge :p ), I dont think there should be a filter. However, I can see why there is one.

Its all well and good saying parents should supervise their kids 24/7, but in reality, its not quite that easy is it :/

And I would be so pissed if I had kids who had joined a forum to talk about..say the x factor...and ended up learning words such as ****** from it.

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4349498)
The site has a main focus on BB. But not everyone joins to talk about BB.

I will say that personally(I think my opinion on this is pretty common knowledge :p ), I dont think there should be a filter. However, I can see why there is one.

Its all well and good saying parents should supervise their kids 24/7, but in reality, its not quite that easy is it :/

And I would be so pissed if I had kids who had joined a forum to talk about..say the x factor...and ended up learning words such as ****** from it.


And therein lies the truth.:blush:

arista 03-07-2011 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4349393)
...And the use of bad language is often seen in the show to which im sure will carry on in BB12. Do you think that it is justified to get reprimanded for using bad language on a forum that relates directly to talking about that show?

Discuss...



You can Use Feck.



A Good Mod will help you
on this

Smithy 03-07-2011 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4349498)
The site has a main focus on BB. But not everyone joins to talk about BB.

I will say that personally(I think my opinion on this is pretty common knowledge :p ), I dont think there should be a filter. However, I can see why there is one.

Its all well and good saying parents should supervise their kids 24/7, but in reality, its not quite that easy is it :/

And I would be so pissed if I had kids who had joined a forum to talk about..say the x factor...and ended up learning words such as ****** from it
.

With the age limit being 13 to join though, you're hearing those words already at school

Vicky. 03-07-2011 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 4349528)
With the age limit being 13 to join though, you're hearing those words already at school

Possibly. In fact most likely.

However, they might not have...maybe the kid is homeschooled, or in a really posh school or whatever

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 4349528)
With the age limit being 13 to join though, you're hearing those words already at school

It doesn't mean that it should be readily accepted though. That's the difference.

Smithy 03-07-2011 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4349531)
Possibly. In fact most likely.

However, they might not have...maybe the kid is homeschooled, or in a really posh school or whatever

Even in a really posh school, they still swear :tongue:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4349532)
It doesn't mean that it should be readily accepted though. That's the difference.

of course not.

I think it should optional to have a swear filter, but the default option is to have it on, therefore if someone is young they only way they're gonna see anything is if they themselves choose too

Vicky. 03-07-2011 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 4349538)

I think it should optional to have a swear filter, but the default option is to have it on, therefore if someone is young they only way they're gonna see anything is if they themselves choose too

I have asked that before, apparently the filter is applied when the post is actually posted rather than when its being read or something, so it wouldnt be possible to have an optional filter

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 4349538)
Even in a really posh school, they still swear :tongue:


of course not.

I think it should optional to have a swear filter, but the default option is to have it on, therefore if someone is young they only way they're gonna see anything is if they themselves choose too

An underager simply should not have that choice, that choice should be made for them. I'd be appalled to hear youngsters using that language as part of their everyday conversation in the home: and parents who allow that to happen, allow their children to use such language as part of conversation, are nothing but chavvy scum and very poor parents, in my opinion.

Why on earth should it be acceptable during everyday conversation on a forum?

Jords 03-07-2011 05:19 PM

There have been occasions where the show has started at 8.

Theres no need for it online really, now and then yeah but going around saying it for the sake of it is a bit gay (or to use it for insults ;))

joeysteele 03-07-2011 05:20 PM

I don't see the need for swearing anyway,anywhere.(I know I am well in the minority though).

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jords (Post 4349552)
There have been occasions where the show has started at 8.

Theres no need for it online really, now and then yeah but going around saying it for the sake of it is a bit gay (or to use it for insults ;))

Or to be seen as, 'tough / big/ adult', which I think it may be so in a great many cases.

Or...perhaps their vocabulary is so limited they don't know any other adjectives .... ;)

Vicky. 03-07-2011 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James (Post 4254881)
Optional filter isn't possible (easily anyway) because the filter is applied before the post is stored, not when the post is viewed.

Would take a LOT of messing around with the sites coding. And its just not worth it for the sake of a few members wanting to swear :/

(Found it eventually)

daniel-lewis-1985 03-07-2011 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DigitalSid (Post 4349487)
Who said they are?

Erm the fact there are members on here who are about 12 obviously proves that they are watching an ADULT show :rolleyes:

daniel-lewis-1985 03-07-2011 05:33 PM

I just think in order for you to join you shold have to enter your date of birth and anyone under 16's feed will automatically blovk out explicit words. Personally i love swearing and think it adds to an opinion.

Vicky. 03-07-2011 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4349572)
I just think in order for you to join you shold have to enter your date of birth and anyone under 16's feed will automatically blovk out explicit words. Personally i love swearing and think it adds to an opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by James (Post 4254881)
Optional filter isn't possible (easily anyway) because the filter is applied before the post is stored, not when the post is viewed.

.

DigitalSid 03-07-2011 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4349569)
Erm the fact there are members on here who are about 12 obviously proves that they are watching an ADULT show :rolleyes:

No it doesn't. They could be here to discuss X Factor etcetera.

DigitalSid 03-07-2011 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBroSite (Post 4349458)
Young children shouldn't be on the internet un-supervised. ;)

Parents should take the responsibility.

They shouldn't, but they are.

Vicky. 03-07-2011 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4349569)
Erm the fact there are members on here who are about 12 obviously proves that they are watching an ADULT show :rolleyes:

Just because someone is a member of a forum that is mainly for bB, it doesnt mean they watch the show itself.

People use this to talk about BGT, XF, etc too...not just BB

Pyramid* 03-07-2011 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 4349569)
Erm the fact there are members on here who are about 12 obviously proves that they are watching an ADULT show :rolleyes:

A child does not have to watch an adult show to prove what age they are on here. Tibbs has various sections: that do not related in any way to BB if you are classing BB as an adult show. Sports, music, soaps, general discussion, chats, games, they are all part of this forum and not adult sedtions.

They could be gleaning the information about BB if you are referring to that specifically, from the site, from newspapers, from magazines, from their friends.

If they are doing that, and swearing is given free rein on Tibbs for example: and they are not surrounded by that in their normal lives outside of the forum: where do you expect them therefore to pick up the bad language......from the forum.

It really is not that hard to figure out surely?

georgehudson 03-07-2011 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4349400)
I believe I gave my personal opinion in my first reply.

In fact, I'd say my personal opinion was incredibly clear in my first post on this thread. Very clear.

Your a lairy one arn't you. :xyxwave:

Shaun 03-07-2011 05:42 PM

I think finding swear words offensive is pretty arbitrary. After all it's easy to offend someone without using them (fat cow, ugly mess, etc.) so I find the censorship a little bit pointless. If anything you're giving them a heightened sense of ill-meaning by making them omg~illegal~.

This is of course ignoring the most common use of swear words - frustration, anger or emphasis - rather than the sole use of insults. I'm all for the likes of "I think Shaun is a massive dickhead" being infracted (:p) but saying something along the lines of "I ****ing hate cricket" isn't offending anyone other than busybodies. I mean who can honestly say, hand-on-heart, on here, a Big Brother forum, that they're offended by the F word? You can say it's unnecessary (but then, most words are), but I think people who take offence think they should be offended, or are merely acting upon an already-established dislike of the offending member's profanity.


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