What may of made Mummy Palmer see Red
 

Evidence 1
If you cast your mind back to the letters from home task in which Aaron was upset because of the Frosties fight the night before, he had a conversation with Faye in the bathroom.

He pointed out that she had been friendly with Louise since the stranded task, even though he had
taken the brunt of the blame for walking out of the Stranded task.

This sounded like Aaron guilt tripping Faye to me, and if i was mummy i'd be furious



Evidence 2
Aaron went on to say I do like Faye, to which Harry replied that's what worries me.

If i'd of heard this as a parent i'd of been jumping around with anger.

Can we see a Mums eye view here?

It might look like guilt tripping to you,to me it looked like he was telling the truth,she did say she didn't like Louise and then backtracked,faye does this a lot

Point 1. He was being honest in telling Faye that was one of the reasons he felt he couldn't trust people - inc her, and gave her an example why - becuase all of a sudden, having had weeks having nothing to do with Louise, suddenly she's all over her like a rash.

Looks like Mother dearest has taught her daughters well - ie; to go off their rocker when they hear some home truths.

Point 2.
Why shouldn't Aaron not want to come out and have his BB experience being spoken about with it all being about him and Faye. He knows what it's like - and he's right. for weeks, the two of them didn't spend tiem together during the day: somethign else Faye moaned like a bitch about btw.

the attention to detail comment could, for all we know, be referring to BB's portrayal of Aaron/Faye etc: we don't know the full story behind that convo ... we do know however that BB has a habit of snipping convos, adding parts of disjointed convos together: to make up a complete falsehood.

Thanks, that first explanation makes a lot of sense to me.

So are you suggesting the Attention to detail comment from Harry was Harry's view of how BB may be editing Arron & Faye?

or that every word a Hm has ever said in this years BB can be dismissed as a Bad Edit.

yep, that's what I am saying: we don't know what was said, in what context - no where close to it. And yep, that may (or may not) apply to every other type of edit - bad or good, regardless of housemate. (the prime example being not one hm ever mentioning Jay putting his crap in the freezer - until Aaron referred to it subtly in the diary room). such an incident happens and there is not one utter word, not a sentence by a full house of hms regarding the incident, nor in having the freezer removed, or discussing what happened to the contents, if BB refilled it with the same foodstuff that had to be destroyed.....not a single word was uttered. That's the converse side: ie a good edit.

We do! we know full well what was said, the question is was there something missing that would redefine the meaning of the conversation. Given the edits this year it's possible there may have been but you still have to explain Harry's line "Attention to detail is unreal" this referred to the way BB has been editing the show makes no sense.


Anyhow i don't think were going to get anywhere down that route so can you see Faye's Mums position here, if she had seen all the above can you see how mad she would be. Given that you think BB has been chopped up to have a go at Aaron?

I don't think the mother's position is anything other than a controlling woman who has some issues with one of her daughters possibly being happier away from her, and is spending time with a man who respects her, rather than treating her the way her very own sister does.

I have my opinion, you asked me to explain. I did. You don't agree. That's it really.

How would Harry know how the show is edited?

Talk about grasping at straws!!!:hugesmile:

That's my point, badly worded though. This being why it makes no sense to say he was referring to the way the Hm's were being edited.

I can only think he meant Aarons relationship with Faye as he ends up referring to Faye.

Some dispute that on the basis that they don't trust the conversation happened in that order or that parts were taken out to give a false meaning, so BB could "Get Aaron" again.

NO,any thread in any way that even remotely fingers Aaron will not be seen in any view.

Ok then, Harry wasn't referring to Faye when he said to Aaron

"The whole relationship thing, the attention to detail is unreal"

How do you like my straw grasping? :joker:

You need new straws. Those ones aren't working too well. Mabye you've squished them to death !!

Clarification please and yes i did watch the show? :wink:

I didn't ask if you watched the show. I'm not particularly interested if you watch all, little or none - makes no difference to me.

If I need to clarify the straws, let me put it to you that sometimes, defending the indefensible isn't always the best choice -simply because there is such little substance. It's your choice, and you have your own view, which as much as I may respect you for sticking to your guns, I totally disagree with you.

No comment will do thanks.

lets face it.... in the end only the housemates know the full truth.... us watching will never get to know EXACTLY what happens or what is said in or out of context

I think if there was LF the edits in the main show would be holdable to account.

At the moment the Editing Team are to powerful and if you've ever watched Bots then you'll of seen the team, they are muppets of the highest order.

You asked for clarification, I provided you with it. :)

The housemates didn't know what her mum was talking about and we, (the viewers) don't know what she's talking about and we've seen exactly the same footage as she has.

It looks to me like Jem's just got all spiteful because she usually gets her own way and because Aaron hasn't let her have her own way she's making stuff up and swearing to Faye that 'stuff' has happened which (ever so conveniently for her) she can't talk about.

It was nice to see Faye/Jem's mum being told what the viewers think of her daughter and her huge biased opinions on BBBOTS. Stupid, spiteful bint!!!!

To an extent yes, but you do see a lot of extra footage on the net though so you could say Tibb members get to see more of what's going on.

Also there were 5 voters nominating for Aaron tonight, all giving similar reasons, are they all spiteful bints? or is there another explanation.

One explanation is Aaron is using Faye
Another explanation is BB is Editing him to look bad.

I don't blame Faye's mum here.

The other explanation is the production team telling them who to vote for and what to say.

As they say up here in Glasgow, "I smell sh!te".

Not for me, far to risky, and would be against the law i'd guess.

Makes a great Theory though to add to the rest.

The blowing hot and cold, screwing with her emotions causing her to over-react and look bad, the fact he is so OBVIOUSLY playing a game with her.... which started with Tom, upgraded to Faye, tried to upgrade to maisy but aaron found she wasn't as vulnerable to his manipulation as he found faye was so he bounced back to her

Plenty for a parent to distrust and dispise when they see such a predator reeling in their daughter!

I know I'd react similarly if it was my son in there being treated like that by some femme-fatale (He's only slightly younger than Faye is!), I'd be voting the bitch out, just like faye's mum voted against aaron and for similar reasons.

From somewhere else. I agree with this post 100%. This is how a good parent would think IMO :)

That makes sense yes, When your Son or Daughter is not in a house and the Mother is watching the House, and maybe feels they have seen things the kid hasn't.

You know as well as the rest how the editing has gone this year, hard not to see Faye's Mum, not being influenced by it.

Under them circumstances should she get involved? maybe a fairer question is could she stop yourself.

Honestly, I believe she is worried about her daughter. Faye is still young and a little naive to the world and of course her mum would be worried about her just like I'm sure many of your mums would be about you in a similar situation.

I learned of Jay's frozen turd antic from Heaven when she was evicted! ...not from Aaron? :conf:

I did too, but the first time we heard any housemate (not ex-housemate) discussing it on the BB show....was Aaron.

..The thing is people can't say that Jem is an interferring cow and then say Ma Palmer is just a concerned mother because they're both coming from the same page..they're either both acting out of concern..or they're both trying to control Faye at the expense of, not only her experience in the house, but her happiness also.
I have imagined myself in this situation and no matter which way round I put it, I would never.......never.......do anything to cause Faye any upset while she was in the house...Ma Palmer had something to get off her chest and she didn't care who got hurt in the process.......

And yet you are very quick to condemn other HMs based on the same edits. :sleep:

I believe you will find that Aaron has done the exact same thing with Jay. But because everybody loves Aaron, nobody takes any notice

i think she should just butt out and let Faye decide for herself. I also think that Fayes tears are a little false! If she was going to enter into some kind of 'relationship' in there, whe should have gone with the flow, had a laugh and a good time and took it for what it was...and if it worked out later great......not keep bloody asking him all the time how he feels about her, does he like her family etc etc..stomping off when he didnt answer her after she was butting into the conversation and making him feel awful..(he did go after her)......thats the actions of a silly little girl playing at 'wanna be grown up in a relationship' and if she is a blood wrestler, i will eat my hat !!! get some balls girl and tell your sister that she has ruined what might have been and tell your mother to back off !!

Her criticism of him on Bots last night saying he'd told Rebeckah he likes her, then turning around and saying he hates her, is the sign of a deceptive man.

With that in mind it's not hard to see how her Mum & Gem could not feel they have an insight into Aaron that Faye does not.

Gem told Faye she thought he was playing a game, and thought it Possible he was messing with her(anything else?) in the convo in the bathroom that Jay & Aaron watched, this was his reason for not accepting her Olive Branch when she offered it, to me that is worthy of criticism, as if i was Aaron i would understand that Gem had heard me say im playing a game, relating it to Faye was her sisterly duty.

As for Mrs Palmers actions, how dare anyone tell a Mother how to treat her Daughter quite frankly.

I always understood this as banter between Harry and Aaron and as their sarcastic humour. It's funny how we understand the same thing in so many ways. I'm a very sarcastic person and as I've seen that side in Harry and Aaron, I assumed it being sarcasm. Many times my friends have trouble understanding when I'm joking and when I'm being serious as they don't see the difference. I always assumed that this was the case in their discussion (I mean from the audience's point of view). First they were being sarcastic and switched to being serious.

What we have here is

1. Edited Version of the conversation in the Hl Show
2. Less Edited version Online. (although with no Fb you don't get to see it)

Not so bad if the editing team are responsible in there editing of the Hl version(Fat Chance). I was told last night by a Tibb member that the Online version showed Aaron denying the insinuation's i felt he was making with the

"The whole relationship thing, the Attention to detail is unreal"

Line from the Hl version. Without hearing that denial i was left an impression that Aaron was in agreement. An impression that wasn't shifted till last night. After being told he had denied it.

Both Gem & her Mum, would of likely seen the same edited version as me, and likely drawn a similar conclusion from it. Certainly they are as Anti Aaron as i was. We have 2 versions of the same show going on & BB don't seem to give a damn about it, & If anyone needed a better excuse to throw into the faces of BB execs, when next year & LF are discussed then this twin Version approach is one.

It's been said many times BB are the ones to blame, and for me, Gem & her Mum may be victims of BB, at least in regards this conversation and examples similar.