This questionable change in Jay
 

It has not been aired yet...and....I for one cannot see the link someone posted. But seemingly, it shows Jay supporting Aaron and giving him a staunch shoulder to lean on during the recent drama..

My own personal view is one of suspicion. I cannot truly believe he would have taken this stance if certain members of the wolfpack were still around. Either way, Jay comes across as being weak minded to me ...and follows..like a bleating sheep....just to suit the situation or circumstances.

What are your views on this turnaround of events surrounding Jay's so called loyalty to Aaron? Do you feel it is genuine...or....given the fact that he no longer has his henchmen behind him it is simply down to him having nowhere left to turn other than to appear as though he genuinely cares.?

Jay is scared to get nommed and now is he looking for support to nom Aaron and Faye next week.Sneaky treacherous waggot

I'd like to see the conversation tbh...It was interesting in the crypt when he and Anton assumed they'd be 'legends'..well he's certainly found out Anton wasn't such a legend (at least not in the way they assumed) and he got a few boos with the cheers himself last week....maybe he's sticking by the 'chosen one' as he sees it as a straight run to the finals....

He heard some boos & found out hes not so popular by the voting stats & changed by all of a sudden liking Aaron & Harry

He's looking after number one, simple as that.

Jay has said before that he thought Aaron was ok but just didnt get him sometimes and he said the same again when talking to Aaron in the garden.

I dont think Jay wants Aaron to walk whatever his thoughts on Aaron are.

Is it really that unthinkable that Jay was just being supportive? He was to Mark even though he wasn't in the Wolfpack, and him and Aaron aren't as big enemies as people seem to think, they've had fallings out but at times they've got along well, all the more so in the last couple of weeks

Whatever the reason atleast Aaron had someone to talk him round.

Now that the Wolfpack have gone he is changing his game, he also knows Aaron gets the most air time (all Aaron has to do is blink and it's on the HL, providing he blinks in a sulky non-happy manner). By being seen to being nice to Aaron Jay is picking up his brownie points.

BUT I NEVER FORGET. JAY REFERRED TO AARON AS 'THAT' TO FAYE

You guys are pathetic lol. Maybe it's cause they've made up and they were having a decent conversation and Jay was trying to be a nice guy (cause he is a nice guy in general). Why does every conversation have to be serious game play. Come on.

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Yeah, people are just looking for some kind of ulterior motive when there isn't any, because they can't stand the thought that Jay might actually have been nice to someone :o

i think jay is working on big brothers behalf. once against aaron not try to prevent him leaving

Jay isn't bad as people make out. I'm no fan, but he was probably just being a nice guy.

..I read this as changing his name..... to Jay Allard Morgan:amazed:

Jay is obviously changing his gameplan since his allies were booted & booed out & all of them lost to the likes of Jem.

well in Aarons case some people think it is(a serious game play) I agree some people can just be nice guys,but am scepical with jay,but we'll see

Yet most Aaron fans are saying the boys are deserting Aaron after the family noms because they don't think he's popular any more. Good Lord. lol.

If you actualy look at how many of the HM's have acted toward Jay upto the point where everything got massivly childish (On BOTH sides) before anton left... Jay was quite obviously the main one they looked too for support.

This isn't new for Jay, not a change in his behaviour at all, just a return to normal. If anything it is a change in the behaviour of Aaron.... reaching for support? Or just drawing Jay in?

If you actualy look at how many of the HM's have acted toward Jay upto the point where everything got massivly childish (On BOTH sides) before anton left... Jay was quite obviously the main one they looked too for support.

This isn't new for Jay, not a change in his behaviour at all, just a return to normal. If anything it is a change in the behaviour of Aaron.... reaching for support? Or just drawing Jay in?

Yeah that's true, Jay had been trying to make amends with Aaron for days after the whole food and ketchup incident but Aaron was completely blanking him, with most of the forum saying how he was right to do so. Now we have them actually getting on and suddenly Jay is being sly and playing a game?

I agree. He seems like a big softie at heart. I find him vulgar and even though I'm not an Aaron fan I warmed to Jay when he was chatting to Aaron and trying to get him to stay in the house. I was going 'NO JAY NO' but he clearly felt for Aaron and was trying to help. He seems as straightforward as they come. I can't see any sides to him really.

Of course Aaron blanked him after Jay lied to his face for an hour pushing the blame onto other HMs. What a vile person

That in itself is true - given the fact that Aaron is no push over,and although may have appreciated the support given, he isn't likely to forget where it is coming from. I am looking forward to the highlights and hope to comment more tommorow. But regardless of what was said...or how it was said...I still stand by the fact that it is very questionable whether there would have been support from Jay had Anton's formidable presence still been looming. There are sheep and there are leaders -Jay has not proven himself to be a Shark - he is definately a haddock :)

I much prefer him to the awful Jem.

If Jay is such as nice guy why did he

1. Lie about what he said about Harry to deliberately prevent him getting letter
2. Not tell Heaven about Rebeckah's involvement in choc gate
3. Lie about putting food dye in Harry's clothes
4. Try and get Aaron to laugh at his racist joke so Aaron would get some blame
5. Pretend that Aaron caused the divisions in the house when it was HE who created the Wolfpack (not even Anton did)
6. Cry when Mark walked despite the fact he nominated him because he was with rival Aaron

Kind of a difficult one. They never spoke much to each other before, Aaron blanked Jay over the 'wheelchair' thing and made it obvious that he wanted nowt to do with him from then on. Jay no longer has his wolfpack, and Aaron is I guess unable to confide in Faye his at the moment. Seems jay has initiated this conversation of support.

Jay could get brownie points from this, however as a 'game 'he would benefit if Aaron did walk. so why give advice?

Because Aaron walking really is irrelevant to Jay's revised plan right now. Jay's less popular than 2 week Jem and Faye so he needs to boost his popularity and standing with the public before he can tackle Fay let alone Aaron :joker: Jay realises that despite the cheers from tweenie girls he needs to broaden his appeal. Being seen to be supportive to a rival will get him the 'OHHH JAY'S so sweet' support. But I'll know he's really a vile to*sser.

Wait... so being a nice is black and white? you are either nice 100% of the time or you aren't nice? Anyways, I love challenges to i'd try to answer your question!

[*]Lie about what he said about Harry to deliberately prevent him getting letter
// Did he flat out say "I lied so harry wouldn't get his letter"? If so point me to the episode cause i'd love to see that. Very mean if so.
[*]Not tell Heaven about Rebeckah's involvement in choc gate
//He was trying to be loyal to rebeckah and was put on the spot in front of rebeckah? Not a good example of not being a nice guy.
[*]Lie about putting food dye in Harry's clothes
// cause he realized that what he thought was a joke turned into something the whole house was mad about and he didn't want to fess up like man. Nice guys can play pranks too ;P
[*]Try and get Aaron to laugh at his racist joke so Aaron would get some blame
// Comedy's are full of jokes like that. He shared it with Aaron cause he didn't understand the big deal. There's no basis for your claim he was trying to give aaron some blame.
[*]Pretend that Aaron caused the divisions in the house when it was HE who created the Wolfpack (not even Anton did)
//bad example of him not being a nice guy. Aaron "couldn't be bothered" with Jay/Anton/Aden cause of how they acted and ignored them flat out for days. It's a pretty obvious observation by Jay that Aaron was causing division in the house by acting like that. His opinion doesn't make him a bad guy.
[*]Cry when Mark walked despite the fact he nominated him because he was with rival Aaron
Crying makes him not nice? Nominated someone in a game makes him not nice?


You can be nice and still do stupid crude **** :P

It is possible that Jay has not even thought it out to that level. He would, naturally, be more concerned with how he comes across; thus, whatever happens to Aaron is of no consequence to him; at least not at this stage. Jay has, without doubt, an over-blown opinion of himself, even stating he presumed himself in the final. He still probably assumes that he can win, but is concentrating on securing his position by attempting to come across well. Far too late for that in my humble opinion.

Yeah I think you've covered it pretty well there, a lot of those points were baseless suspicions anyway, I think that few people would think Jay was deliberately lying in the letters task to stop Harry getting his. They're all human and it's perfectly feasible that he could have forgotten what he'd said, just as Anton couldn't remember either, and just as Aaron wasn't sure if it was him who'd said "Faye was more attractive than Jem"