Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 4608945)

She is 20 which means she should be able to cope with a relationship with Aaron better than she has been doing.

Seriously we need to get this creepy bunny boiler out as soon as shes up,and yes even over Anton and Tom as them two will make Aaron more popular unlike Faye who will destroy his popularity.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4608952)

Ive never understood the whole 'oh but they are only 19/20' excuse.

At 18 I was running my own house, had a full time job, and dealt with all of my problems without crying and acting like a child. Granted, I wasnt on TV, but real life is much harder than a tv show

Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 4608945)

She is 20 which means she should be able to cope with a relationship with Aaron better than she has been doing.

Seriously we need to get this creepy bunny boiler out as soon as shes up,and yes even over Anton and Tom as them two will make Aaron more popular unlike Faye who will destroy his popularity.

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4608996)

She is only 20 and none of us have any idea what experience she's had relationship wise. Like Jay says, she's a bit naive in the fact that she doesn't know a lot of stuff relationship wise. You remember the conversations she's had and she always second guesses herself, she always asks the guys how they interpret things and whether they are good things or bad things.

Is she immature. no but she is overly sensitive, especially with alcohol and she is naive when it comes to relationships and the opposite sex. Not everyone who's 20 has had a proper relationship, she is still young after all.

And for those who are saying by the time I was this age I was doing that, it's not what this is about. This is about how she deals with relationships and her emotions, not life. I'm a year older than her and I'm quite mature because of my life experiences as well but not everyone matures at the same rate and who knows what her life experiences have been like.

You guys gotta look at the big picture whether you're for a person or not. Don't be afraid to admit if they're right but don't be afraid to admit if they're wrong as well. She has a lot of faults but who doesn't. She's a twenty year old young woman who's clearly trying to find her way with a few potholes on the path.

Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 4608997)

With Fayes looks I would imagine shes had a few relationships so im not accepting this.

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4608996)

She is only 20 and none of us have any idea what experience she's had relationship wise. Like Jay says, she's a bit naive in the fact that she doesn't know a lot of stuff relationship wise. You remember the conversations she's had and she always second guesses herself, she always asks the guys how they interpret things and whether they are good things or bad things, in terms of how she acts or what they think of her.

Is she immature. no, but she is overly sensitive, as someone pointed out, especially when alcohol comes into play and she is naive when it comes to relationships and the opposite sex. Not everyone who's 20 has had a proper relationship, she is still young after all.

And for those who are saying by the time I was this age I was doing that, it's not what this is about. This is about how she deals with relationships and her emotions, not life as a whole. I'm a year older than her and I'm quite mature because of my life experiences as well but not everyone matures at the same rate and who knows what her life experiences have been like. She may have been fortunate and never had the struggles some of us have had.

You guys gotta look at the big picture whether you're for a person or not. Clearly most aren't afraid to admit it when their person is right but don't be afraid to admit if they're wrong as well. She has a lot of faults but who doesn't. She's a twenty year old young woman who's clearly trying to find her way in life and she's just hitting a few potholes along the path.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4609014)

I'm not making any allowances for her age. If she is inexperienced or over sensitive, I have to wonder what on earth she was thinking, applying for BB in the first place, knowing what the show demands...........Yes, we do all have faults, but then if we are going to put them on display for the nation, we must be prepared to be judged....

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4609021)

You don't HAVE to judge anyone. It's your right to comment on what is being displayed but, at the same time, he who lives in a glass house mustn't throw stones. Shade but no shade.

Apparently she was one of the finalist for last year's big brother as well. Because most of them were selected from some of last year's crop. Who knew what people think. Honestly, I would go on to just to say I've been on Big Brother lol!

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4608996)

She is only 20 and none of us have any idea what experience she's had relationship wise. Like Jay says, she's a bit naive in the fact that she doesn't know a lot of stuff relationship wise. You remember the conversations she's had and she always second guesses herself, she always asks the guys how they interpret things and whether they are good things or bad things, in terms of how she acts or what they think of her.

Is she immature. no, but she is overly sensitive, as someone pointed out, especially when alcohol comes into play and she is naive when it comes to relationships and the opposite sex. Not everyone who's 20 has had a proper relationship, she is still young after all.

And for those who are saying by the time I was this age I was doing that, it's not what this is about. This is about how she deals with relationships and her emotions, not life as a whole. I'm a year older than her and I'm quite mature because of my life experiences as well but not everyone matures at the same rate and who knows what her life experiences have been like. She may have been fortunate and never had the struggles some of us have had.

You guys gotta look at the big picture whether you're for a person or not. Clearly most aren't afraid to admit it when their person is right but don't be afraid to admit if they're wrong as well. She has a lot of faults but who doesn't. She's a twenty year old young woman who's clearly trying to find her way in life and she's just hitting a few potholes along the path.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4609165)

I have no opinions on H.M's when they enter the house, but my eviction votes are based on their characters as I see them, with livefeed in previous years.....that is a judgement in itself. We all like/dislike different things in people, so are going to vote people out for what we personally see as a dislikable trait........If I am ever a H.M, feel free to throw stones my way.........

I am curious which ex H.M you are................did I vote you out..........

Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 4609207)

Mature enough to jump Aaron's bones though eh? One minute a fully consenting adult, the next a spoilt brat. Most people grow out of the childish tantrums and tears for attention by the time they hit puberty. But there's always the exception I guess:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4609021)

You don't HAVE to judge anyone. It's your right to comment on what is being displayed but, at the same time, he who lives in a glass house mustn't throw stones. Shade but no shade.

Apparently she was one of the finalist for last year's big brother as well. Because most of them were selected from some of last year's crop. Who knew what people think. Honestly, I would go on to just to say I've been on Big Brother lol!

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4609448)

Ermm...no, nor did you offend me nor was I trying to be rude. Like I said, shade but no shade.

You can vote on someone based on characteristics you don't like yes but you don't have to judge them per say. For example, I can call someone a bitch but I'm not judging them I'm basing that off of conversations exchanged personally.

I've said things about Rebeckah based on what she does for a living and the things she's said. Same with Faye, Anton & Aaron.

What I'm trying to say here is 'judge' is the wrong term to use. Yes if you don't like the way someone is being presented then you don't vote to save them, that's your right, but that's entirely different from judging someone, especially someone we essentially know very little about.





If you had read my post you can clearly see that I state that she's overly sensitive and emotionally unstable, especially when alcohol is involved. SOME people grow out of childish tantrums by the time they hit puberty, others wait until adulthood and some never do.

I also don't agree with her and Aaron making out, from both sides. I think if they were gonna do it, they should have waited a lot longer than the next day, if not don't do it at all because it's not doing either of them any favours and they BOTH might, have or will wind up looking like idiots.

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4609513)

People use "emotionally unstable" far too often :bored:


She is just a delicate soul :love:

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4609513)

People use "emotionally unstable" far too often :bored:


She is just a delicate soul :love:

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4608952)

Ive never understood the whole 'oh but they are only 19/20' excuse.

At 18 I was running my own house, had a full time job, and dealt with all of my problems without crying and acting like a child. Granted, I wasnt on TV, but real life is much harder than a tv show

Originally Posted by Deanjam (Post 4609533)

Same thing really. Yours is just a nicer way of saying it. :thumbs:

Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4609541)

Not really, people seem to look far too deep into things.

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4609474)

I think it is up to the viewer to decide on whether they judge a person on the show - or not, and how they chose to do so.

Far as I'm aware, these people enter into the goldfish bowl that is the BB house of their own volition, they aren't forced into it, so your 'he who lives in a glass house etc', is completely invalid. 100%.

Housemates know what they are letting themselves in for. They feel the price they will pay either way is worth it to get on the show. That may change after they experience it - but hey: they put themselves in that position.

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4609494)

I judge by what I see, on the H.L show, which is all I can do. If I see Faye mentioning Aaron's son to justify her childishness, I judge her to be out of order, if I see Jay and Mark w***ing off in the bedroom, I judge them to be t*ssers, in every way, if I see Harry lose it because he was the only one called into the diary room after some messing about that went to far, I judge him to be justified.....................................

Originally Posted by Deanjam (Post 4609181)

It isn't about how old she is. She has an emotional immaturity. I know teenagers who are very responsible and grounded. I also know people in their 50's who are the biggest kids you'll ever see.

The house may appear an easy life compared to real life, but contestants continually come out of there saying how small things were made to seem huge due to the compressed social environment they are living in. Also , by removing all responsibility from the contestants, the show encourages them to revert to a more childish mind-set. It's no surprise to see people over-reacting all the time.

Even more level-headed contestants like Harry occasionally get caught up in it.

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4609578)

When entering the house do they open up themselves to public opinion? Yes. Should it be a judgment per say? No. Why? Because we don't know every minute detail of their being.
Do the public have a right to form opinions of the housemates based on what is being presented? Yes. But I don't necessarily think it's a judgement. I think that's the wrong term. I think when you base an opinion, on a rocky foundation, ie not having all the facts, then that's a judgement but if it's displayed plain as day then it's not. I could be talking s***, I could've completely lost the plot on what the definition of judgement is as, I probably am and I probably have because at this point I've gotten so lost in this conversation I have no idea what the point is anymore.

I think people need to watch the way they 'judge' a person or a situation because 1. they do it in a distasteful manner that is highly uncalled for and 2. the same situation can be or could've happened in their life so yes, the 'glass house' saying does apply, in my opinion.






Like I said, I don't think 'judge' is the right word so you missed my point and I also don't think Faye mentioned Aaron's son as a way to justify her childishness. She did it out of anger, in my opinion.

And it was Jay who lost it not Harry, Harry went in the diary room to apologise about how he reacted, from what I saw.

I just personally think, which may very well be wrong, if you know the facts, or events and circumstances are presented plain as day in front of you, then that's not necessarily a judgement. It's a matter of like and dislike, forming an opinion based on the facts. If you don't understand me then whatever cause this conversation has gone way beyond what the topic of this thread is actually about.

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4609578)

When entering the house do they open up themselves to public opinion? Yes. Should it be a judgment per say? No. Why? Because we don't know every minute detail of their being.
Do the public have a right to form opinions of the housemates based on what is being presented? Yes. But I don't necessarily think it's a judgement. I think that's the wrong term. I think when you base an opinion, on a rocky foundation, ie not having all the facts, then that's a judgement but if it's displayed plain as day then it's not. I could be talking s***, I could've completely lost the plot on what the definition of judgement is as, I probably am and I probably have because at this point I've gotten so lost in this conversation I have no idea what the point is anymore.

I think people need to watch the way they 'judge' a person or a situation because 1. they do it in a distasteful manner that is highly uncalled for and 2. the same situation can be or could've happened in their life so yes, the 'glass house' saying does apply, in my opinion.






Like I said, I don't think 'judge' is the right word so you missed my point and I also don't think Faye mentioned Aaron's son as a way to justify her childishness. She did it out of anger, in my opinion.

And it was Jay who lost it not Harry, Harry went in the diary room to apologise about how he reacted, from what I saw.

I just personally think, which may very well be wrong, if you know the facts, or events and circumstances are presented plain as day in front of you, then that's not necessarily a judgement. It's a matter of like and dislike, forming an opinion based on the facts. If you don't understand me then whatever cause this conversation has gone way beyond what the topic of this thread is actually about.

Originally Posted by fitz2k2 (Post 4609690)

wrestlers dont cry oh wait nvm haha

Originally Posted by SaphLiike (Post 4609707)

20?!?! ..someone needs to stock up on their Olay ...:suspect:

Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 4609617)

Oh its ok if its Jedward though...

Originally Posted by fitz2k2 (Post 4609690)

wrestlers dont cry oh wait nvm haha

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4609680)

By that definition of judgement, I would have thought there is no rockier foundation than a H.L show, where our viewing has been selected. I judge what I see, not what might be....................

As you say, your opinion, mine is they were spiteful words, used to bite back at Aaron for kissing Maisy, punishment he did not deserve, imo, of course.

It was definately Harry who lost his temper over the bed tampering/water/ketchup/beans-gate, not my opinion, fact

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4609593)

completely disagree with everything you've said.

It's not up to you to advise or suggest how people perceive the housemates, and to what level and whether it is correct to judge them or not.

I'm happy to judge on what I hear and see. Was even happier doing so when we had live feed.

Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 4609534)

Mentally unstable more like.:devil:

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4611256)

Yea he did lose his temper but he wasn't called into the diary room to fix things wasn't that Jay like a week or two ago when they went crazy in the bedroom and put the mattress in pool? Harry just went into the diary room to cool off as far as I thought.

And I agree with you, they were spiteful words, said out of anger. If you read carefully you would see that I said that. Was it right to say? In that tone, at that moment possibly not but it's true, to an extent, that he should keep in mind how his son, most importantly, will perceive his bed hopping because I personally believe no child should witness their father kissing two girls & a boy in the space of a week and a bit.




And that's fine. It's the way the world works. We can't all be the same. And I would just like to point out that I was not advising or suggesting to anyone who they should perceive housemates. Like you, I was just stating my view on the whole situation. I'm not gonna change your mind anymore then you can change mine.

And I personally don't think anyone has the right to judge because a lot of s*** happens in life and everyone makes mistake and everyone has skeletons in their closest, but unfortunately it's human nature.