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Novo 14-10-2011 11:28 AM

Does Alex Justify being the Odds on favourite to win?
 
What do you think? at the minute she is 8/11 to win but what has she actually done to justify that price?

Benjamin 14-10-2011 11:31 AM

Yes. No offence to the Aaron fans but his r/ship with Faye is rather dull, and despite all the drama between everyone, without Alex the show would lack serious fun and light-heartedness, so would become just very miserable and depressing.

Also she is a team player, tries her hardest to pass tasks even if it humiliates her (like the 'Yes' task), doesn't sabotage them which must be frustrating for BB and viewers (like the Save and Rescue task, I would have liked to see 2/3 housemtaes survive the night in the room) and brings the whole house back together.

chuff me dizzy 14-10-2011 11:32 AM

She the only one who made me actually cry with laughing in the tan task ,so for that alone she should win ,she doesnt backstab, bitch or follow like a sheep I really like her

Black Dagger 14-10-2011 11:32 AM

I loved her spray-tan segment, and think she is wonderful, nice and genuine.

But she hasn't done much, rather her than Anton, Jay or Aden though.

Kate! 14-10-2011 11:33 AM

Yes, she's a breath of fresh air, and very sweet. There are a few I would be happy to see win, Alex is definitely up there with the best of them.

Alex, Aaron, Harry or Faye please :D

Sophiee 14-10-2011 11:35 AM

I think so, I've enjoyed watching her throughout the show, she likes to have fun and seems like a lovely genuine girl. I'd be satisfied with her or aaron winning.

Novo 14-10-2011 11:38 AM

I don't think she has at all and the price is being very kind to her.. a lot of people only seem to remember the spray tan thing and don't note any other things she has done in the house.. she sits on the fence way to much and lets tom do all her arguing for her ( like yesterday with Harry ) she just sat there looking gormless whilst tom and Harry argued over him throwing water at her.. the only time she ever gets shown on the highlight shows is when she is with Tom so it makes you wonder what she actually does without him there? I don't like Anton, Jay or Aden but at least the whole Wolfpack thing v Aaron/Faye/Harry has been great TV and hasn't got boring one bit

Benjamin 14-10-2011 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Novo (Post 4650385)
I don't think she has at all and the price is being very kind to her.. a lot of people only seem to remember the spray tan thing and don't note any other things she has done in the house.. she sits on the fence way to much and lets tom do all her arguing for her ( like yesterday with Harry ) she just sat there looking gormless whilst tom and Harry argued over him throwing water at her.. the only time she ever gets shown on the highlight shows is when she is with Tom so it makes you wonder what she actually does without him there? I don't like Anton, Jay or Aden but at least the whole Wolfpack thing v Aaron/Faye/Harry has been great TV and hasn't got boring one bit

See for me the arguing has got boring. It's not fun anymore in that house most of the time, just petty bickering and sabotaging what could be some amazing tasks that give them something to do.

For that reason Alex is by far the worthiest one in there, she's enjoying the once in a lifetime experience and not fixated on having a fauxmance or causing drama.

Chuck 14-10-2011 11:44 AM

Her behaviour in the house isn't the only reason why she's such a favourite to win.

The majority of Aaron fans hate Jay and vice-versa, which means they aren't going to receive a considerable amount of "second option" votes.

Besides being lovely and genuine, she hasn't offended many people and will most certainly receive many "second option" votes. The key to win Big Brother isn't having the biggest fanbase, because if your fanbase represents less than 50% of public preference, you're going to need votes from all the other fanbases. If you're controversial and marmite like Jay and Aaron who are her biggest threats you're probably not gonna get as many votes as someone who hasn't offended the public that much. Big Brother isn't only about popularity but also about rejection.

And it's very probable she will never face the public vote before the final.

Benjamin 14-10-2011 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by chuck.pass (Post 4650399)
Her behaviour in the house isn't the only reason why she's such a favourite to win.

The majority of Aaron fans hate Jay and vice-versa, which means they aren't going to receive a considerable amount of "second option" votes.

Besides being lovely and genuine, she hasn't offended many people and will most certainly receive many "second option" votes. The key to win Big Brother isn't having the biggest fanbase, because if your fanbase represents less than 50% of public preference, you're going to need votes from all the other fanbases. If you're controversial and marmite like Jay and Aaron who are her biggest threats you're probably not gonna get as many votes as someone who hasn't offended the public that much. Big Brother isn't only about popularity but also about rejection.

And it's very probable she will never face the public vote before the final.

Most viewers overlook that but what you have said in that post is very true.

Novo 14-10-2011 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ukturtle (Post 4650391)
See for me the arguing has got boring. It's not fun anymore in that house most of the time, just petty bickering and sabotaging what could be some amazing tasks that give them something to do.

For that reason Alex is by far the worthiest one in there, she's enjoying the once in a lifetime experience and not fixated on having a fauxmance or causing drama.

This is what i really don't get at all? Arguments & Drama = Good Viewing & Ratings.. i don't know why people would want to watch a house with people who just want to be nice to each other all day and in some way play up on it more then others.. for me the sabotaging and Wolfpac v Purple Koalas has stood out a lot lot more then anything Alex has done in there so far i don't watch Big Brother to see people sitting on the fence for 9 weeks

Benjamin 14-10-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Novo (Post 4650402)
This is what i really don't get at all? Arguments & Drama = Good Viewing & Ratings.. i don't know why people would want to watch a house with people who just want to be nice to each other all day and in some way play up on it more then others.. for me the sabotaging and Wolfpac v Purple Koalas has stood out a lot lot more then anything Alex has done in there so far i don't watch Big Brother to see people sitting on the fence for 9 weeks

Some arguments and drama is entertaining, too many becomes boring and sucks the fun out of BB, and BB is meant to be about fun in my mind.

Novo 14-10-2011 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ukturtle (Post 4650404)
Some arguments and drama is entertaining, too many becomes boring and sucks the fun out of BB, and BB is meant to be about fun in my mind.

If it was suppose to be fun it would be on CBBC at 4pm and not Channel 5 at 10pm

the Anton v Aaron thing this year has been the greatest thing about this Big Brother

Chuck 14-10-2011 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukturtle (Post 4650404)
Some arguments and drama is entertaining, too many becomes boring and sucks the fun out of BB, and BB is meant to be about fun in my mind.

Exactly, some of the arguments are entertaining. I usually support controversial housemates such as Marcus and Charley, but so far I have been much more entertained by Alex's sense of humour than unnecessary drama.

mizzy25 14-10-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chuck.pass (Post 4650414)
Exactly, some of the arguments are entertaining. I usually support controversial housemates such as Marcus and Charley, but so far I have been much more entertained by Alex's sense of humour than unnecessary drama.

totally agree with this. alex is just there 4 the experience and probably isnt even thinkin about wining which is wot the likes of Aaron and faye r doing. i reckon if she heard alex to in chants she wud b wondering wtf is goin on?

vesavius 14-10-2011 11:58 AM

Of course she has 'justified' it. By the rules of the game she 'justifies' it.

People like her enough, based on shown behaviour, to vote her to win and thats the only victory condition of winning BB.

The rest is just froth. We might like to watch the others in their dramas, especially the viles, but they arn't doing anything to 'justify' their place or be more 'deserving' when the ONLY requirement of being in front is voter popularity.



You don't turn up to a marathon race in a giant dinosaur costume juggling balls if you want to lead the pack. You turn up with as little as possible and just do what you do best.

BB is a popularity contest, nothing more, nothing less. She will win it by being popular.

dizzy bint 14-10-2011 11:58 AM

In my opinion her odds to win with the bookies don't necessarily reflect her popularity but more that she is the type of housemate that will win.

Novo 14-10-2011 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mizzy25 (Post 4650428)
totally agree with this. alex is just there 4 the experience and probably isnt even thinkin about wining which is wot the likes of Aaron and faye r doing. i reckon if she heard alex to in chants she wud b wondering wtf is goin on?

She would be thinking " My plan is starting to win all i have to do is sit on the fence some more and not be entertaining one bit and i'll have this in the bag! "

Benjamin 14-10-2011 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Novo (Post 4650409)
If it was suppose to be fun it would be on CBBC at 4pm and not Channel 5 at 10pm

the Anton v Aaron thing this year has been the greatest thing about this Big Brother

Look I have watched BB from the very start. I like my bitch/bastard housemates like Makosi, Grace, Science, Victor etc. But I can also appreciate the softer and funnier ones too.

This year Aaron started off strong but really doesn't have much else to offer and I have grown very bored of him in a short space of time. The first few dramas were funny but now they are growing stale and repetitive.

Novo 14-10-2011 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4650430)
Of course she has 'justified' it. By the rules of the game she 'justifies' it.

People like her enough, based on shown behaviour, to vote her to win and thats the only victory condition of winning BB.

The rest is just froth. We might like to watch the others in their dramas, especially the viles, but they arn't doing anything to 'justify' their place or be more 'deserving' when the ONLY requirement of being in front is voter popularity.



You don't turn up to a marathon race in a giant dinosaur costume juggling balls if you want to lead the pack. You turn up with as little as possible and just do what you do best.

that is basically like saying she has nothing about her then and is just boring, stale and normal?

vesavius 14-10-2011 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Novo (Post 4650444)
that is basically like saying she has nothing about her then and is just boring, stale and normal?

You can twist what I posted any way you like in an effort to fit your agenda, thats fine. Nice how you focused on that tiny bit though, ignoring the wider point being made, but whatever.


But no, it was meant to say she has turned up as herself, with no bells and whistles, and relied on her personality to do the winning.

No artificial showmances, no BB given 'stories', no arguments, and no being nasty to others.

Just Alex being lovely.

It seems the voting public LIKE her, and in a popularity contest thats all thats needed to be 'justified' to be in front.

Novo 14-10-2011 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ukturtle (Post 4650434)
Look I have watched BB from the very start. I like my bitch/bastard housemates like Makosi, Grace, Science, Victor etc. But I can also appreciate the softer and funnier ones too.

This year Aaron started off strong but really doesn't have much else to offer and I have grown very bored of him in a short space of time. The first few dramas were funny but now they are growing stale and repetitive.

Well i just think with the characters in the house this year Alex shouldn't even be a contender to win it.. even past housemates that have been evicted left a bigger mark that Alex has so far.. far enough you think she is genuine and nice so is my Nan but i wouldn't watch her in a house for 9 weeks there are housemates in there who have brought to much to this big brother and Alex is not one of them

MTVN 14-10-2011 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ukturtle (Post 4650404)
Some arguments and drama is entertaining, too many becomes boring and sucks the fun out of BB, and BB is meant to be about fun in my mind.

Yeah there should be a balance I think, it's good to have some drama in there but if everyone's just having a s**t time and noone's enjoying themselves or having a laugh then it can just get depressing

Novo 14-10-2011 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4650461)
You can twist what I posted any way you like in an effort to fit your agenda, thats fine. Nice how you focused on that tiny bit though, ignoring the wider point being made, but whatever.


But no, it was meant to say she has turned up as herself, with no bells and whistles, and relied on her personality to do the winning.

No artificial showmances, no BB given 'stories', no arguments, and no being nasty to others.

Just Alex being lovely.

It seems the voting public LIKE her, and in a popularity contest thats all thats needed to be 'justified' to be in front.

The way you said it told me everything.. " You turn up with as little as possible " and it is funny that people think Alex is being herself but accuse other housemates of not being themselves when they get into relationships

Does this seem like the Alex in the house to you?



Not a chance.

vesavius 14-10-2011 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Novo (Post 4650464)
Well i just think with the characters in the house this year Alex shouldn't even be a contender to win it.


Then vote for who you DO want to be a contender.

Thats how it works. You get to express this opinion of yours through the vote system.





Right now though you are badly outnumbered in your opinion of her. The majority want her to win.

In a popularity contest, she is the most popular right now, and that's that. Position 'justified'.

Novo 14-10-2011 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4650473)
Then vote for who you DO want to be a contender.

Thats how it works. You get to express this opinion of yours through the vote system.





Right now though you are badly outnumbered in your opinion of her. The majority want her to win.

In a popularity contest, she is the most popular right now, and that's that. Position 'justified'.

That does not mean it is justified at all.. Cameron won BB4 and Rachel won BB9 but neither of them were justifed winners hence why they are considered the worst winners of big brother UK

vesavius 14-10-2011 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Novo (Post 4650472)
The way you said it told me everything.. "

Oh please, you are focusing on a tiny piece of what I said and twisting it to suit your own views. You obviously have a set in stone agenda here and the point isnt discussion.

I have explained what I meant by what I typed, but you continue to bang on as if nothing has been said, either unable or unwilling to comprehend.

You obviously will think what you want to think with nothing anyone says making a dent.

Novo 14-10-2011 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4650483)
Oh please, you are focusing on a tiny piece of what I said and twisting it to suit your own views. You obviously have a set in stone agenda here and the point isnt discussion.

I have explained what I meant by what I typed, but you continue to bang on as if nothing has been said, either unable or unwilling to comprehend.

You obviously will think what you want to think with nothing anyone says making a dent, so I will bow out from this thread now and stop feeding you.

You basically admitted she is boring and you can't get away from that your probably just embarrassed about it at the minute being an Alex fan and admitting it but unlucky and i hope you get over it soon

vesavius 14-10-2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Novo (Post 4650479)
That does not mean it is justified at all.. Cameron won BB4 and Rachel won BB9 but neither of them were justifed winners hence why they are considered the worst winners of big brother UK


But they won.

Therefore they were justified, no matter your personal opinion of them.

You might not think so, but you should have voted harder I guess.

Novo 14-10-2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4650489)
But they won.

Therefore they were justified, no matter your personal opinion of them.

You might not think so, but you should have voted harder I guess.

Argentina beat England in 1986 thanks to a Maradonna handball but since they won i guess it was Justified :thumbs:

Visage 14-10-2011 12:27 PM

No offence to the girl but for me it's a no!

She has made me laugh and I have loved her conversations with Harry & Aaron, but sadly that is it.

I see nothing in her other than she's good for around 10 minutes of the highlights every night and ten minutes isn't no where near enough for me to think she deserves to be at the top half way through the show.

It's fine to play 'hide the banana' or 'find the coloured sock' but that's just not enough.

vesavius 14-10-2011 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Novo (Post 4650487)
You basically admitted she is boring and you can't get away from that your probably just embarrassed... /snip

oh grow up. Your just trying to troll me now.

Stop with that 'your basically saying..' BS as well. It's just your way of twisting what people say into something your want them to be saying. Respond to what people actually say, not what you need them to be saying. Anything else is dishonest and weak and shows you havent got a point that can stand on it's own.

Look, I have explained it to you, in the same way a parent might explain to a stubborn or just plain stupid child, but you obviously don't want to (or can't) understand the point being made so I will leave you to it now.

This is me bascially saying, btw, your a pointless little internet troll and I can't be arsed with you any longer. Just so we are clear.

Novo 14-10-2011 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4650503)
oh grow up. Your just trying to troll me now.

Stop with that 'your basically saying..' BS as well. It's just your way of twisting what people say into something your want them to be saying. Respond to what people actually say, anything else is dishonest and weak.

Look, I have explained it to you, in the same way a parent might explain to a stubborn or just plain stupid child, but you obviously don't want to (or can't) understand the point being made so I will leave you to it now.

This is me bascially saying, btw, your a pointless little internet troll and I can't be arsed with you any longer. Just so we are clear.

I was responding to what you said i was responding to the " You turn up with as little as possible and just do what you do best. " which to me sounds like you were admitting she doesn't has much to offer so she may as well be all nice and win that way which to be sounds like a bore.. don't get into a strop and start crying because because someone is replying to you

Samuel. 14-10-2011 12:35 PM

Not at all. I like Alex, but she hasn't really done a whole lot. She's not a great housemate.

robb 14-10-2011 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Novo (Post 4650409)
If it was suppose to be fun it would be on CBBC at 4pm and not Channel 5 at 10pm

the Anton v Aaron thing this year has been the greatest thing about this Big Brother

Which says how mediocre this series has been overall. Too many easy tasks, too many easy evictions. I vote Alex, just to stop any of the others in there winning. Most of them are either in a gang or boring or both. And that leaves Alex (funny) and Tom....enough said!!

rsefitpro2011 14-10-2011 12:50 PM

Shes a nice and genuine person and probably the least offensive of all the housemates, however other than that she hasn't really done alot, to warrant winning!

That said, some other BB winners never did alot and won!it seems thats what the public vote for!

She will win, no question but i dont think she deserves to!

saiwong 14-10-2011 01:37 PM

Although Alex seems to be a popular choice as winner, I agree with the
previous poster that Alex really has not done much to warrant the win.

Although I enjoyed the spray-tan task, Alex really hasn't had that much
air-time and not done much to affect the house. She is "under the radar"
most of the time.

Louise, although very beautiful was also "under the radar" for the first few weeks and I agree with others that she was a dull character. But in the last
few days we have seen more from Louise and IMHO has overtaken Alex
towards the winning post.

I don't think either of the will win. I think someone like Aaron should win
since he has done more for the show. But this is my own opinion.

Paddy won Celebrity Big Brother, but really did nothing (just like Alex)
so who knows how the British public will vote.

fruit_cake 14-10-2011 01:42 PM

she's done absolutely nothing to justify winning for me, she's played safe the whole way never offending anyone. I suppose you might like the colour she adds to the house, but for me that's not enough.

jet 14-10-2011 01:48 PM

Alex is very sweet and she makes me laugh. She has had some classic moments. I like the drama and arguments too but when it comes to the winner I want a genuine, nice person to get the money - not some argumentative, manipulating dickhead. Past BB winners have all been fairly genuine, nice people, so I guess most viewers feel that way.

Jordan. 14-10-2011 02:19 PM

No not really. I'm fed up of reading stuff like "she's so nice and sweet and genuine she deserves it x" **** off being nice is not a worthy reason to win. All the storylines this series have been made by Aaron, Harry, Jay and Anton (also Rebeckah & Heaven when they were in there). Alex is just an extra thrown into the hl show once in a while for a cheap laugh.


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